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Originally posted by KhufuKeplerTriangle
OP, I knew a woman named Marie on the PP forum.
Her adult daughter gave birth to a baby girl.
The girl got the MMR.
Mom changed a diaper and contracted Measles and is now in a wheelchair, paralyzed.
The doctor thinks mycoplasma is eating her nerves up, or some antibody is stripping the myelin.
I wonder if anyone on ATS knows why myelin stripping is a side effect of vaccine adverse reaction.
I wonder if they know what mycoplasma is, and that it was suspected to contribute to GWS (Gulf War Syndrome), spread by the anthrax vaccine.
precisely what Dr. Wakefield said!!!!!
Originally posted by thebtheb
Originally posted by KhufuKeplerTriangle
OP, I knew a woman named Marie on the PP forum.
Her adult daughter gave birth to a baby girl.
The girl got the MMR.
Mom changed a diaper and contracted Measles and is now in a wheelchair, paralyzed.
The doctor thinks mycoplasma is eating her nerves up, or some antibody is stripping the myelin.
I wonder if anyone on ATS knows why myelin stripping is a side effect of vaccine adverse reaction.
I wonder if they know what mycoplasma is, and that it was suspected to contribute to GWS (Gulf War Syndrome), spread by the anthrax vaccine.
Seriously - sometimes I wonder if MMR and other diseases would be totally wiped out by now if we hadn't started vaccinating against them.
Cool avatar!!
Originally posted by Dizrael
Originally posted by pryingopen3rdeye
reply to post by Ex_CT2
it is YOUR OWN right to decide what is injected into your body, for people to criticize that decision is not PRO rights,
those who support forced vaccinations would certainly get some perspective if and when someone wants to forcibly inject them with something they dont want, hence the point of such rights
im sure this is probably already posted somewhere in this thread but im gonna say it anyways.
im military. i am sworn to obey the lawful orders of the officers appointed above me. i, and many others, are ordered to be vaccinated. yearly flu shots, Tdap (no idea what it is), Typhoid, ViCPs, yellow fever, anthrax, SMALL POX. my kids to go to school are required to receive vaccinations. it is a well known fact amongst us in the military everyone gets a little sick during and right after the flu shots come around (its now a flu mist, sprays in both nostrils).
i dont believe vaccinations are going anywhere, and who knows, maybe it will no longer be an option to NOT be vaccinated for civilians...
Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by HIWATT
If you take vitamin D supplements, make sure you get some sunlight everyday or they can become a problem. I know someone who wound up with problems from taking supplements but she was not getting enough sunlight.
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Honor93
Anecdotal analyses do not prove anything. Vaccines and their drawbacks are preferable to pandemics. Note that polio victims of the late 40s still require medical treatment while those who had the vaccine and remained polio free do not require treatment related to polio.
so, here we have lifetime chronic healthcare costs and progressive fatal cerebral atrophy in one, but i suppose those lives are worth the risk eh ??
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Between April 1982 and June 1983 four children 3 to 24 months of age were referred for evaluation of neurologic abnormalities found to be compatible with vaccine-related poliovirus infection, which had not been suspected by referring physicians. Patients were epidemiologically unrelated residents of Indiana, and none had prior symptoms suggestive of immunodeficiency.
Originally posted by Honor93
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Honor93
Anecdotal analyses do not prove anything. Vaccines and their drawbacks are preferable to pandemics. Note that polio victims of the late 40s still require medical treatment while those who had the vaccine and remained polio free do not require treatment related to polio.
you did not ask any such thing.
you asked how healthcare costs could/would plummet with less vaccines [paraphrased]
i answered with factual evidence that substantiates less care = less cost.
less than 100 cases in a handful of schools is hardly a pandemic
hmmmm, from chicken pox to polio and you present them as similar ???
do you use strawman tactics often ?
so, how many ppl who were vaccinated with the polio vax contracted it anyway or developed severe/life threatening or chronic conditions ??
so, here we have lifetime chronic healthcare costs and progressive fatal cerebral atrophy in one, but i suppose those lives are worth the risk eh ??
