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Bush Will Lose...Unfortunately

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posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:22 PM
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I am a BUSH supporter, but not a BUSH lover. I dont agree with all of his policies, and the IRAQ war is a big problem. I have military experience, some political connections and am currently a small business owner...an average joe. From a military standpoint, we had to go in to send a clear message. First, Saddam was a weakened target and a clear message had to be sent to growing threats. No, he didnt have WMD's, but he was a magnet for terrorists. All you have to do is research the current OIL FOR FOOD scandal to see what was going on and how it supported our enemies and our supposed allies. But as it turns out, money can corrupt just about anyone. To those without military experience or the insight to how inside politics work, dealing a blow to Saddams regime and at the same time ending what will go down in history as the biggest worldwide fraud in the world of politics. Once the smoke clears, you will find out why France, Germany, China and Russia didnt support our efforts. Why should they...they were getting oil, getting rich and selling weapons to a growing threat...Muslim Extremists. This is a fact and before the Kerry supporters start with the Bush bashing...it had to be stopped. If left alone 9/11 would be a taste of what we would be facing in coming years. If you think that a politician like John Kerry would have had the NUTS to take the next step...your kidding yourselves. He claims that he wants to bring everyone back to the table??? Thats like asking the fox to watch the chickens. The UN and our other alleged allies had the chance to do the right thing and they chose greed. Kerry is a fool for even saying what he does about rebuilding relationships with the likes of France, Germany, China and Russia.
I have read other blogs about Kerry's record, military or otherwise. As a past military man...I and many, many others would never vote for him. First, he hasnt released all of his records...the form 180. It's important because of whats in there. I have it on very good information that he wasnt HONORABLY discharged. Whether it was politics or on the ground conduct...the records would show that he is not the war hero he pretends to be. While I praise anyone that puts his boots on and shows up...nothing is always as it seems. From day one, he had political motives and his behavior after he returned from Vietnam proves this. All the media needs to do is start asking him the hard questions...why not release all of your records, look at his TRUE record in the senate, nail him down on all of his different viewpoints on the issues. This isnt going to happen because of the HATE BUSH crusade by the media, the left wing and the young and impressionable 20's something crowd who dont even know why they would vote for Kerry other than The Boss or some hollywood nitwit said to.
I am a registered Democrat and have been my whole life. I voted for the best candidate from both parties every 4 years. But what I have seen over the past 12 years is unprecedented. The obvious media bias, the growth of the hollywood age of LIBERAL POLICIES have pushed me to the right. Joe Lieberman would have been an excellent choice, but alas...NOT FAR ENOUGH LEFT. Bush will lose this election...not because the economy is in ruins...it's not. Not because we shouldnt have gone to war...we did. Not because we are losing in Iraq...we're not. Not because Bush pushed away our Allies...he didnt, they chose money over loyalty. It isnt because the minorities are worse off...they arent, housing is at an all time high, interest rates are low. It isnt because of the loss of jobs...More and more people are going back to work and small business is thriving. Bush will lose because of the lack of enthusiasm on the part of the RIGHT. They lack the win at all cost mentality that consumes the LEFT. It's a shame, because if the RIGHT would fight just as hard and dirty as the LEFT...it wouldnt be close. People would know the REAL John Kerry. His military record is questionable. His senate record is that of an absentee elite fraud. If I'm right...nov 3 will be a sad day in america. I see nothing but bad days ahead if John Kerry is elected. Before all of you Kerry supporters start up with the rhetoric...I voted for Kennedy, I voted for Reagan, I voted for Bush Sr., I voted for Clinton(1st time), I didnt vote Clinton/Dole, I voted for W.Bush and I'm voting for him again. There were a number of better choices than Kerry. Frankly, I dont know how so many support him...I think it just proves my point. The hatred for Bush is so rampant that its beyond explanation. All this guy does is deal with the problems of the day, headstrong, straight forward and with some dignity. Because he isnt the SPEAKER that Clinton was or Kerry is...he is made out to be an idiot. This is unfair and in my opinion the very reason he is my choice. He wears his emotions on his sleeve. He doesnt change his mind based on popular polls. He isnt the typical, slick talking career politician with a hidden agenda. George Bush reminds me of a guy who is straight talkin, straight shootin kinda guy you feel that you can trust. That is NOT John Kerry. Forget how well he speaks and how good he looks doing it...I feel for america when this guy takes office and I'm afraid he will.

