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Originally posted by marg6043
yes, they then took it back to the old world and spread it, but natives were inmune to it.
Originally posted by marg6043
Actually amuk I should not had used inmune but they were more resistant to the effects, my daughter did a report on it for her biology class.
Originally posted by marg6043
You know that Columbus and his men got the syphilis from the natives? yes, they then took it back to the old world and spread it, but natives were inmune to it.
It's likely that researchers will never come to an agreement about where syphilis originated and how it arrived in the Old World. The most widely accepted theory is that the venereal form of the disease arrived on the shores of Europe along with Christopher Columbus's crew, when they returned in 1493 from a journey to the New World. Indeed, although no cases of the disease seem to have existed in Europe before Columbus sailed to the New World, it had reached epidemic levels on the continent by around 1500. But in recent years, pre-Columbian skeletons -- such as those unearthed at the Hull friary in England -- have been found with distinctive signs of syphilis. Those skeletons have turned the nice, tidy picture of New World origins into a muddy mess.
The sexually-transmitted form of syphilis is caused by a corkscrew-shaped bacterium called Treponema pallidum, which is one of a closely-related group of bacteria called the treponomes. Other treponomes are responsible for the three non-venereal forms of syphilis, which primarily affect the skin and are most common in early childhood. Bejel, also caused by Treponema pallidum, is prevalent among Bedouin tribes and elsewhere
in the Middle East; pinta, caused by the Treponema carateum bacterium, is common in Central and South America; and yaws, the result of infection with the Treponema pertenue bacterium, is found in moist, tropical regions throughout the world. Venereal syphilis probably mutated out of one of those other forms -- most likely, researchers say, from the bacterium that causes yaws. When that happened, however, is the big mystery.
www.pbs.org...
Debate about the origins of syphilis has continued for nearly 500 years, ever since early sixteenth-century Europeans blamed each other, referring to it variously as the Venetian, Naples, or French disease. One hypothesis assumes a New World origin, and holds that sailors who accompanied Columbus and other explorers brought the disease back to Europe. Another explanation is that syphilis was always present in the Old World but was not identified as a separate disease from leprosy before about A.D. 1500. A third possibility is that syphilis developed in both hemispheres from the related diseases bejel and yaws. New studies by paleopathologists Bruce and Christine Rothschild favor a New World origin.
Ancient and medieval sources have long been cited as evidence for syphilis in Europe before Columbus, but none of the descriptions by Greek and Roman authors are specific enough to be certain. Returning crusaders brought "Saracen ointment" containing mercury for treating "lepers," an appropriate medication for syphilis but not for leprosy.
Thirteenth- and fourteenth-century A.D. references to "venereal leprosy" may also indicate syphilis because leprosy is not sexually transmitted. But the first unambiguous descriptions of syphilis begin around 1500. These may either reflect growing medical knowledge and ability to differentiate syphilis from other diseases or signal its arrival from the New World.
www.archaeology.org...
Italian Skeletons Reveal Old World Diseases
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
April 12, 2004 � Researchers investigating Italian cemeteries have found further evidence to confirm that syphilis and rheumatoid arthritis plagued the Americas long before the arrival of Columbus.
Involving various sites throughout Italy, the study examined 688 skeletons dating from the Bronze Age to the Black Plague epidemic of 1485-1486. The remains were investigated for the presence of bony alterations characteristic of rheumatoid arthritis, gout, spondyloarthropathy and syphilis-causing organisms, called treponemes.
Indeed, syphilis is known to scar and deform bones. Legend holds that Columbus and his crew contracted syphilis in the New World and caused an outbreak in Europe.
dsc.discovery.com...
Originally posted by LL1
Winston Churchill, Al Capone and Christopher Columbus?
Give up, that's to those whom may not know....
Well they all died from syphilis...
Originally posted by marg6043
You know that Columbus and his men got the syphilis from the natives? yes, they then took it back to the old world and spread it, but natives were inmune to it.
New York State Department of Health
Does past infection with syphilis make a person immune?
There is no natural immunity to syphilis and past infection offers no protection to the patient.
Wikipedia
The origins of syphilis are not known, though it does appear to have been documented by Hippocrates in Classical Greece in its venereal/tertiary form. This form was known in a Greek city of Metaponto in Italy about 600 BC, and at Pompeii where additional archaeological evidence of uniquely grooved teeth of the children of mothers with syphilis has been found.
Evidence of syphilis in medieval Europe has been found at the site of a 13-14th century Augustinian friary in the northeastern English port of Kingston upon Hull.
This friary provided medical care including palliative care and burial rites for "wretched souls". Skeletons discovered at the friary bear bone lesions typical of tertiary venereal syphilis. Carbon dating affirms these skeletons were buried during the existence of the friary, which was destroyed in 1539.
Originally posted by marg6043
Well Grady thanks to point out that I told the truth, you probably had the same class that my daughter had in her second year of college.
Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Here's my conspiracy of the day. marg, dgtempe, and nanna of 6 are identical triplets who were separated at birth and miraculously reunited here at ATS.
On Columbus Day, we celebrate the civilization whose philosophers and mathematicians, men such as Aristotle, Archimedes, and Euclid, displaced otherworldly mysticism by discovering the laws of logic and mathematical relationships, demonstrating to mankind that the universe is knowable and predictable.
Article from MSNBC
Majority exterminated
Overall, 95 percent were obliterated.
''What this means is that, on average, for every 20 Natives alive at the moment of European contact � when the lands of the Americas teemed with numerous tens of millions of people �only one stood in their place when the bloodbath was over.''
Originally posted by LL1
It's the insulting member that does not realize that just like Catherine The Great, and her death, at the family's request negative information is removed from history.
To the member with the monkey avatar. Look into abnormal pysch disorders on sexual deviants.
All I have to say to you, is like father like son.
Now this is Gradys' thread on Columbus, want to start a syphilis thread, then so be it.....
Winston Churchill died from syphilis, he went deaf and blind.
List of people on stamps of the United Kingdom - encyclopedia ...
... Two of her sisters, Maria and Elizabeth, died. .... ... Sir Winston Churchill, KG. ..... ...
Towards the end of his life, he caught syphilis and began to go blind. ...
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On January 15, 1965 Churchill suffered another stroke � a severe cerebral thrombosis � that left him gravely ill. He died nine days later on January 24, 1965.
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Towards the end of his life, he caught syphilis Syphilis and began to go blind.
Originally posted by PistolPete
How many of you just decided since Grady posted it, you have to disagree?
This is the main theme of the article, as I took it:
On Columbus Day, we celebrate the civilization whose philosophers and mathematicians, men such as Aristotle, Archimedes, and Euclid, displaced otherworldly mysticism by discovering the laws of logic and mathematical relationships, demonstrating to mankind that the universe is knowable and predictable.
No one can dispute that statement!