Christian Does Not Equal Muslim

Originally posted by ollncasino

Its a bit embarrassing really to see an American President acting in such a manner.

He does a lot of toadding around for the leader of the most power nation on earth.

I'm truly saddened that many of my fellow Americans feel that showing respect for other global leaders and cultures is a sign of weakness. Humility and Respect aren't weaknesses, they're strengths, and as far as I know are "Christ like" characteristics.

Originally posted by generik
i think the OP is trying to ask how can a person be a Christian. ie: Jesus is the SON of the living god, only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. etc. as opposed to the Muslim belief that Jesus was just another proffet, and NOT the SON of GOD. rather incomparable with each other. so which is he a Christian OR a Muslim?

When you encounter a person on the street, do you demand to know what religion they belong to? (if any) Do you judge them for their beliefs if they're different from your own? Are those practices, intolerance and judgementalism, qualities that your church promotes, or are those practices at odds with your christian belief system?

Originally posted by benrl

World leaders do deserve a little respect in their own right, but that being said hes not a Diplomat he is the President.

I am pretty sure we fought some wars to not have to bow to foreign powers and royalty.

Simple hand shake would of done the job.

The President is most certainly a diplomat, and as such he should set an example for all to follow. A simple handshake may be sufficient in our culture, but may not be suitable in different cultural or political situations.

I don't think anyone who was a true Christian, or a true Muslim, would be the president. Or anyone in a position of power.

Just because someone says they are, it doesn't make it so. Christianity, or Islam, is not simply a side you take like democrat or republican.

Do people really think Jesus would have been a right wing authoritarian? Only in America.

The president is Julius, not Jesus.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Here he is bowing to the Queen......does that mean she is Muslim too?

He bows to most important (and some not so important) people he meets, it's called courtesy.

Yea now I definitely know for a fact that we fought a few wars not to have to bow to England and its monarchs...

This country does not respect inherited titles and blood lines.

It's the merit of a man that makes him respectable, not the royal vag that #e them out.

With abosoutly zero respect to you and your queen...

Originally posted by TheBeatMasta
Recently I've heard Obama talk about Christians, speaking as if he was a Christian. I watch a lot of news. He has openly talked about his muslim faith, and evidence can be found everywhere. Only God can save us.

Ignorance does not equal denying ignorance ?

Its only due to the rampant christian extremism in the U.S and their lobbying power that any of your political leaders feel the need to "talk up" their level of involvement in the church anyway.
Let's just say for a moment that he did follow a muslim faith (which he clearly does not) why would you need god's help ?
Would that mean he was in someway evil or out to do you harm ?
Of course not.

also - THOUGH SHALL NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOUR !!

Originally posted by ~Vixen~

Originally posted by generik
i think the OP is trying to ask how can a person be a Christian. ie: Jesus is the SON of the living god, only way to heaven is through Jesus Christ. etc. as opposed to the Muslim belief that Jesus was just another proffet, and NOT the SON of GOD. rather incomparable with each other. so which is he a Christian OR a Muslim?

When you encounter a person on the street, do you demand to know what religion they belong to? (if any) Do you judge them for their beliefs if they're different from your own? Are those practices, intolerance and judgementalism, qualities that your church promotes, or are those practices at odds with your christian belief system?

typical trying to turn a statement about what i think the OP is asking as an attack of intolerance.

to answer your question, no i generally don't care about what the average person on the street believes, that is their choice. but then this is NOT an average person, he is the leader of a nation, and therefore what he may or may not believe can be of major importance. it comes NOT of intolerance or judgementalisim but of a valid concern for what appears could be double speak. THAT IS OF MAJOR CONCERN for selecting a leader. we have more than enough lies from the government and so if a leader of a country can not be clear on his beliefs then what hope do we have of the same person being clear on ANY issue? that is what makes it a valid question. it isn't about RELIGION but about TRUTHFULNESS.

Has anyone managed to snap a picture of Obama doing any of the required 6 prayer times a day?

www.islamicfinder.org...

I doubt it.

Or do presidential Muslims not have to follow the rules

Originally posted by benrl



It's the merit of a man that makes him respectable, not the royal vag that #e them out.

With abosoutly zero respect to you and your queen...

Well that wasn't very nice.

Anyway, doesn't the Queen still own a large percentage of America through the Virginian company?

There is evidence out there to suggest that America never actually declared independence, and paid rent to the crown. (Something to do with King George funding both sides and yadayada, I forget).

Have a little Google into it, most likely not true, but kinda funny I think.

EDIT: Look on Youtube for "US is a Corporation, not a Country. Got a problem with that? ", video ID is "_HfsKO22Ycc&gl=GB". I don't want to embed it here because a) it is off topic and b) starts with foul language.