[edit on 14-10-2004 by John bull 1]



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:28 PM
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This looks like one those emails that goes around the internet. It looks like it was copied and pasted and because it is in one block is very hard to read. I'm not buying this one for one second.

[edit on 04/10/14 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:39 PM
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possibly correct Grady.
I only wish the subject line was true.
I honestly don't think Americans are that smart.

Bush has no spine when it comes to standing up to Corporate America.
He hasn't vetoed one single spending bill. So all his 'tough talk' not withstanding, doesn't really have much spine at all.
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posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:43 PM
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This is real...I wrote it and can defend it...



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 12:55 PM
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For some reason, I think the loser this time will walk away grateful..
I don't think either of them really want the job....would you?



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:04 PM
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Man...have you heard of "the paragraph"? Do us all a favour and take a tour of your favourite magazines to learn how to make the written word readable.

You can bark at me for commenting on how hard your post is to read, and not the content, but your style makes the content hard to get at...



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:05 PM
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No, he didnt have WMD's, but he was a magnet for terrorists.


Yes, but he went to war on the SOLE premise that Iraq was unlawfully hiding such weapons. When this proved to be false, it made the entire war illegal. I too bought the rhetoric. I had faith that if the President of the US was telling me he had them, that he had them... Such faith was misplaced.


Once the smoke clears, you will find out why France, Germany, China and Russia didnt support our efforts.


Hardly a surprise to us here...we know they were in bed with Saddam.


Thats like asking the fox to watch the chickens.


How, when the head fox is already in a cage?


First, he hasnt released all of his records...the form 180. It's important because of whats in there. I have it on very good information that he wasnt HONORABLY discharged.


Neither has Bush, and Bush went AWOL!



look at his TRUE record in the senate


Like many, he has not voted, or voted for a Bill, even if disagreeing with some of it, in order to get into law (for the important points) and then nitpick at it later. This is common, and part of the system. The Bush camp attempts to use this to show flip-flopping...


This isnt going to happen because of the HATE BUSH crusade by the media


If anything, the media has been "pro-Bush" even roasting one of their own who went against him...


Bush will lose this election...not because the economy is in ruins...it's not.


He came into the office with a budget SURPLUS, and has made this into a HUGE DEFICIT in just 4 years! The biggest bad turnaround in US history! He is also the first president in decades to actually LOSE jobs! Oil prices are through the roof, and you don't think the economy is suffering?



and small business is thriving


Unlike Bush, I don't consider multi-million dollar companies to be "small" businesses....


REAL John Kerry. His military record is questionable


And Bush's isn't???



The hatred for Bush is so rampant that its beyond explanation


It's rather easy to explain. We hate having an ignorant hick who's borderline retarded (despite his paid for Ivy League degree) representing our nation to the world.


Because he isnt the SPEAKER that Clinton was or Kerry is...he is made out to be an idiot


Yes, but his decisions also make him out to be an idiot... Besides, don't you want your representative to the world to be a good speaker? It's kind of an important aspect of the job, not to be downplayed....


George Bush reminds me of a guy who is straight talkin, straight shootin kinda guy you feel that you can trust.


You dare mention trust? We did trust him. He said there were unlawful WMD in Iraq, and asked us to go along with him on it. We did, and he took us, and the world for a ride. Bush has thrown America's trust in the trash can, along with our world image... It's time to retrieve it from the refuse bin, and polish it back off again, and put someone in office that the world, and America, will trust more than Bush.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:07 PM
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Slank...

Wont stand up to Corporate america???

What are you talking about. How much did George Bush make in personal income last year?
How much did John Kerry make? Now you tell me who would more likely support corporate america?



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:12 PM
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Dawnstar, I am wondering that too.
Maybe there are just some things coming down the pike that can't be avoided.

Peak Oil.
Social Security bust.
No border security.

Funny thing. Terrorism might be lower on the list of major problems.

If John F. Kerry is elected i hope he lightens up on his healthcare plan.
Maybe get all children covered or something.
Euthanasia for the rest of us.

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posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:15 PM
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George Bush reminds me of a guy who is straight talkin, straight shootin kinda guy you feel that you can trust.



This I really don't agree with. Have you seen the guy talk? No matter how serious the topic of discussion this guy smirks like an idiot. I, along with nearly everyone in the middle east, feel that his whole manner is untrustworthy. Cheney just looks evil.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:19 PM
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spineless ( P ) Pronunciation Key (spnls)
. . 1. Lacking courage or willpower.
. . 2. Biology.
. . . . . 1. Having no spiny processes.
. . . . . 2. Lacking a spinal column; invertebrate.

