"Entitlement" Evolution

The Powers That Be have continued to suppress our world generation after generation. Humanity naturally fights back however!

In America....

in the 1950s the man worked and the housewife stayed at home in a subserviant position
in the 1960s people started fighting the system with music and drugs and a more open culture
in the 1970s Women's Lib started fighting against the system as well
in the 1980s we sorta drifted off into a zombie, war mode with Gen X...

but take a look at NOW.

Our world is dominated by extreme Capitalism and war. America is a solid Empire attacking whomever it wants. The world operates solely by money - you don't play their game - you starve!

ENTITLEMENT is a natural human evolution to fight the extreme controls we see right now. Humanity has come forth with a generation of people who will simply not take 'no' for an answer. They want freedom! They will fight when they recognize that no one is going to provide them with everything, and that time will be soon! What will they fight for? A new system of Socialism where everyone IS entitled to food, internet, clean water.

Entitlement is natures way of fighting "the man".

reply to post by Thermo Klein


Everyone is entitled to everything and nothing.

If you want to be entitled to everything, then leave the system completely and everything will be yours. But only all that nature provides. So say goodbye to technology.

If you want to be entitled to nothing but get everything then stay in the system. But you will have to slave for it.

To sum it up. It's just to hard too say no to the current system. Even if people do make a stand, the system will always win in the end.

The only way to end the current system is global economic collapse. Make the decision makers powerless, by taking their money. Money = Power. Only then can we create a new and fair system.

reply to post by DAZ21


right. My point is that this generation of entitled people are going to change the system

I'm not sure I agree with your view of entitlement though. I don't think anyone is entitled to anything and it is a bad mentality to have. You need to work for things. Having a sense of entitlement means that things should just be handed to you. This very mentality has created the situation we are in now. Everyone expects to be given things and as long as they are entertained they go along not caring.

You aren't entitled to what is ethically right, you have to work to achieve this. We the people need to get out of our comfort zones and start working to achieve it. Saying that we are entitled to it, just suggests that we can sit back and wait for someone to give it to us.

reply to post by Thermo Klein


I think, the band "The Explosion" had it down well.

"There's no revolution anymore."

Stay Punk,
Mike

reply to post by Thermo Klein


I hate to say it but I think we took a wrong turn after WW2. During the war women entered the workforce to help in munitions manufacturing and to fill the employment gap created by men going off to war. As you pointed out, women remained in the workforce and their numbers increased in the 1950's.
Before anyone jumps down my throat I need to make clear, I AM NOT BEING CHAUVINISTIC, just making an observation, so please hear me out.
Prior to WW2 men were the bread winners and women devoted their time to raising children and taking care of the household. Wages were based on a standard of living where ONE person per household brought in the money.
All we really did was divide these wages between two people, first it was about 80/20 then 70/30 and so on, today the split is pretty much 50/50.
So now Mom and Dad are both gone, the kids pretty much learn their life lessons from television and the internet and the job market is saturated, to the point where ten dollars an hour is offered to college graduates, IF they can find a job.

I think for the past five years or so the Conservative Right has pushed this idea down our throats that Entitlement = laziness. I don't really agree; I think it goes much deeper than that.

I'm a hard worker, have a job and a Master's degree, etc, but deep-down feel that the people of our world are entitled to clean water, clean(ish) air, food, medical treatment. These shouldn't have to be worked for, they should be part of an advanced society.

"Entitlement" is still in the process of attaining a meme, or social meaning.

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
I think for the past five years or so the Conservative Right has pushed this idea down our throats that Entitlement = laziness. I don't really agree; I think it goes much deeper than that.

I'm a hard worker, have a job and a Master's degree, etc, but deep-down feel that the people of our world are entitled to clean water, clean(ish) air, food, medical treatment. These shouldn't have to be worked for, they should be part of an advanced society.