Any Further communication on the subject send via u2u as to not derail this thread.

Originally posted by benrl

Yea now I definitely know for a fact that we fought a few wars not to have to bow to England and its monarchs...

This country does not respect inherited titles and blood lines.

It's the merit of a man that makes him respectable, not the royal vag that #e them out.

With abosoutly zero respect to you and your queen...

In our modern society, a lot of people seem to have adopted the belief that "I don't have to respect you until you've earned it." Why is displaying common courtesy towards others viewed in such a negative fashion? If you're entering the mall and see an elderly woman working her way through the heavy doors, do you hold it open for her, or do you slide by her and let it slam shut in her face? Surely she hasn't done anything to EARN your respect, but sometimes holding it open and showing a bit of compassion is just the right thing to do.

reply to post by ~Vixen~


Exactly, well put, and one can argue that showing a bit of courtesy can go a long way to establishing a respect for each other.

This is one thing I like about Obama, I don't how well he has done as the American president, but that aside, he seems like a down to Earth and pleasant fellow.

I would like to see an Atheist in the White House.

Perhaps a true seperation of Church & State would allow this 'Once Great Country' to move forward in a positive manner un-fettered by anyone's personal definition of morality.

Originally posted by generik

typical trying to turn a statement about what i think the OP is asking as an attack of intolerance.

to answer your question, no i generally don't care about what the average person on the street believes, that is their choice. but then this is NOT an average person, he is the leader of a nation, and therefore what he may or may not believe can be of major importance. it comes NOT of intolerance or judgementalisim but of a valid concern for what appears could be double speak. THAT IS OF MAJOR CONCERN for selecting a leader. we have more than enough lies from the government and so if a leader of a country can not be clear on his beliefs then what hope do we have of the same person being clear on ANY issue? that is what makes it a valid question. it isn't about RELIGION but about TRUTHFULNESS.

To my knowledge, he's stated that he's christian. To date, I've seen no conclusive evidence to believe otherwise, and until I see such proof, there's no reason for me to question his statements in that regard. IF the members of ATS can conclusive prove inconsistencies in his theological beliefs, something that his professional political enemies have been unable to prove, I'd truly be amazed.

Personally speaking, I'd love to see a president declare something like: I was raised christian, but don't currently affiliate myself with any organized religion. I enjoy spending my weekends watching football and drinking beer. I host the annual White House easter egg hunt because I think that bunnies are cute, and I celebrate Christmas because I usually make out with tons of cool presents. THAT is someone that I would respect.

Originally posted by DENBY
I would like to see an Atheist in the White House.

Perhaps a true seperation of Church & State would allow this 'Once Great Country' to move forward in a positive manner un-fettered by anyone's personal definition of morality.

1. This "once great country" was great because the large majority honoured their God in everything that they did. There was no "WE built this" but rather "GOD built this". Front doors were unlocked at night, parents didn't fear a pedophile, and rapists and murderers just weren't a concern.

2. One hundred years plus later, the descendants of those Christians rip the God of their forefathers out of every aspect of their lives and MISTAKENLY BELIEVE that the same blessings will be showered upon them. If you haven't noticed, the prisons are overflowing with murderers, rapists, thieves and drug addicts, thousands of children are abducted each year to never be found again, entire neighbourhoods have barred windows and doors, the most innocent of life, the unborn, are slaughtered at the rate of 4,000 per day, and our very own leaders reflect those same darn traits.

3. "Unfettered by anyone's personal definition of morality"? This is the height of delusion. Just WHO do you think promotes hate, violence, bloodshed, abortion, sodomy, murder, anger, greed, immorality and "do what thou will"? Hint: If it ISN'T your Creator, then you'd better take notice what your Creator told you; the penalty of sin is death, the devil is a destroyer, a murderer and a liar and that the fruits of evil is DEATH. Oh wait - bet you bought his lie that he doesn't exist....

When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison [and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them.

Revelation 20:7-9

The children of Christian forefathers are now on the side of Satan's army - as they delude themselves into thinking that a president who is demonstrably not a Christian means no ill towards them. Why? They've been brainwashed to believe that all religions are the same and that there is no Satan who is allowed to come against them. Instead of being taught a healthy fear of their God they've been taught to not fear the destroyer. They've been led to crucify Christ Jesus all over again, never once realising that they were deceived into doing so. And they were led to believe in a NEW set of morals that only mean misery and death for most. Instead of "Thou Shalt Not Murder", their new moral is "Thou Shalt Murder Thy Child", instead of "Thou Shalt Not Steal" it's "Thou Shalt Steal", instead of "Thou Shalt Love Thy God" it's "Thou Shalt Deny Him", instead of "Thou Shalt Not Covet" it's "Thou Shalt Covet".
How you can say that you are "unfettered by anyone's personal definition of morality" is beyond me and indicative of ignorance. Somebody taught it to you just as I teach my child the commands of the Creator, but the difference is that you have no comprehension of who taught you whilst I teach my child that it's from Our Father in Heaven. That fact alone should scare you, but sadly, most will go to their eternal death because the love of lies was stronger than the love of seeking truth.