What Corporate wish list didn't he fulfill azheat?
What spending bill did he veto?

wait a moment while i do the math . . .

*muttering* "zero plus zero equals . . . "

"ZERO!"

What heavily armed countries did we go to war with?

*muttering* "zero plus zero equals . . . "

"ZERO!"
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posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 01:26 PM
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people identify themselves into what they watch on tv. big brother has gone inside. this is why bush will probably win. it is BECAUSE he is an idiot. people want the world, and hence their president, to be SIMPLE. our brains are squeezed to the limit with information overload.
nobody cares how capable, really, a president is. they only care how they identify with him as being a television projection of themselves. there are more bushes than kerrys in america, therefore, kerry will lose.
.....not to mention that it's all rigged to go off that way.
i want to be wrong.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:04 PM
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true, idiots with power will destroy oud world sooner or later...if it ain't bush someone else will



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:09 PM
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Well if we take in consideration that war presidents usually don't do good on re-elections I will said you are right he may not win at all, just like his father.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:16 PM
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Win what? The popular vote or the electorial vote?

I don't think the two will necessarily go hand in hand with either candidate again this year.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:26 PM
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I listened to the debate on radio and I,m not voting for either candidate. They both are going to do nothing about the illegal alien problem and because of this I'll for for a third party.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:44 PM
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"Yes, but he went to war on the SOLE premise that Iraq was unlawfully hiding such weapons. When this proved to be false, it made the entire war illegal. I too bought the rhetoric. I had faith that if the President of the US was telling me he had them, that he had them... Such faith was misplaced."

British intel, U.S. intel, Egyptian intel, etc...all said the same thing. Dont monday morning quarterback it. I believe the real reason was the oil for food scandal. AND...Saddams behavior raised more questions about whether he had WMD or not. He bluffed and then got his a$$ kicked. Keep in mind that if Russia, China, France and Germany werent on the take and Saddam knew that OUR supposed Allies meant business...this whole war wouldnt be an issue. But they were on the take.

"Hardly a surprise to us here...we know they were in bed with Saddam."

So your OK with our Allies and the UN undermining sanctions that were set when the first gulf war ended. Its ok to line the pockets of Saddam so he can support terrorists? It's ok for our once sworn enemies to illegally buy oil, sell arms and import/export goods for the benefit of a dictator?

"How, when the head fox is already in a cage?"

By head fox I assume you mean Saddam...He wasnt in a cage. How long do you think he was to remain in a cage when we was getting rich off of the Oil for food monies and he was gaining support from the corrupt UN and other nations? Your wrong...He was being given the keys to the locks on that cage.

"Neither has Bush, and Bush went AWOL!"

Wrong, Bush did sign the form 180, Kerry hasnt. Enough with the AWOL bit. He served and the false documents that CBS came up with didnt work. He served and just because he wasnt called up, no big deal. I have a bigger problem with Kerry claiming to be a war hero and then bashing the rest of us when he got back. Remember, Bush served over 5 years, Kerry did 4 months and was released under dubious circumstances.

"Like many, he has not voted, or voted for a Bill, even if disagreeing with some of it, in order to get into law (for the important points) and then nitpick at it later. This is common, and part of the system. The Bush camp attempts to use this to show flip-flopping..."

I believe if your a public servant, you had better make a stand for something. You obviously havent seen or reviewed his senate record. There is a very good reason that career politicians dont win elections...they have a public record that EVERYONE CAN LOOK AT. If you took the time to review his voting record and look at his career...you wouldnt be as impressed as you seem to be.

"If anything, the media has been "pro-Bush" even roasting one of their own who went against him..."

I cant believe you can say that with a straight face...but maybe you didnt, I couldnt see you. Have you seen any of the major news networks pick up on the stories of the day. No, everything you see is whats wrong with Iraq, the economy, etc. No one, not you, not major news outlets are asking the hard questions of John Kerry. George Bush cant hide, he has been in the spotlight since day one. I can see your blindness or unwillingness to consider I'm right about media bias.

"He came into the office with a budget SURPLUS, and has made this into a HUGE DEFICIT in just 4 years! The biggest bad turnaround in US history! He is also the first president in decades to actually LOSE jobs! Oil prices are through the roof, and you don't think the economy is suffering?"

