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U.S. Borders... A huge Problem / Illegal Immigration - How Would You Fix It ?

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posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 06:38 PM
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Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
Guns and Soldiers. If you see an illegal coming across, shoot to kill. That sends the right message and it keeps our hospitals from going broke because of emergency room costs for those uninsured illegals as well as it keeps the schools from being over crowded and from going broke. It's pretty easy, just need people to quit being whimps and do what is necessary.
If an illegal is caught here in the states, you deport them, second time around, you execute them.


Think of the revenue possibilities in the organ donor market. Heck, a wholesale slaughter at the border could balance the budget and eventually start paying down the National Debt in kidneys alone. GLN, there is always a silver lining, you just have to open your eyes to see it.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 08:04 PM
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Call me brutal but...

I would have a death penalty for any Illegal alliens. Seriously, death - and quickly. Make a swift background check to make sure they are not legal and then shoot them.

That would wake these people up.

Next I would put a very large wall - probably larger then the great wal of China along out boarder. I would then have air patroles over them and have land mines all over the place by the boarder.

Literally make it too dangerous to risk.

This may sound extreme, but you know what - it would work. They would be too scared to come over eause they would know that there is a very good chance they would die.

Now, I cant wait to hear the reply....



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 08:05 PM
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Wow - i didn't read any of the response, but it actually looks like some people agree with me.



posted on Oct, 14 2004 @ 08:14 PM
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Originally posted by kessel



We fix it like they did in the old days.


with that kind of thinking its amazing people hate America ...


Hate us so much that millions of them come here illegally every year.

I don't want a bunch of Mexicant's coming to Amrica and taking hand outs. It's time for this to end, by any means needed.


kix

posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:12 AM
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Just to shut up some ignorance.

In Mexico is a federal Crime to hire KNOWLINGLY or UNKNOWINgLY illegals, and is punishable as a federal offense with 4 to 8 years in prison, and a large fine.
Hence other illegal inmigrants from over 30 countries have the hardest of times SURVIVING the trip to the US, and they use "polleros" that charge up to 5000 USD$ for person......I mean they die get mugged, robbed, harrased and deported (A NIGHTMARE)

The problem is too complex to try to solve it with bullets, walls or just deportation... for once a third of the US territorry was mexican so youd be surprised how many of my fellow citizens think they are really in Mexican territory, ignorance can be found on both sides of the border, but trying to solve it unilaterally will NEVER WORK....my 2 cents.


IBM

posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:19 AM
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I would build a concrete barrier with Constantina wire all on top of it and employ more use of the cyclops stations. I might even give an all year hunting license close to the border to the hunters so that they can take care of some of the problem and alleviate the Border Patrol. The wire might even be electrified. If they made it across the main wall, there would be doberman units housed every so many miles. Just in case they got passed the rabid dogs, I would have sniper towers with one million candlepower flood lights to turn the night into day.


Originally posted by kix
Just to shut up some ignorance.

In Mexico is a federal Crime to hire KNOWLINGLY or UNKNOWINgLY illegals, and is punishable as a federal offense with 4 to 8 years in prison, and a large fine.
Hence other illegal inmigrants from over 30 countries have the hardest of times SURVIVING the trip to the US, and they use "polleros" that charge up to 5000 USD$ for person......I mean they die get mugged, robbed, harrased and deported (A NIGHTMARE)

The problem is too complex to try to solve it with bullets, walls or just deportation... for once a third of the US territorry was mexican so youd be surprised how many of my fellow citizens think they are really in Mexican territory, ignorance can be found on both sides of the border, but trying to solve it unilaterally will NEVER WORK....my 2 cents.



HAHA walls dont work? Does your house have walls? Obviously they work for they keep you private. If your house does not have walls please feel free to correct me.


Originally posted by kessel



We fix it like they did in the old days.


with that kind of thinking its amazing people hate America ...


If people hate America, then why are the illegals crosssing it? Maybe they hate their own country.

[edit on 15-10-2004 by IBM]



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:34 AM
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Originally posted by kix
... for once a third of the US territorry was mexican so youd be surprised how many of my fellow citizens think they are really in Mexican territory


A third? Actually less, and that was Spanish Territory first, in the Treaty of Hidalgo, the newly defeated Mexican Government was granted lands north of Mexico City to the present border because the United States just didn't want vast tracts of desert land. Learn your history, you lost the war, and that's why the Marine Corps hymm has the words "From the Halls of Monteczuma"...