It should matter greatly that the destroyer comes against God's people, because it means that this age of humanity is coming to a close, to a fiery end. It means that opportunity for eternal salvation is nearly done. It means that darkness is descending very quickly as the Light of Christ wanes, and that most of this last generation is perishing because they loved the darkness more than the light. If you refuse to acknowledge that the rest of the world is in Satan's army and is now surrounding the western nations, then you'll never understand why they seethe and rage against us, why they've patiently undermined our societies with the beliefs of their "gods", their eastern philosophies and their new anti-God morality, then you just will never see the end coming. The end has been known from the beginning and nothing will change the outcome.

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Here he is bowing to the Queen......does that mean she is Muslim too?



He bows to most important (and some not so important) people he meets, it's called courtesy.

Why is he bowing to them, but they aren't bowing to him?

And how come his bow to the Queen is so high but his bow to the Emperor of Japan and the King of Saudi is so low? Almost as if he is one of their toadies?

If these things don't matter, why is he bowing in the first place and they aren't?





Even the President of China gets a significantly lower, submissive eyes averted to the floor bow. Note the President of China does not reciprocate.

So height of bowing == Level of toadying?

So the behind-the-scenes American puppet-masters are (in descending order) Japan, Saudi Arabia, China, and the UK?

But wait...the Emperor of Japan has no power in Japan...same with the Queen in the UK.

So maybe the level of bowing has to do with the height of the person being bowed to?

or maybe someone just got convenient and context-free photographs of Obama that make it look like he's bowing, when his head was just down for a second (definitely plausible for the Queen and for the President of China).

...or maybe it is hilariously absurd to be judging the "toadyingness" of a president by how much he is bowing?

As for the OP: Having knowledge of Islam isn't the same as being a muslim. It is called "Denying Ignorance" or "not being an idiot".

Originally posted by babloyi

...or maybe it is hilariously absurd to be judging the "toadyingness" of a president by how much he is bowing?

Is it now?

A satirical interpretation of Obama's visit to China.

bowing to world leaders does not necessarily lead to mutual respect -



added for fun -



Now...on topic, I think it does matter what faith he is, and whether he is telling the truth about it.

Based on his support of the Muslim Brotherhood, and his allowing them to infiltrate the Whitehouse, I'd say it's obvious where his heart is...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

When his mother moved him to Indonesia, and listed his name as "Barry Soetoro" on his school application, it also lists "faith" as Muslim. That is documented fact people.

If I was American, his being Muslim would make an enormous difference because Sharia and theocracy (hint that isn't demcracy is it) is unbelievably, underlined to infinity and beyond, EVIL and extremely dangerous. And as a Canadian, with that across the border as a neighbor to us, EXTREMELY CONCERNED. I don't lie and political correctness that endangers lives is a crime against humanity.

And did you guys not go to war, over a false flag that was blamed on Muslim fanatics?

Think something big is occurring here?

reply to post by Unity_99


Exactly, I know enough of the Muslim believe and Islam laws to know that our US president is indeed a Muslim now that he is practicing Islam, well that is not shown publicly but privately is another matter

Now, why does this should be an issue? because Islam law have not room within our nations constitutional laws and a US president that is Muslim and practice Islam is a danger to US christian base.

And I will have to express that I am not a Christian believer and neither I follow organized religion

But I do my research and I am very comfortable to say that our President is indeed Muslim, he was born into the religion, now does he practice Islam? that is the question that I can not answer.

reply to post by benrl

I to do not care what faith our president is.

I do, because anything other than a Jesus loving Bible believing christian = Satan and that means you support Satan.

Judas betrayed Jesus with a kiss too. Obama is for homosexuality and gay marriage, that = Satan. Romney is for abortion, that = Satan. In effect if you vote for either you vote for Satan. So where do you stand? Can't have it both ways you're either for God or you're for the other team. Can't serve 2 masters. Both of these men will lie and change their beliefs depending on wherever they think the most voters are. That is the act of immoral people.

Mitt Romney pro-abortion

Originally posted by woogleuk
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Here he is bowing to the Queen......does that mean she is Muslim too?

He bows to most important (and some not so important) people he meets, it's called courtesy.

I dunno, after all those bodies of Mohawk children discovered in Canada from as late as the 1960's tied to Rome and the Anglican church which she is the head of, it wouldn't surprise me if she was grinding her face in the dirt 5 times a day towards Mecca. Gotta kill the infidels.