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Dealing with Radical but Misguided Islamist militants.

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:49 PM
Many a time, the free world had to deal with Islamists pushing for Syriah laws, but them with weapons, threats or even destruction to lives.

There is a way to deal with them peacefull, if they do indeed a profess a love for Allah and Islam.

1. Set up the meeting in a neutral ground, for as many of both sides if wished, and declare it a holy sanctuary by Allah no mortal dare try to destroy. No weapons will be carried on both sides, for it is a sanctuary by the grace of Allah, declared by both sides.

2. Ask for the leader of the militant one simple question - does he represent Allah, the prophet or messenger with words from Him.

a. If he says yes, then walk out of the sanctuary, declare him and his group as heretics and apostate of Islam, for the good prophet had warned that he alone, was the last messenger and prophet. There is no other, and for any other mortal to claim so, is blasphemy.

He left no heirs or appointed leader, even though he had all the time in the world to do so, for a reason. He wanted ALL men to take responsibility for their actions and be responsible for the community and society. No more the rule of one man, but an agreed upon group of upright men to determine the directions of society, according to progressive laws that elevates the People, without neglecting the central themes of his teachings, such as honesty, giving to charity, etc.

Declare to every citizen that those who walk out are only apostates and brigands with arms, and every TRUE muslim in the world has the right to apprehend them and bring to face apostasy laws.

b. If he says no, or give lame excuses, then simply give him the mercy of ever compassionate Allah - tell him to give up arm struggle, form a People's representative group, walk and work amongst the People of the land, and prove to them the beauty and civilisational sustainablity of the peaceful religion Islam in terms of economics and progress with concrete plans to the People, and get voted.

If they don't get voted, it only proves either they had not be honest or failed to show credibity, or the People are not convinced or ready.

AND it must NOT be done with weapons or threats.

The good prophet Muhammad, for all his military intelligence, favor with Allah, and gifted intellect, HAD NEVER sought to use such powers upon Persia, whom had continually attacked his followers during the time he lived. Instead, he sent letters and appealed to the Persians to change their ways.

Reason being that he knew the hearts and minds of the cultured and educated Persians. They cannot be forced against their free will. They must come willingly. Unfortunately, those after he passed on, immediately launched a campaign of 3 years on Persia, and today, with the schisms between Shias and Sunnis, we saw how right was his approach towards Persia.

I am not a messenger, least of all a prophet. Thus, there is no need to believe what I had written, but only to consider if you found merit, and to share, discuss and debate with family, relatives and friends, to find solutions and better solutions to upraise the peaceful religion of Islam as it was intended for.

If I am wrong, I will accept the condemnations, for I am only a flawed human, just like everyone else, but NOT from those whose mouth say they are muslims but their hearts belong to Satan, to rob, to steal, to lie, to cheat, to kill and do whatever it is to keep mankind down.

If I am right, I expect no accolades, nor rewards, for I am only an insignificant nobody. I write only because I had seen too much suffering, more so of our young - crawling in dirt and rubble, with death a daily occurence, denied of opportunities, yet with a smile and a hope for a better tomorrow. What have we this generation done to them, my fellow humans.....?

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:06 PM
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Syriah law are you for real syriah law is that for Syrian's
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:09 PM
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Muhammad was a violent warlord who spread Islam by the sword and ordered Muslims to do the same by engaging in jihad, according the Koran and canonical Islamic Hadith.

(1) Muhammad ordered Muslims to fight (literally) until Islam dominated

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.


The whole Sura is Here so it can be seen that it hasn't been taken out of context. The above passage from the Koran means exactly what it says.

(2) Muhammad stated that jihad was second only to believing in Allah and himself

Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25

(3) Muhammad was himself a military warlord who spread Islam by the sword and conquered the Arabian peninsula before he died.

In the space of a single decade Muhammad

• Fought 8 major battles,
• Led 18 raids,
• Planned another 38 military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.


Major battles were exactly that.

• At Kheibar in 628 C.E., the Muslim army was 2,000 combatants.
• When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630 C.E.) he did so with 10,000 men.
• And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000.

Source: Islamic Imperialism: A History by Karsh, E. (2007)

Areas conquered by Muhammad by the sword and his immediate successors

Muhammad was a violent warlord who ordered Muslims to spread Islam by the sword. In what sense is Islam a religion of peace?

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:11 PM
This thread was intended more for the Mali's invasion by extremist radical muslims with guns, similarly for Nigeria, Iraq and Afghanistan.

posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:23 PM
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1. All muslims would definately believe in Allah and would accept, not just adopt, the religion of truth on free will, and many had done so.

2. At the same time, the educated would have found out and known the words of the good prophet was meant for that time and era specific period. He believed in progress and evolution, and changes, and had only sought that the central themes of his teachings not changed, but only to evolve better for all arabs to progress from the barbarisms of the 7th century.

He had been a trader and a shepard before answering his calling, and knew first hand the way of life in Arabia. He never countenance the brigand lifestyle practiced there. But unfortunately today, the brigands had arised, and sought to destroy his teachings by radicalism, misinterpretation of the Koran and murder of innocents to get their way to power and glory, and perhaps a better next life for one they never had this life.

Radicalism is not the answer. Each human has brains for potential for better. Allah and the good prophet saw that in arabs, and thus the opportunity for divine guidance. May True muslims never loose sight of this gift despite the trials they are going through.

Edit:- didn't know you re-edit your post with more information.

Those 'conquesta' you shown while true, did not show the true picture of who the good prophet was conquering 'by the sword'.

Those were barbarians and brigands whom will not hesitate to chop off your head in less than a blink of eye if they don't like your face or the way you look at them. They had no gods nor sought for progress and evolution. Lawlessness is their way of life, might is the only power, akin to current day militants and the talibans, despite their mouthing of being muslim, but their actions speak differently.

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:29 PM

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
He never countenance the brigand lifestyle practiced there. But unfortunately today, the brigands had arised, and sought to destroy his teachings by radicalism, misinterpretation of the Koran and murder of innocents to get their way to power and glory, and perhaps a better next life for one they never had this life.

I am glad you believe that. Many Muslims however do not and need look no further than the Koran and Hadith to justify their violent ways.

The vast majority of people killed by Islamic 'radicals' are in fact more moderate Muslims as the extremists fight to dominate Islamic society. They appear to often succeed.

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:33 PM
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

Allah's Apostle said:

"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

Sahih Bukhari, is one of the six canonical hadith collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah) of Sunni Islam.

posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:43 PM
There is no doubt on the veracity of the good prophet Muhammad and his claims in the Koran, as recorded by him through the angel Gabriel.

However, I would advise caution about the Hardith, for it was written later by latter generations of only flawed mortal man then serving an empire after conquest of much sophisticated civilisations then just mere brigands of his days, and not the words uttered by the good prophet himself as recorded in the Koran.

It is the same with the New Testaments. The remaining eleven apostles of our Messiah were the recorded words by him, and can easily be cross referenced with those written books, and any others were written and interpretatted or mis-interpretated by mortal men.

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