And don't claim that "Asstlan" was real, even MECHA has had to admit that it was a fairy tail thought up by a Socialist Mexican Professor working at Cal State Northridge in order to further his political agenda.



snagltooth
We need imagrants from Mexico

No we don't, not at all, and there is no rational, political, economic, social, scientific or other form of argument that you can make to support that statement.


[edit on 15-10-2004 by Chuck Stevenson]

[edit on 15-10-2004 by Chuck Stevenson]



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:34 AM
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two words....

LAND MINES



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:44 AM
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Originally posted by kix
Just to shut up some ignorance.

In Mexico is a federal Crime to hire KNOWLINGLY or UNKNOWINgLY illegals, and is punishable as a federal offense with 4 to 8 years in prison, and a large fine.
Hence other illegal inmigrants from over 30 countries have the hardest of times SURVIVING the trip to the US, and they use "polleros" that charge up to 5000 USD$ for person......I mean they die get mugged, robbed, harrased and deported (A NIGHTMARE)

The problem is too complex to try to solve it with bullets, walls or just deportation... for once a third of the US territorry was mexican so youd be surprised how many of my fellow citizens think they are really in Mexican territory, ignorance can be found on both sides of the border, but trying to solve it unilaterally will NEVER WORK....my 2 cents.


Sorry, but the problem is mexicans themselves. Not all of them clearly, but the ones who jump the boarder to get their worthless lazy hands on all of our free money.

IMHO, t is very easy to fix.

Kill them when they try to come over. Kill them when they are caught.

Legally, they are invading the US when they breach our boarders.

Simply put, when they start seeing that they will be killed trying to come over they will stop.



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 04:53 AM
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according to Matt Savinar there was an agreement between US and Mexico, that if USA was to get Mexican oil then US would "wear" the illegals.

The US is that desperate and reliant on the stuff, and it is running out. (faster now that China and India are consuming)



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 05:24 AM
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Im not mexican nore have I ever lived in mexico .That said
Bet you guys listen to your moms and eat your veges every day dont you? well once when I was realy young and despret I went to a peach camp in georga to pick peaches . There you get 20 cents per bushel of peaches you pick . A bushel is about fifty pounds the size of a mid sized garbage bag.
needless to say on a good day I was lucky to make ten $ .The only thing that kept people alive was they put you in rooms (I cant call it housing lol
and fead you.( well sortive Hope you like grul.most of u wouldent feed that stuff to your dog.
The point here is NO ONE and I mean no one in there right mind would ever do this job. And if the farmer rasied the wages high enough even to minum wage thoes peaches would be 5$ a peach in the stors now think of this .
Minum wage for all farm labers . can of peas 10$ apple 5$ peach 5$ can of beans 5$ and so one just about EVER vege would be priced very very high over night.
So kill the illagels hu? you going to pick the veges? O ps once the illagel is leagel he goes and works at a gas station even he wont pick veges if hes leagel. The only way anyone will do this work is if they have NO other choices.
so untill some one can revolutionize the farming inderstry so all Crops are picked like corn is theres no aterntive .
corn is picked with huge combines im sure you have seen photos.
Pss with out farm substeds even corn and bread would cost twice as much.
The people who supply the food you eat are the ones who are the poorest and farthest in deat in the country .
so you go buy you candy bar and dont worry about the 10 cents and hour the guy was payed to pick the beans .
Ps lived on a old style working farm as a kid in pa so I know these things.



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 06:35 AM
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Just wondering, just how many peaches can you pick in an hour? Since, if the assumption that raising the wage up to minimum would cause the price of the peach to go up to $5......almost the entire cost of having that one person work for an hour of time......guess you can't pick alot of peaches in an hour, hmmm......

as far as walls being built, well, please remember, walls can be used to keep people in this country, also??


We've had a bunch of arabs come into our country, train in our schools, and then hijack our planes and fly them into our buildings. I'm just wondering, how many arabs are still in our schools and universities, training to be doctors, and well, what are the chances of any of them being terrorists, planning on killing our people with their "medical treatments"?
I think you could build your walls fifty feet tall, and with policies like ours, the door would still be wide open for those who really wish to harm us to come into our country, solicit and get our assistance in killing us. Mexucans just want to come into our country and make a little money, and we have the laws in place to send them on their way out of this country.....we don't chose to enforce them.