"Entitlement" is still in the process of attaining a meme, or social meaning.

edit on 15-8-2012 by Thermo Klein because: (no reason given)

Exactly, like I said, if you leave the system then you are entitled free water.

The first man sure didn't have to pay for it. It was free.

reply to post by DAZ21


but what if the status quo became "we want a system that provides" instead of extreme Capitalism/survival of the "fittest". If enough people, with enough communication and technology fight the same fight, things will change.

Leaving the system was our choice in the early 80s maybe... if you wanted to go live on a farm or something. Leaving isn't even an option anymore. We are entrained to technology - so what to do? change the system to meet our "entitled" needs!

Originally posted by DAZ21

Originally posted by Thermo Klein
I think for the past five years or so the Conservative Right has pushed this idea down our throats that Entitlement = laziness. I don't really agree; I think it goes much deeper than that.

I'm a hard worker, have a job and a Master's degree, etc, but deep-down feel that the people of our world are entitled to clean water, clean(ish) air, food, medical treatment. These shouldn't have to be worked for, they should be part of an advanced society.

"Entitlement" is still in the process of attaining a meme, or social meaning.

edit on 15-8-2012 by Thermo Klein because: (no reason given)

Exactly, like I said, if you leave the system then you are entitled free water.

The first man sure didn't have to pay for it. It was free.

Free is subjective. The first man may not have paid money for it, but he sure had to put something in to get it. Either making a conscious effort to live near clean water, forage for it, or create it by boiling it.

reply to post by Krazysh0t


Yep, that's true. Now we pay the price for living beyond our means, thus have to pay or die. Literally.

This is because we were born into the system. So we play by the systems rules.

Now if you decided to up and leave it all behind, as long as you know how to find a water supply. You can use it freely.

My first question is what are you entitled to? Everything you want? That not reasonable. As an ideal, everyone is entitled to certain things, as long as you prescribe to that ideal. But you idea of entitlement may be completely different than mine. So as a philosophy, entitlement is pretty weak, but to say you are entitled to certain rights is valid.

And what is so wrong with the current system? It has taken many years to get a society like we have today. What would you prefer? What would you do that is better, blame "the man"? We all are the man, man.
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reply to post by DAZ21


Looking back through history, which system would you like to be born into? One where everyone empties their waste buckets in the middle of the street and everyone is treated like crap (middle ages)? How about one where you worshipped your ruler as a god and had no say in your life at all (most ancient civilizations)? There's always industrial age Britain where you can live your whole life in the most God awful polluted air ever and everything is covered in soot.

My point is that history is full of leaders either allowing their citizens to live in hell holes or outright forcing them to. Americans worked to achieve our liberties over 300 years ago. Right now we are letting our politicians walk all over them. These liberties aren't entitled, if our forefathers had to work to achieve them, so too can we work to reachieve them. Yes, things like clean water should be something that every human should receive, but that isn't the way the world works. It never worked like that. If you want it you have to work for it. All saying that we are entitled to something suggests is that we can sit around saying that we should get it and when we don't we whine about it.

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
reply to post by DAZ21

 

Looking back through history, which system would you like to be born into? One where everyone empties their waste buckets in the middle of the street and everyone is treated like crap (middle ages)? How about one where you worshipped your ruler as a god and had no say in your life at all (most ancient civilizations)? There's always industrial age Britain where you can live your whole life in the most God awful polluted air ever and everything is covered in soot.

My point is that history is full of leaders either allowing their citizens to live in hell holes or outright forcing them to. Americans worked to achieve our liberties over 300 years ago. Right now we are letting our politicians walk all over them. These liberties aren't entitled, if our forefathers had to work to achieve them, so too can we work to reachieve them. Yes, things like clean water should be something that every human should receive, but that isn't the way the world works. It never worked like that. If you want it you have to work for it. All saying that we are entitled to something suggests is that we can sit around saying that we should get it and when we don't we whine about it.

