Ohio: Extra Voting Time - For Republicans Only!

reply to post by RealSpoke


You would benefit from a civics class. There was no law broken. The law in Ohio merely delegates the particular counties and designates the membership of those county election boards. Thats it, thats the law.

The counties are free to determine the particulars around voting in those counties. The election boards voted and these are the results. Thats the system, thats the way its supposed to work. Now you may not like the way it works, but thats the law.

The Democrats got played. Clearly they were duped by the Republicans to issue the voter regulations in the order most advantageous to the Republicans and when those orders were issued, with all of the Democrats voting for broader hours, the Republicans stiffed them when it came to the democrat heavy counties. Thats called getting used.

These crybabys in Ohio need to pick-up their dollys and go home.

How typical though. A bunch of Democrats who either have no argument or get out flanked and their failure or incompetence is suddenly due to "racism", "voter supression" or some other bland, over-used word on the part of the Republicans.

I only wish the Republicans in every state had the brains to pull the same thing off.

Liberals are not for the Constitution, nor are they for the republic.

Who wrote the patriot act?

but at least they aren't for socialism

vs fascism?

political terrorism.

Timothy McVeigh?

Less voters = more leverage for conservatives

Paul Weyrich, was the founder of the Heritage Foundation and Free Congress Foundation. Both conservative think tanks

reply to post by dolphinfan


Clearly you don't have any idea what you are talking about. I'm talking about the early voting law that republicans passed which is unconstitutional... You could benefit from a current events class.

I only wish the Republicans in every state had the brains to pull the same thing off.

So you like oligarchys and suppressing peoples votes? You're in the wrong country.

reply to post by RealSpoke


Did you watch the video and then a bit of rearch?

1. The state law delegates the authority to define voting matters and stipulates that the county election boards contain 2 democrats and 2 republicans.
2. To address the problems lf the last election, they came up with a plan to expand voting hours. The republicans agree in concept
3. The republicans orchestrate it such that they vote in the republican counties first. They vote for the expanded hours and all four, both democrats and republicans.
4. Now they vote in the democratic counties. Both democrats on the county board vote to expand the hours and the republicans vote not to.

Thats politics. Unethical? perhaps but no more unethical than making an unsubstantiated claim that Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 yeares or that he gave some woman cancer. This is a presidential election, not an election for a local school board or fraternity chapter president.

Perhaps the democrats might spend a bit of time getting some folks on the election committees who have an ounce of savvy rather than attempting to cover their incompetence by claiming that its all some grand scheme being orchestrated by a Grand Wizard to disenfranchise minorities.

reply to post by dolphinfan


* I was speaking on a separate issue than what the video discusses NOT THE VIDEO*

I'm was talking about the early voting LAW republicans passed in Ohio that takes away early voting for everyone but active military. It is unconstitutional as it gives special privilege to one class over the other. Ohio had early voting for a reason, in 2004 the lines were up to 8 hours long.

Here is an ATS thread about it www.abovetopsecret.com...

The issue in the OP video just makes republicans even more pathetic. Romney really must have no support if they are going to one extreme after another.

On Election Day 2004, long lines and widespread electoral dysfunctional marred the results of the presidential election in Ohio, whose electoral votes ended up handing George W. Bush a second term. “The misallocation of voting machines led to unprecedented long lines that disenfranchised scores, if not hundreds of thousands, of predominantly minority and Democratic voters,” found a post-election report by Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee. According to one survey, 174,000 Ohioans, 3 percent of the electorate, left their polling place without voting because of the interminable wait. (Bush won the state by only 118,000 votes).

After 2004, Ohio reformed its electoral process by adding thirty-five days of early voting before Election Day, which led to a much smoother voting experience in 2008. The Obama campaign used this extra time to successfully mobilize its supporters, building a massive lead among early voters than John McCain could not overcome on Election Day.

In response to the 2008 election results, Ohio Republicans drastically curtailed the early voting period in 2012 from thirty-five to eleven days, with no voting on the Sunday before the election, when African-American churches historically rally their congregants to go to the polls. (Ohio was one of five states to cut back on early voting since 2010.) Voting rights activists subsequently gathered enough signatures to block the new voting restrictions and force a referendum on Election Day. In reaction, Ohio Republicans repealed their own bill in the state legislature, but kept a ban on early voting three days before Election Day (a period when 93,000 Ohioans voted in 2008), adding an exception for active duty members of the military, who tend to lean Republican. (The Obama campaign is now challenging the law in court, seeking to expand early voting for all Ohioans).

www.thenation.com...
www.cnn.com...

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Unfortunately, not many Republicans or Right Leaning people on ATS will come out against this...even though it is blatant voter suppression.

Yup. The same people that complained about Romney stealing Ron Pauls votes will look the other way for this.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


This is wrong and everyone should be outraged. Unfortunately I bet most liberals here are just as bad as the Republicans and support Obama's effort to revoke voting priviledges to the military. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the Republicans response to the Obama's lawsuit. Both parties are wrong.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Unfortunately, not many Republicans or Right Leaning people on ATS will come out against this...even though it is blatant voter suppression.

What they will do is try to justify it...by saying that somehow this is ok because they have to combat the voter fraud (that isn't happening) being committed by the left.

Ohio is important this year...not a surprise they are trying to suppress the vote.

Any American should be outraged by this...but I doubt that is going to happen. The tri-corner hats are going to look the other way.

edit on 10-8-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)

Well unlike you who is hypocritical when things support Liberals (birthers vs taxers), I am here to prove you wrong. Mitt Romney will certainly be getting my vote, and I find this disgusting. Just like I find the Obama lawsuit in Ohio without merit and equally disgusting, although I am sure you support that. If not I apologize, I would bet I am right though.