Personally, I like the idea of hiring the mexicans, to help patrol our borders, and offering bonus rewards for each person caught not from the No. American, and So. American continents. Heck, send the arabs out of our universities and home and train the mexicans to be doctors! If yours going to do nation building....start with mexico, help them build new healthy economy and better way of life...then, why would they want to come here?


kix

posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 10:06 AM
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Originally posted by Simcity4Rushour
Im not mexican nore have I ever lived in mexico .That said
Bet you guys listen to your moms and eat your veges every day dont you? well once when I was realy young and despret I went to a peach camp in georga to pick peaches . There you get 20 cents per bushel of peaches you pick . A bushel is about fifty pounds the size of a mid sized garbage bag.
needless to say on a good day I was lucky to make ten $ .The only thing that kept people alive was they put you in rooms (I cant call it housing lol
and fead you.( well sortive Hope you like grul.most of u wouldent feed that stuff to your dog.
The point here is NO ONE and I mean no one in there right mind would ever do this job. And if the farmer rasied the wages high enough even to minum wage thoes peaches would be 5$ a peach in the stors now think of this .
Minum wage for all farm labers . can of peas 10$ apple 5$ peach 5$ can of beans 5$ and so one just about EVER vege would be priced very very high over night.
So kill the illagels hu? you going to pick the veges? O ps once the illagel is leagel he goes and works at a gas station even he wont pick veges if hes leagel. The only way anyone will do this work is if they have NO other choices.
so untill some one can revolutionize the farming inderstry so all Crops are picked like corn is theres no aterntive .
corn is picked with huge combines im sure you have seen photos.
Pss with out farm substeds even corn and bread would cost twice as much.
The people who supply the food you eat are the ones who are the poorest and farthest in deat in the country .
so you go buy you candy bar and dont worry about the 10 cents and hour the guy was payed to pick the beans .
Ps lived on a old style working farm as a kid in pa so I know these things.


I was pretty mad at some remarks said here but your post is wonderful !!!! you beat me to it and it makes a perfect example of the complexity of the problem.
Also It makes clear WHY the US goverment has not changed its policies that much.

on other topics and to answer some "questions"

Yes my house has walls, and my standard of living is higher that that of the "average US citizen" (just because I live in a third world country doesnt mean I am poor or uneducated) and before you retort with some innane coments I used to live in San Francisco so I know exactly what I am Missing and what I am gaining.
Have you heard of tunnels?
you can make a little tunel and pass under the highest most gusrded WALL EVER, the US border is filled with Tunels on wich they pass inmigrans and DRUGS for you millions of users, but I guess you dont know this you are too busy watching FOX and Rush....

Also the migrants for oil deal is a rumor that has been circulating since the 80�s so with 2.5 mbp of oil each day and tons of natural gas going to the US every day is just not a LETS CLOSE IT DOWN simple.

And dont get me wrong WE Mexicans depend a lot on US economy and well being so its a weird simbiosis if you like.
and finally the war of 1947 was not a WAR was an INVASION by the US, it was later declared war and by 1848 the ordeal was over... If you like you can compare with the invasion of Kuwait by Saddam, it as a lame excuse and then the invasion, too bad that it was poblated by mexicans and founded by mexicans, hence most southern cities and parts have the original Mexican names, even some avenues like "alameda de las pulgas" in South San francisco " El camino Real etc etc...
Youd be surprised of the ammount of spanish that can be heard in the south part of the US.... ah by the way All California, part of Oregon, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, like GWB said "Do the math"...



posted on Oct, 15 2004 @ 01:03 PM
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I kind of agree with the people who say shoot them on site. But thats abit to harsh just for crossing a border. Israel has had good success with there wall, But the US/Mexico border is MUCH LARGER. More and more illigals and grugs are being tunnels to the US, so if they have a tunnel thats several miles long and 25 ft deep, Whats a wall gonna do?

I dont think a wall is the answer, We need more UAV's patroling the border, and preferrable armed ones. If we started killing them then they would understand that we dont want them here, and they can try to get in but they could be blown up.

Also, I think that no matter how long they have being living in the US, if they are here Illegaly, then they should be sent back to there native country. This isn't just about Mexicans either, I'm talking to everyone, and I hate the fact that if a Cuba citizen gets on a boat and makes it to the Continential United States, that we cant touch them, and they can stay. If I were in charge that would change in a heart beat.

I also dont think they should get driver license either, because thats basically letting them have privaliges, which they dont deserve. They should get a green card and try to become a US citizen, we let thousands live here, so why not just try the legal way. The president needs to be alot stricter on our borders, and shipping yards. There have being several good improvments but its no where near enough.