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Between April 1982 and June 1983 four children 3 to 24 months of age were referred for evaluation of neurologic abnormalities found to be compatible with vaccine-related poliovirus infection, which had not been suspected by referring physicians. Patients were epidemiologically unrelated residents of Indiana, and none had prior symptoms suggestive of immunodeficiency.
perhaps you should read this ... www.nvic.org...
Originally posted by pteridine
Originally posted by Honor93
Originally posted by pteridine
reply to post by Honor93
Anecdotal analyses do not prove anything. Vaccines and their drawbacks are preferable to pandemics. Note that polio victims of the late 40s still require medical treatment while those who had the vaccine and remained polio free do not require treatment related to polio.
you did not ask any such thing.
you asked how healthcare costs could/would plummet with less vaccines [paraphrased]
i answered with factual evidence that substantiates less care = less cost.
less than 100 cases in a handful of schools is hardly a pandemic
hmmmm, from chicken pox to polio and you present them as similar ???
do you use strawman tactics often ?
so, how many ppl who were vaccinated with the polio vax contracted it anyway or developed severe/life threatening or chronic conditions ??
so, here we have lifetime chronic healthcare costs and progressive fatal cerebral atrophy in one, but i suppose those lives are worth the risk eh ??
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...
Between April 1982 and June 1983 four children 3 to 24 months of age were referred for evaluation of neurologic abnormalities found to be compatible with vaccine-related poliovirus infection, which had not been suspected by referring physicians. Patients were epidemiologically unrelated residents of Indiana, and none had prior symptoms suggestive of immunodeficiency.
perhaps you should read this ... www.nvic.org...
My point was that avoiding the many polio infections by using polio vaccine greatly reduced health care costs related to polio over the lifetime of the individuals. Many children were saved by the Salk vaccine and a vaccine reduced the costs of healthcare both financially and in lives spared. The few that contracted the disease after receiving the vaccine were unfortunate but putting the entire population at risk because of a few would undoubtedly cost far more lives. In 1952 there were 58,000 polio cases with a population half of what it is now. This may be a helpful read for you en.wikipedia.org...
Do you think that 100,000+ polio cases would cost more or less than 4 polio cases?
Do you have any data that support your arguments that vaccines increase the cost of healthcare or are you guessing?
that is an assumption and purely subjective.
My point was that avoiding the many polio infections by using polio vaccine greatly reduced health care costs related to polio over the lifetime of the individuals.
neatly sandwiched between all the rest but it's there.
www.immunizationinfo.org...
Because almost all of our children are immunized, and only few are not, it can be the case that during an epidemic the majority of cases occur among children who were immunized.
Because almost all of our children are immunized, and only few are not, it can be the case that during an epidemic the majority of cases occur among children who were immunized.
since the prognosis for polio is death ... what's your point ?
Do you think that 100,000+ polio cases would cost more or less than 4 polio cases?
Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by HIWATT
If you take vitamin D supplements, make sure you get some sunlight everyday or they can become a problem. I know someone who wound up with problems from taking supplements but she was not getting enough sunlight.
Ricky this week and last week i have been unable to stop thinking about "fasting", i.e. taking a break from the bad food.
Originally posted by rickymouse
reply to post by thebtheb
In a couple of generations of getting the shots our natural immunity will be lost and we will need shots to survive. The immune systems of people are very complicated. The types of foods we are eating is more of a problem with health than the vaccines. Foods that suppress the immune system and slow detoxification of the body cause a majority of the problems for a lot of people.
Originally posted by r2d246
I got narcolepsy from getting vaccinated in grade 8.
how do you know it was from being vaccinated?
It's gotten milder over 2 decades since but it's still there. And I'm a "lucky one". So many people die from anaphilactic shock or end up with some serious problem.[/quoet]
how many? compared to, say, 1 million people dying worldwide from measles every year....and thousands of cases of encephilitis in the US alone every year....??
[quoet] But I think they're realizing that they might not be able to get to everyone, so instead they try and use propaganda to turn the willing sheeple on those that are awake by telling them the non-vacs are putting you at risk. Well in Canada we don't have that yet fortunately. they haven't gotten to the point where everything is mandidtory but they basically trick the kids at school as they come across as if it's a normal everyday event and they have nothing to worry about. It's so sad.
I feel sorry for youedit on 18-10-2012 by Aloysius the Gaul because: (no reason given)