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Originally posted by Wifibrains
reply to post by Alfie1
Like ats? Lol. Possibly.
So you are saying the official version is the truth?
Government never knew it was going to happen, and allowed it for their own agenda?
Millitary black ops never propagated terrorism?
I think the powers that be had the means to manipulate people to manifest this event into reality for their own agenda.
I would like to offer this thread as a place for informal discussion or Ask A Debunker! style questioning.
Originally posted by Alfie1
Originally posted by Wifibrains
reply to post by Alfie1
Like ats? Lol. Possibly.
So you are saying the official version is the truth?
Government never knew it was going to happen, and allowed it for their own agenda?
Millitary black ops never propagated terrorism?
I think the powers that be had the means to manipulate people to manifest this event into reality for their own agenda.
I am saying the evidence is, as shown in maxella's post above, that the words on the page the teacher was referring to were " Kite, kit, steal, playing, must ". Somewhere along the line a truther has manipulated that into " plane, hit, steel, must" and others have been suckered into it. I find it hard to believe that this was a genuine misunderstanding because not only have the words been changed but also the order.
Does it not seem very bizarre and improbable to you that conspirators in an atrocious mass murder should want to include a class of kids chanting hints about that very conspiracy which they presumably hoped they would get away with ?
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by exponent
I would like to offer this thread as a place for informal discussion or Ask A Debunker! style questioning.
I got a few questions for a debunker...
Did Saudi officials provide financial support for the hijackers?
Did Pakistan's ISI support the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did NORAD mislead investigators on why its planes didn't intercept the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did the CIA cover up its advance knowledge of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers?
Who gave the order to shoot down hijacked planes if necessary - Bush or Cheney?
Why didn’t the Secret Service rush Bush to safety?
One more question please-
Did Mossad agents really lived next to the hijackers?
edit on 30-9-2012 by maxella1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Alfie1
Originally posted by Wifibrains
The video of bush In the classroom was very creepy, the words the kids where reading off the board.
Plane, hit, steel, must.
Just another coincedence to add to the loooooong list.
I am afraid your post exemplifies why I can't be bothered to get back into the 9/11 forum.
What you have stated is quite false, that is not what the children were being taught . It has been shown to be false on so many occasions but still gets trotted out regularly.
All that seems to come from the truther side now are similar allegations which I have seen aptly described as " zombie facts "; that is they just keep on coming however many times they have been shot down.
It gets tedious addressing the same old same old and I think 9/11 "truth" has had its day anyway.
Did Saudi officials provide financial support for the hijackers?
Did Pakistan's ISI support the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did NORAD mislead investigators on why its planes didn't intercept the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did the CIA cover up its advance knowledge of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers?
Who gave the order to shoot down hijacked planes if necessary - Bush or Cheney?
Why didn’t the Secret Service rush Bush to safety
Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by maxella1
Did Saudi officials provide financial support for the hijackers?
Did Pakistan's ISI support the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did NORAD mislead investigators on why its planes didn't intercept the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did the CIA cover up its advance knowledge of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers?
Who gave the order to shoot down hijacked planes if necessary - Bush or Cheney?
Why didn’t the Secret Service rush Bush to safety
Some answers to the questions
Saudi contacts to Bin Laden and 9/11 hijackers have been covered
Anthony Summers / Robyn Swan in their book THE ELEVENTH DAY exposed many links between Saudi
officals and the 9/11 hijackers. Also the financial support given Bin Laden by various Saudi citizens and
"charities"
Following 9/11 Bush supposedly sent secret message to Saudi king telling them to deal with the problem or
we (the US) would
3 members of Saudi royal family shortly afterwards meet with sudden deaths under bizzare conditions
The CIA did not cover up the discovery of hijackers prior to 9/11 - they had tracked the pair from a terrorist
conference in Malaysia to San Diego. Once on US soil became a domestic intelligence matter under
control of FBI. Under rules in place at that time there was a wall of separation between CIA and FBI
which prevented from sharing information . FBI was also reluctant to get involved in terrorism
Order to shoot down planes was given by Bush to Cheney who pasted it to the Air Force. Bush was traveling
and thus lacked much of the information as it was coming in .. Cheney at the White House Situation Room,
was in better location to receive and analyze information as it came in. Air Force One was also
experiencing communication problems with White House - this was rectified after 9/11
As for Secret Service rushing Bush immediately out of the school - been covered before . The School was
secured, it had been presurveyed for any threats. Once on the move Bush would have been viulnerable
Best to stay put and gather information to get handle on situation unless believe Bin Laden had recruited a
team of midgets and disguised them as school kids....
