are you truly anti-socialist?

i'm tired of listening to people contradicting themselves concerning this issue.
example, one buddy who is a militant christian type, constantly spends money on ammo and survival stuff to bury.
yet, while speaking with him this week, he admitted to going to a 'sliding scale' dental clinic.
after talking a bit i got him to admit he's using 'access' here in arizona to pay for a few medical issues.
on top of all this, he was recently laid off and is now collecting unemployment.
will also be signing up for food stamps.
he got really frustrated and left when i brought up the fact that he should be thankful for socialism.
just wouldn't hear any of it.
anyone else see the contradiction in this?

by the way, i have never asked for a thing. right now i could easily get food stamps and possibly other benefits, but there in not a chance.
if i can't eat and take care of my dog someone might as well just put a bullet in my head.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Should he be happy that the economy sucks and he went and got food stamps as a last resort?

Just trying to understand

reply to post by thehoneycomb


no, not at all.
but instead of paying for some help he needs he uses all his money to buy survival stuff.
he is bringing in money under the table, selling stuff at flea markets and on craigs list.
i should have mentioned that, sorry.
it's just that, i think his priorities are backwords right now.

reply to post by rubbertramp


I dont.

But then again, I don't collect food stamps or anything.

ETA: Is he in the state of AZ though? If he wanted he could go join the group down on the border and probably get paid. Although it is a messy situation mixed up with Border Control ran by DHS working side by side with militia groups.

Of course 9 times out of 10 the FEDS just let the illegals go in the end without deporting them, so it accomplishes absolutely nothing.

I'm not completely anti-socialist.

There are some aspects of it I do like.

Especially if it is truly like the Star Trek style of socialism.

And if it's a completely voluntary system, I'm not opposed to it.

But I do have a lot of misgivings, and it does have some strong weakness, so I much prefer a true representative republic.

But the problem is socialists try turn to the country they're in into a socialist system, rather than just let the country use different aspects of it. They can't seem to understand that in some countries people don't want it. It has been stigmatized by countries such as the former Soviet Union. They seem to think that people should ahve it no matter what.

And somehow they seem to think they're doing it for the greater good of the people.

Well, history has proven that the road to hell is paved with good intentions

reply to post by thehoneycomb


you wouldn't have a problem listening to someone preach about all the negativities social welfare, and then finding out he uses it himself?
to each his own, of course, i'd just like to hear him be thankful for the assistance he's receiving instead of just bitching about those who receive it.

He's a typical Republican. They all take government money and then try to keep everyone else from getting any.

Like that moron in my state running for land commissioner who wants to get rid of entitlements but then they found he received $100 grand in farm subsidies. Or that tea party guy in Alaska, or Romney, etc, etc, etc.

reply to post by rubbertramp


yeah that sucks for him. hopefully its a temporary adjustment for his sake I guess.

Somebody emailed a copy of a receipt for 4 lobster tails and 2 porterhouse steaks bought totaling over $150 with food stamps. I guess Id rather see people buying survival gear and guns and ammo then that.

Im a social democrat and more left than the NDP in Canada, and believe in no money, bartering, slavery, forced employment, and instead believe in complete equality, everyone has their home, land and food, energy, and BEAMSHIPS IN THEIR BACKYARD, and contributes if healthy what they wish, and retrains often if they wish, lke the higher up cosmos does.

Anything else is slavery and massive crimes against humanity and I denounce it and renounce to infinity and beyond. I see through all ISMS, that is opinions that harm others. Politics are but opinions. Freedom and Equality must be joined together, mother and father, wedded, to leave this planet.

Anything else is evil to me.

reply to post by rubbertramp

He might be a hypocrite to some extent, but taking advantage of a system that he may well have helped pay for does not mean that he agrees with it. Or... he may consider it a government service that is no different than police or fire service, but he does not want the government to set his salary or minimalize his ability to rise above his station, a return to surfdom, if you will. Do you purchase government susidized gasoline for your vehicle, and if you do, does it make you a hypocrite?

Me? I am totally 100% anti socialist. I even paid cash for my daughters college education and never even took out a student loan. Socialism breeds laziness and high taxes. I don't even like my money being handed out via the earned income credit. That is yet another Robin Hood tactic, and it is unconstitutional. What is "just" about paying taxes to support an earned income credit?

reply to post by Unity_99

Whats more left than the ndp? lol

I am not to sure why people fear the word of socialism there are aspects of most isms that would benefit everyone . I think many people are truly afraid of real change and would rather just cling to how thing are

reply to post by freedomSlave


We already live in socialism.