Spot on. Which is exactly the mentality of the elite, who rule the world. The system can change. It's called meritocracy over democracy. When you have the greatest minds controlling the world for the good of the people, instead of themselves, then you will see how much more advanced we would be and petty problems like this will be a thing of the past.

Our current system is based on profit and greed. So of course they will make us pay for necessities. Think about it.

reply to post by DAZ21


If you don't pay for necessities how do you get them? Welfare? Then you don't pay for them, someone else does. What freedoms are we missing? The right to have things given to us? What would work better than capitalism, socialism? A properly functioning democracy were you can't buy career politicians would be better than a social state. In my opinion.

reply to post by DAZ21


Ah yes, but the ideal system can never be achieved because people are greedy and selfish by nature. One of the reasons we are where we are, is because of checks imposed to limit the greed and selfishness. Soon everyone is jumping through hoops just to go about their day. I mean we wouldn't need laws against murder, stealing, etc if there wasn't people who did those things.

The root of the problem is corruption/decay. It effects everything. As the system gets older, people come around that learn the system and all the little holes in it. They start to take advantage of those holes. The holes then become more well known and more people start to exploit them. Eventually it becomes the norm and is so ingrained in the society that removing the hole would cause more problems. Repeat ad infinitum.

When this happens it falls on the people to work to reachieve what they started with to begin with. Achieving necessities has and forever will require blood, sweat, and tears. It isn't entitled at all.

Originally posted by Krazysh0t
reply to post by DAZ21

 

Ah yes, but the ideal system can never be achieved because people are greedy and selfish by nature. One of the reasons we are where we are.

I have to disagree. Some are greedy, not all. It is the greedy that rule the world, and created our consumerism ridden society, creating the illusion that the population is greedy. The fact is, there is no other way to live under our current system, other than to be a consumer and play the game.

reply to post by DAZ21


Well it's only logical that the people with the most stuff end up controlling everything. The greedy work to collect everything and the non-greedy sit by and let them. In the end the non-greedy end up getting put under the greedy, because they have all the stuff. This is what revolutions are for.

reply to post by Thermo Klein

right. My point is that this generation of entitled people are going to change the system

aint gonna happen that way.

What's going to change the world is Unification and selflessness (which means letting go of some entitlement)

I just had a talk with 18 year old cousin whom I just met at a wedding a few months ago.(didnt even know he existed) He said that he see's in his generation that alot of kids are dropping all the labels, all the BS, all the programming, and coming together and asking, "How can we change this old crusty system for the better."

They want the banking system, the ego/entitlement brainwashing, the MSM jersey shore 16 & pregant channels, and all the corruption destroyed and replaced and their actually brainstorming on how to do it.

There was a show recently 20 under 20, where there is this program which gives you a 100k+ grant and you spend 2 years working on a certain project, however you don't go to any college for these 2 years. And a bunch of kids are breaking the standards of going straight to college after high school, to join this program to work together for change.

If you want to break this down even more, we can even say that lets say Atheism is true (as it is the popular choice in the scientific community) then we are no different than the animals in nature where it's kill or be killed survival of the fittest. In nature there are no entitlements.

If we are just a bunch of animals with neuron synapses and chemicals dictating all of life, then there is no such thing as entitlements besides survival of the Fittest.

We are seeing what that does now. An experiment of Survival of the fittest is the current western experiment in Capitalism where the bottom line ____$ is more important than any ethical or moral concern. Hence the housing bubbles, and the derrivitives bubble which is going to collapse the whole global economy eventually.

To me Entitlement is nothing. It's made up. Each individual exist is at the helm of his/her environment and becomes a product of it.

Fortunately, I have had some experiences of a spiritual nature which means I have no choice but to see higher meaning and purpose in Life

reply to post by dominicus


It's funny, as when you have experiences of this kind, nothing else seems to matter as much.

I guess is gives the phrase, "Always look on the bright side of life." A whole new meaning.