Originally posted by maxella1
reply to post by exponent
I would like to offer this thread as a place for informal discussion or Ask A Debunker! style questioning.
I got a few questions for a debunker...
Did Saudi officials provide financial support for the hijackers?
Did Pakistan's ISI support the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did NORAD mislead investigators on why its planes didn't intercept the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did the CIA cover up its advance knowledge of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers?
Who gave the order to shoot down hijacked planes if necessary - Bush or Cheney?
Why didn’t the Secret Service rush Bush to safety?
One more question please-
Did Mossad agents really lived next to the hijackers?
Originally posted by maxella1
I got a few questions for a debunker...
Did Saudi officials provide financial support for the hijackers?
Did Pakistan's ISI support the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did NORAD mislead investigators on why its planes didn't intercept the 9/11 hijackers?
Why did the CIA cover up its advance knowledge of at least two of the 9/11 hijackers?
Who gave the order to shoot down hijacked planes if necessary - Bush or Cheney?
Why didn’t the Secret Service rush Bush to safety?
Did Mossad agents really lived next to the hijackers?
edit on 30-9-2012 by maxella1 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TrickoftheShade
reply to post by exponent
I admire your measured and polite approach to this, as well as your methodical way of dealing with the issues, but I won't be posting again.
...
So since the responses are unlikely to alter their belief, and their beliefs are basically immaterial anyway, it seems pointless to continue responding to them.
Originally posted by exponent
Since the 911 forum has reopened, we've seen participation drop dramatically and already some of the more prolific posters have been banned. This seems to be driving casual posters off, either with the WATS score requirements or the fear of being accidentally banned.
While I can do nothing about the rules, I would like to offer this thread as a place for informal discussion or Ask A Debunker! style questioning.
I think that the most aggressive posters on either side here have now been banned and the remaining people are fairly careful and polite, so I hope that we can make this a thread without the requirement to solidly prove any statement. I ask any debunkers and any 'truthers' or '911 sceptics' or whichever term you would prefer to take it easy here without the need to criticise or doubt every piece of evidence from either side.
If you think something is suspicious about 911, post what you think and why. I promise that I will not jump down your throat screaming about how you cannot prove it, and I hope others will follow suit. There's nothing wrong with speculation, just that it normally does not have a direct place in threads talking about proof. That's what this thread is for.
As I've mentioned in many other threads, I am very suspicious about the motives of Bush when testifying, and I would be very interested to know if anyone has any more solid information on potential involvement in anything dubious. I doubt very much that Bush is involved with an 'inside job', but I would not be shocked at all to find out that there were political pressures in place that prevented a proper investigation.
What are your thoughts?
Originally posted by Alfie1
reply to post by Wifibrains
Perhaps you have been scammed by a manipulated video on some conspiracy site.
Originally posted by ANOK
I see this claim all the time from OS supporters.
For some reason they can't get it through their heads that some of us can actually think for ourselves, and do not need other people to tell us how to think, or what to think.
Perhaps you have been scammed by a manipulated official story from your government.
Originally posted by Wifibrains
Like ats? Lol. Possibly.
So you are saying the official version is the truth?
Government never knew it was going to happen, and allowed it for their own agenda?
Millitary black ops never propagated terrorism?
I think the powers that be had the means to manipulate people to manifest this event into reality for their own agenda.
Thinking is a great thing and is always encouraged and applauded by others. But leaping from thinking to believing without strong supporting evidence. Well? That is the literal definition of being gullible.
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Your "thinking for yourselves" isn't the problem. The problem is that you're deliberately being lied to by the conspiracy mongors in order to manipulate your thinking.
Originally posted by ANOK
Originally posted by GoodOlDave
Your "thinking for yourselves" isn't the problem. The problem is that you're deliberately being lied to by the conspiracy mongors in order to manipulate your thinking.
Who is lying to me?
No one tells me what to think Dave. My own background and education is enough for me to understand.
The only people lying is the government. All governments lie.
edit on 10/3/2012 by ANOK because: (no reason given)