I would also support Land mines being used. that would be a very cheap yet effective way to deter Illegals. As long as they know where the land mines are. I'm not talking about each one, just have a sign that says something like Wanring, Land Mines, through-out the next mile, so that way they have a choice, stay in Mexico, or try and step in the right places, which I would have so many mines that the chances would be like 1 in every 10,000 make it to the US.



posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by GrndLkNatv
Guns and Soldiers.


I believe that this would be the best approach. A manned out post, 1/2 mile apart, with two 50 cal. machine guns and grenade launchers.

Have the posts closer in the easy access spots.

I woundn't shoot to kill, just fire warning shots and if anyone gets hit, then they should have not walked into the way of a firing zone.

A wall spanning the southern border would be too costly versus its effectiveness.

[edit on 16/10/04 by Intelearthling]



posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 08:32 AM
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How about automated sentry guns?
maybe pollitically correst sentry guns with rubber bullets would be more approprite, minus the cases of severe internal trauma and bleeding



posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 09:59 AM
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So kill the illagels hu? you going to pick the veges? O ps once the illagel is leagel he goes and works at a gas station even he wont pick veges if hes leagel. The only way anyone will do this work is if they have NO other choices.


The problem is that illegals are purchasing social security cards and they ARE getting more choices. A few years ago I hird a Nanny through one of the most highly known and respected Domestic Help Agencies in the Country. My FIRST question was if these people they were sending me to interview were legal. They assured me they were and that they did 'thorough' background checks.

I hired a Nanny and after 2 weeks of working for me, as she was leaving for the day she told me her story of how she paid $5,000 to get across the border and then went up to L.A. where she was able to get a social security card for another $2,000. She then went on to ask me if she could borrow $500 because she had to send it down to Mexico to a friend that wanted to move here. I told her I didn't have the the money to loan her and called the agency. I could not reach anyone in the agency as it was after hours and the receptionist didn't consider it an emergency.

The following day the Nanny did not show up for work and didn't call. The agency said that there was nothing they could do other than send me another Nanny to interview since this one seemed to have quit without notice. They were not concerned with the story she told me and said that they hear the same story a lot, they know that many of their employees are not legal but they are well within the law because the employees have social security cards. I told them I did NOT want another Nanny from their agency since they could not guarantee me that their Nannys were legal and I demanded that they refund the $750 fee that they charged me. They refused.

There are MANY employers throughout the company that do the EXACT thing that this company does. It is not acceptable and it is encouraging illegals to continue crossing the borders. Illegals know what the minimum requirements are to get a job and they buy their papers on the streets. They are not limited to the veggie fields.

Jemison


LL1

posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 06:06 PM
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Make MEX a commonwealth like Puerto Rico.

Mexico has oil, this way it will benefit all of us, we gain oil, we gain taxes. They are coming here, mostly poor and uneducated, and will continue to come here taxing our resources at the borders, in the hospitals, in the schools anyway, why not make it legal, real legal.
Rich Mexicans are not border hopping, attempting to get away from a bad situation.
Big industry (biggest welfare cheats) go there for tax breaks this way they well be taxed accordingly. Read labels, look were most products are made.

The border is so porous anyway might as well consider it a state...



posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 07:07 PM
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You know why illegals come to this country? Its because of the economical and freedom advantages they can get. Yes its illegal for them to come, but unless you were native American than our all anscetors were immigrants. You know before you can solve a problem, you must put yourself in their shoes, instead of saying shoot to kill like i have read on some posts. Poor man comes to America to make 5.15 a hour instead of 50 cents a hour in Mexico, so he can feed his family! You want to stop immigrant than America needs to step up for workers rights all across the world. We need to get a international minium wage, if we can make there workplaces better,safer, and they pay I gurantee you will see a huge drop in illegal immigrants. We can take this idea to the UN, I know what you are all thinking the UN is a joke, but thats because we made it that way. We plea our case, and get a international passed, because its a human right for minium wage and better working conditions.



posted on Oct, 16 2004 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by kix
and finally the war of 1947 was not a WAR was an INVASION by the US, it was later declared war and by 1848 the ordeal was over...
spanish that can be heard in the south part of the US.... ah by the way All California, part of Oregon, New Mexico, Arizona, Texas, like GWB said "Do the math"...


1836 -- Texas wins independence from Mexico.
1848 -- Mexican War ends. United States acquires almost half of Mexico's lands, including New Mexico, in Treaty of Guadalupe de Hidalgo.
1853 -- Gadsden Purchase. American acquisition from Mexico of lands in New Mexico, Arizona, and California.

Did we pay for New Mexico twice?


And they were originally SPANISH territories under the control of the Spanish Royalty.




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