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by RealSpoke

 

Thats politics. Unethical? perhaps but no more unethical than making an unsubstantiated claim that Romney did not pay any taxes for 10 yeares or that he gave some woman cancer. This is a presidential election, not an election for a local school board or fraternity chapter president.

Perhaps the democrats might spend a bit of time getting some folks on the election committees who have an ounce of savvy rather than attempting to cover their incompetence by claiming that its all some grand scheme being orchestrated by a Grand Wizard to disenfranchise minorities.

Thank You. I wasn't sure on your first note but this second one is the clearest explanation I've yet heard. What I looked up backs your words here and as you note, the law is the law and there it is. (We know what they'll sue over if Ohio is a swing on the lose, anyway.. lol)

Anyway.. I just wanted to thank you for taking the time. The Republicans were sneaky, underhanded...and just amusing me to no end. I'd burned and had steam out the ears often enough by Dems pulling crap well WITHIN the rules of the system. It's about time that was flipped..and oh it's just killing 'em.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Blatant voter fraud from the Republicans / Tea Party.
Blatant voter suppression from the Republicans / Tea Party.
The silence from the right-wing.... is deafening.

Well if something is whispered no one can hear it. As a matter of point I don't watch the MSM, regardless if it is from a feminist bigot like your source, or Matriarchal traditionalist bigots at FAUX.

That said, this guy needs to be

a) Kicked from the Republican Party

b) Impeached.

Voter ID law's make sense, but to actively seek to surpress lawful voters right to vote is just flat out wrong, immoral and traitorous. What that scumbag is trying to do is just as evil and vile as how democrats try to allow illegals and convicted felons voting.
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Also, I really don't like lefties.

Originally posted by murphy22
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

ONE DID!

I said it should be state wide.
But I have no doubt that there is some reason they (Republicans) brought it up.

Who did this idea have to go through?
Was it voted on?
If so any Dems vote for it?
Is there a review?
Are these counties rural with less voting booths? All kinds of qestions arise.

Because you make it sound dumb doesn't make it so.

It is up to the county election boards for those counties. The county election board is evenly split between democrats and republicans.

Yes the tie breaker vote is cast by the Republican Secretary of State.

The courts.

The counties are rural and have no history of voting issues extended hours don't make as much sense as say extending them in major population centers. That is right the Democratic leaning counties are the counties that have the largest cities in them.

Really at this point the Republican Party has finally turned itself into the American Taliban. Can't win on policy so steal the election. Which is funny because according to the diehard conservatives on this board are all "Obama is gonna be a dictator" "Democrats are evil and want to give you a dictatorship". This isn't just the simple gerrymandering of districts that occurs with every census. This is and has been a crusade on the part of the Republican Party to ensure they win elections from this day to eternity. Worried about a Stalin like dictator, maybe it is time to look at what is really going on.

And for those that say your vote doesn't matter, really if your vote doesn't matter then please explain why they are trying to restrict it?

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Hope you like your chains nice and tight. Be careful of what you wish for you just might get it.

reply to post by KeliOnyx

Chains? What are you talking about?

I'm amused that the people who make a true art out of playing to the very edges of the system have gotten stung themselves. It's about damn time. There is nothing wrong with what the dems do, legally. (Well, most of the time) It's just unethical. Just like this is. It's wrong and it's really kinda dirty...well, no kinda about it.

I don't have to agree to be amused. Personally, if I were a Conservative who happened to be in a Dem district there, I'd be a bit pissed... but I'm not, and I live in Missouri. So I can be quite amused from here..

people seem to be dumb and down. Why can't we understand how to vote in this country. WTF happened? Anyone that does not know what time it is and does not know how to read a ballot needs to be disqualified from voting.

The reason why I left the republican party (years go) was because they were acting like democrats.

This action hasn't endeared me to come back.

I am a conservative. I describe myself as the potential love-child of Rush Limbaugh and Dick Cheney. I'm no shrinking violet or some wishy-washy political wall flower.

But if the republicans are going to take the high moral ground, then they need to stop underhanded stuff like this.

(just a continuation of my initial post on page 1 of this thread)

reply to post by OccamsRazor04

This is wrong and everyone should be outraged.

It is wrong, morally and ethically wrong. The Republicans have stooped to a new low with this blatant tactic.

Unfortunately I bet most liberals here are just as bad as the Republicans and support Obama's effort to revoke voting priviledges to the military.

Repeating the Republican lies, I see. Obama has never attempted to revoke voting privileges to the military. Pull your head out of Fox "News" ass once in a while, and rejoin reality.

Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

This is wrong and everyone should be outraged. Unfortunately I bet most liberals here are just as bad as the Republicans and support Obama's effort to revoke voting priviledges to the military. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the Republicans response to the Obama's lawsuit. Both parties are wrong.

Except Obama isn't trying to revoke voting privledges to the military...you can't even get your propaganda straight...the Republican talking point is he wasn't to take away their early voting privledges...you shouldn't try to spread partisan lies if you aren't even educated enough to know what they are.

And...the lawsuit you speak of doesn't remove the early voting rights for the military...it just grants it to all other residents as well.

But don't let the facts keep you from repeating the propaganda.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Thank you for posting this Black. I don't even know what to say anymore though...Hopefully Obama and the DNC keep fighting this.

Republicans, Democrats and Others: The view that just because you perceive someone else has "played the game unfairly" does not mean it is okay for you to agree to let others do it too. Two wrongs do NOT make a right. And it is a lofty justification for cheating the system.

That is all.