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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by camaro68ss
I did look, SS and medicare are not there! there off budget accounts
Look under health care. Medicaire is listed under senior medical services.
Under pensions, SS is listed as "Old Age". What a horrible name.
Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by queenannie38
The reason our economy is crumbling is very simple: The government spends entirely too damn much of our money on BS - and - their policies are killing rather than creating jobs. They are spending increasingly more money while destroying the very people and entities that provide that money via taxes; this is completely unsustainable.
Whatever number you use for the war’s total cost, it will tower over costs that normally seem prohibitive. Right now, including everything, the war is costing about $200 billion a year.
Treating heart disease and diabetes, by contrast, would probably cost about $50 billion a year. The remaining 9/11 Commission recommendations — held up in Congress partly because of their cost — might cost somewhat less. Universal preschool would be $35 billion. In Afghanistan, $10 billion could make a real difference. At the National Cancer Institute, annual budget is about $6 billion.
Now please justify the reasoning to take away SS and medical programs before we stop spending money on murder?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by camaro68ss
Ok, let's assume that what you say is true.
Now please justify the reasoning to take away SS and medical programs before we stop spending money on murder?
I agree with you seabag. They spend too much.....let's start cutting the spending by bringing the troops home.
Agreed?
Please point to the post where i say we need to spend money on murdering?
Yeah the war budget has some affect on the overall yearly deficit but it’s not as big as your portray here. Estimates I hear for the two wars are in is 1 trillion dollars spent total in the last 10 years.
What the major problems are entitlements! Let me ask you a question. How is Greece going bankrupt and they having little to no army? How is Spain going bankrupt with little to no army? How is Italy going bankrupt with little to no army? It’s because of the entitlement spending. Social security is a Ponzi scheme, Medicare is a ponzi scheme and Obama care will be the same. All these entitlements are paid by the young and use by the old. When Social security started it was 38 people paid into it for every 1 person receiving benefits. Now it’s 3 to 1! Its said there is now more money being withdrawn then deposited into social security. By the year 2030 Social Security will have NO MONEY LEFT!!!
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by camaro68ss
Please point to the post where i say we need to spend money on murdering?
Never claimed that you did.
But you did say this....
Yeah the war budget has some affect on the overall yearly deficit but it’s not as big as your portray here. Estimates I hear for the two wars are in is 1 trillion dollars spent total in the last 10 years.
What the major problems are entitlements! Let me ask you a question. How is Greece going bankrupt and they having little to no army? How is Spain going bankrupt with little to no army? How is Italy going bankrupt with little to no army? It’s because of the entitlement spending. Social security is a Ponzi scheme, Medicare is a ponzi scheme and Obama care will be the same. All these entitlements are paid by the young and use by the old. When Social security started it was 38 people paid into it for every 1 person receiving benefits. Now it’s 3 to 1! Its said there is now more money being withdrawn then deposited into social security. By the year 2030 Social Security will have NO MONEY LEFT!!!
See, you tried to correlate financial problems with the LACK of an army. Thereby insinuating that military spending is good for financial stability and entitlement programs are the real culprit.edit on 10-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by camaro68ss
no its not there. did you just randomly pick these and say there SS and Medicare? Why not just call them SS instead of "old age"
again SS and Medicare are in "trust funds" and not counted in the yearly budget. Educate yourselves people
Exactly my point!
And what is this 'BS' they are spending our money on?
War and military and homeland security and defense and the nuclear program (hidden in the Dept of Energy) and on and on and on...
Originally posted by camaro68ss
you never awnsered my question and im still waiting on where SS and Medicare are on the “public debt” numbers?
The U.S. national public debt consists of two components:
Debt held by the public includes Treasury securities held by investors outside the federal government, including that held by individuals, corporations, the Federal Reserve System and foreign, state and local governments.
Debt held by government accounts or intragovernmental debt mainly includes non-marketable Treasury securities held in accounts administered by the federal government that are owed to program beneficiaries, such as the Social Security Trust Fund. Debt held by government accounts represents the cumulative surpluses, including interest earnings, of these accounts that have been invested in Treasury securities.
And military spending is not good for the economy. your putting words in my mouth that i never said. Im pointing to the fact that intitlements bankrupt countrys.
Originally posted by ctdannyd
reply to post by queenannie38
Very well written and researched. And, I must say I totally agree with all you've said here in these words.
I'm surprised the trolls haven't descended yet!
S & F for a great post!
Originally posted by babybunnies
Cost of war is very high, but you also need to factor in the cost of running the Pentagon (and all the retirement costs), as well as the costs of paying out for weapons systems running late in their development (the Government still pays on time even when contractors are late) and other hidden costs.
I bet $4 trillion is very much on the light side.
Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by queenannie38
Technically there separate accounts but there really not. Remember the hole debt ceiling debacle last year? Remember when Obama said he could not guarantee SS checks would go out if we reached the ceiling. I know, you’re asking yourself that question now, how can that be possible if there two different accounts??? Well your government raided the SS trust fund to pay for their war and pet projects now.
theres no money left. Im paying into a ponzi scheme by force. A ponzi scheme that i will never get to see a cent out of.
you never awnsered my question and im still waiting on where SS and Medicare are on the “public debt” numbers?
And military spending is not good for the economy. your putting words in my mouth that i never said. Im pointing to the fact that intitlements bankrupt countrys.
Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by queenannie38
Technically there separate accounts but there really not. Remember the hole debt ceiling debacle last year? Remember when Obama said he could not guarantee SS checks would go out if we reached the ceiling. I know, you’re asking yourself that question now, how can that be possible if there two different accounts???
Well your government raided the SS trust fund to pay for their war and pet projects now.
theres no money left. Im paying into a ponzi scheme by force. A ponzi scheme that i will never get to see a cent out of.
Originally posted by cloaked4u
The trolls are here. It is mismanaged activities all over the place that will cause our breakdown. The Peoples in greed, The PIG greeder will bring us all down. There are many of them all over the place.