Wrong again...the surplus you bring up was a PROJECTION over 10 years. There was never a TRILLION dollar+ surplus. The huge deficit is also a product of paying for many of the social programs and liabilities we have as a society. Nevermind the airline bailouts after 9/11. As for oil prices, the war in iraq, the storms in the mexican gulf, etc are the reasons for high oil prices. Keep in mind that Europe and other nations pay twice what we do, so OUR prices are NOT through the roof. As far as losing jobs...our unemployment rate is the same when Clinton was in office...go figure. Dont use political talking points to state your position.

"Unlike Bush, I don't consider multi-million dollar companies to be "small" businesses...."

You keep talking about "multi-million dollar companies...", I run a small business that makes about 2.2 mil. a year, but I'm still a small business. I have 5 employees...still a small business. Get off the BUSH for big business bandwagon. You know that John Kerry / Teresa Kerry made 6.8 mill. last year and paid taxes of about 13%. Bush made $680K(approx) and paid at 30%...now who do you think is BIG BUSINESS. The democratic ticket is loaded with a career politician and an ambulance chaser and your taking about multi million dollar companies. Give me a break...Again...do your homework and forget the liberal talking points. Geez....

"And Bush's isn't???"

Bush didnt claim to be a war hero. No one that I know of came forward to dispute his record...oh yeah, Dan Rather did with FAKE DOCUMENTS. Keep in mind that Bush did his time. You sound like a Clinton fan and I'm guilty, I voted for him the first time...but come on...he is a certified draft dodger. I agree it doesnt matter, but dont claim that your "...reporting for duty" and then not release your records so we can see the truth.

"It's rather easy to explain. We hate having an ignorant hick who's borderline retarded (despite his paid for Ivy League degree) representing our nation to the world."

Talking points...your age (lack of) is showing through. Yeah, he's an ignorant hick...who somehow became a 2 term governor and current president. What does it say that 50% of america will vote for him? He probably wont win, but many will vote for him. If he really is a dumb hick, he really pulled one out of the hat...wouldnt you agree?


"Yes, but his decisions also make him out to be an idiot... Besides, don't you want your representative to the world to be a good speaker? It's kind of an important aspect of the job, not to be downplayed...."

No, I dont care how he speaks, I only care about the content of what he says. I only care about what he actually does, not about what he promises. I dont want a slick talking politician, with empty promises and dreams. You sound like a kid that puts $2000 wheels on a $500 car, its all flash, no substance. I still dont know what Kerry stands for...and you cant possibly know either.

"You dare mention trust? We did trust him. He said there were unlawful WMD in Iraq, and asked us to go along with him on it. We did, and he took us, and the world for a ride. Bush has thrown America's trust in the trash can, along with our world image... It's time to retrieve it from the refuse bin, and polish it back off again, and put someone in office that the world, and America, will trust more than Bush."

Dont worry about what the world thinks about you...its pathetic. Dont worry, your guy will be in office soon. By the way, when do you get out of college?



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 02:58 PM
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Dont use your inadequecies as a reason to bash BIG BUSINESS. This hippie rhetoric is old. If you want to wallow in your median lifestyle your whole life, thats your choice. Dont bash people who actually make money, who actually keep people employed. Your obviously a Kerry supporter and I'm surprised that no one wants to see his tax records...you know he hasnt released them. Do you know why? Because he and his wife made millions and didnt pay near enough taxes. If you should be bashing anyone its Kerry, he represents that old adage and the mantra of the Democratic party...."Judgment for thee, but not for me." Now go to the park and kick your hackysack around, play frisbee golf and have a latte. I need to get to work making my millions so I can pay for YOUR medical insurance and to subsidize your failure to plan for YOUR future (social security)



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 03:00 PM
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Sorry for the style...more of a RANT. Typing while at work...



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 03:04 PM
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Azheat,

stop bashing Gazrok. She's an excellent interlocutor and at least as intelligent as you. Plus, I believe she graduated from college a while ago.

Also... The US didn't uphold the UN authority in this. According to senior UN officials, the resolution used by the US as a pretext, did not contain in itself such provision and only mention the possibility that the UN takes further action (not the US itself).

Bush just isn't trustworthy, period. And, while you are bashing the "allies" (France etc) and then say why should the US care about what other countries think -- isn't there a huge gap in logic here? If you want trustworthy allies, behave yourself. Otherwise prepare to be distrusted.




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