Most people that think that capitalism is the evil that created this mess are either stupid or crazy.

reply to post by EvilSadamClone


Star Trek isn't socialism it is outright communism. That and it only works because they have alternative plentiful power, and replicator technology. When people don't have to worry about feeding themselves and powering their society there is loads of time to pursue other interests. The social safety net isn't socialism either, it is a social program used to keep the working class from outright revolting from under the oppression of capitalism.

Originally posted by elouina
Me? I am totally 100% anti socialist. I even paid cash for my daughters college education and never even took out a student loan. Socialism breeds laziness and high taxes. I don't even like my money being handed out via the earned income credit. That is yet another Robin Hood tactic, and it is unconstitutional. What is "just" about paying taxes to support an earned income credit?

What about jimmy who works at the wal mart you don't think his daughter is entitled to a proper education ?
Not everyone can afford to live how you do . Do you think if you were working at wal mart you could afford to put in school all paid for by you?

Please don't feed me no b.s. line about he should of done something better with his life. Not everyone can be the ceo someone still needs to clean the deuce he left in the office toilet .

reply to post by EvilSadamClone

Especially if it is truly like the Star Trek style of socialism.

People who worked for nothing and where the Ferengi where the rich evil 1 percenters where the grand bilderberg nagus ran the universe.

Star Trek sold a bill of good where the rich planets took advantage of the poor ones, and exploited everyone else.

Some people still don't understand what is socialism and what is not.

Unemployment is not from the government it is from the employer.

Though he is a hypocrite for using food stamps and what he is doing, if indeed he is making money and not telling the government is a crime, if it makes you feel better you can turn him in.

Student loans are not socialism either...grants I would say yes because that comes from taxpayer money. But loans have to be paid back and most people got student loans from banks or loan companies, but Obama has put an end to that and requires that you do it through the government which is wrong. People should be able to choose who they want to take a student loan from since they have to pay it back at a pretty steep interest rate compared to what rates are right now. The only other way is cash or a personal/home equity loan.

Current home loans are at 3% and student loans are at 6 to 8%, more government theft IMO.

Either way, the current administration has passed laws to make sure parents are now on the hook for students loans, because THEY think a parent should pay for it. My kids have always known, no matter what loan is taken out, they must pay it back.

Totally unrelated to the post but I am so sick and tired of seeing skanky kids coming in my store, messing it up, giving me an attitude and then paying for their mountain of junk food with OUR tax money. T. They buy food with our money then whip out 60 dollars for lottery tickets.
There are so many good hardworking people that need that money for their family.

heres a satirical video poking fun at the scum
explicit lyrics

reply to post by freedomSlave


This is where community colleges come in. The debt from his would be miniscule compared to top notch colleges. But alas, it is still an education. Or perhaps some folks (the poor) deserve not to have a debt from an education? Yeah we did a bit better than most. But most college graduates are in debt for nearly $100,000 and in some cases even more to get an education. Meanwhile others get one scott free! Something is terrribly wrong when people get free educations on the backs of others. The others that are in debt up to their ears for eternity. Just doesn't make sense. Poor person = free education. Hard worker = in debt for decades. This smells like sociaism to me, and I don't like it one darn bit.

A common hypocrisy.

Two things come to my mind-
One, the american individualist approach conditions us early on to ignore and reject "what others say", "what others think" and other such forms of "herd mentality" ......disempowering cultural morals and ethics.

Meaning, if there is not a law against it, it is perfectly acceptable, there is no gray area left for "it is legal, but it isn't good to do" type of reflection.

This also gives much more power to the government, and much less to the people, and to women. (that's a subject for another thread).

The relevance, in this topic, is that you have less possibility of having something legally available, and yet the people having a strong repulsion to it that keeps them only using it when absolutely desperate, and only as long as absolutely necessary!

We could argue- "a person could still have strong morals against living off of welfare and act that way, just out of a sense of integrity and loyalty to self."

Yes, but, here's the problem with that- our minds have fantastic abilities to construct logic and rationality. We can find the most elaborate ways to convince ourself that schit smells like roses, and will do so, especially if it is our own schit.

The fact that "what others think or do" doesn't matter exerbates that problem by making us able to completely ignore and reject others pointing out the holes in our perceptions.
All that matters is thinking for yourself, right?

Two-

The part of the media in the free market and capitalism is key to whether it is effective or efficient or not. The assumption is that people will buy what they need.... and when that is fulfilled they would go on to what they want. But that would only be the case if they were listening to their body (the grumble of their stomach, their own thirst for water) instead of TV. If those in need of essentials for survival weren't being distracted by commercials for luxury items, which stimulate their brain to ignore what they need in favor of what they desire. They become slaves to their own mind and fantasies.... and the mass media.

The response to both of these problems comes around eventually- all choices end up being regulated by the governing power (no reason for mom to teach kids any ethics or morals, big daddy government takes that over). The government has to come in to "save people from themselves" and their own lack of self discipline and foresight.