America On Verge Of Communist Takeover, Says Former Castro Revolutionary

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
The only one lying in here are people like you....

Where did I say anyone was lying?

You want to claim that Antifa, BLM, Black Panthers, etc are not Marxist and are no threat, or that i am exaggerating about them when I even post videos of them making death threats and they themselves say they are Marxist and they themselves have stated to want to murder whites, police officers and political opponents.

I said antifa are not fascist and that you lump them in with marxist because everyone even a little to the left is marxist to you.

I never said anything about them being a threat or not.

If you defend these people, and defend their calls to murder people no matter how many times you claim you do not defend them, you do. Every single time, including in this thread.

Disagreeing with the labels you place on them isn't defending them.

Now, stop attempting to derail the thread with your BS and lies. If you want to spread lies and your BS, then start your own thread.

You necroed a 9 year old thread and replied to someone who hasn't been here in 7 years. That is the plain truth and this would be the thread to point that out, since this is where it happened.

originally posted by: daskakik

Where did I say anyone was lying?

No?... When you claim that Antifa, BLM, etc are not Marxists, despite them themselves stating they are, what is that called? You attempted to imply that I was lying by claiming I was exaggerating and not stating the truth. You lie claiming "these enemies of yours are only in your head" when these are the people whom have been burning U.S. cities, looting, attacking and killing people and police officers. Yet you have the galls to claim "they are in my head"?...

originally posted by: daskakik
I never said anything about them being a threat or not.

Really?... Let's see your responses...

originally posted by: daskakik

Just because I don't go along with whatever it is you think you are doing doesn't mean I am supporting the enemies you have in your head.

You are making these claims about people who have called to murder whites, to murder police officers, and political opponents... You are making the above claim, and similar other claims about people whom burn U.S. cities, loot small businesses, attack small business owners, attack police officers, and have injured thousands of people and thousands of police officers, and have murdered dozens of police officers and dozens of small business owners... Yet you claim "these are enemies in my head?"... What is that if not defending them and lying about them?...

originally posted by: daskakik
Disagreeing with the labels you place on them isn't defending them.

You are not disagreeing, you are ignoring and dismissing what Marxists themselves say. Just like it is in communism. Lenin wasn't the only one to state this either.

Heck, even wikipedia, a far left source has this to say about democracy you claim does not lead to marxism/communism.

Democracy in Marxism
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In Marxist theory, a new democratic society will arise through the organised actions of an international working class enfranchising the entire population and freeing up humans to act without being bound by the labour market.[1][2] There would be little, if any, need for a state, the goal of which was to enforce the alienation.[1] Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels stated in The Communist Manifesto and later works that "the first step in the revolution by the working class, is to raise the proletariat to the position of ruling class, to win the battle for democracy" and universal suffrage, being "one of the first and most important tasks of the militant proletariat".[3][4][5] As Marx wrote in his Critique of the Gotha Program, "between capitalist and communist society there lies the period of the revolutionary transformation of the one into the other. Corresponding to this is also a political transition period in which the state can be nothing but the revolutionary dictatorship of the proletariat".[6] He allowed for the possibility of peaceful transition in some countries with strong democratic institutional structures (such as Britain, the US and the Netherlands), but suggested that in other countries in which workers can not "attain their goal by peaceful means" the "lever of our revolution must be force", stating that the working people had the right to revolt if they were denied political expression.[7][8] In response to the question "What will be the course of this revolution?" in Principles of Communism, Friedrich Engels wrote:

Above all, it will establish a democratic constitution, and through this, the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat.
— Friedrich Engels, Principles of Communism
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Democracy in Marxism

Communists themselves state that through democracy, and even social democracy socialism and communism is implemented. But you want to claim I am lying...

originally posted by: daskakik
You necroed a 9 year old thread and replied to someone who hasn't been here in 7 years. That is the plain truth and this would be the thread to point that out, since this is where it happened.

The topic of this thread is not why I reposted this thread. All you keep doing is lying and attempting to derail the thread with your lies.

The U.S. is not a democracy, the U.S. is a Constitutional and representative Republic. Those are facts, and I am fully aware that many democrats, rinos, and even some Americans who lean to the right do not understand this and "believe" the U.S. is a democracy, but it isn't.

If you want to lie, and keep trying to derail this thread, just stop responding, and make your own thread. Attempt to contribute something to ATS. It's about time...

You are so deluded, and such a liar that you even claim that no matter what a government calls itself that it is "crony capitalism..." You are claiming that socialism, communism, and every form of government is a form of capitalism. Whom keeps lying, is you.

originally posted by: daskakik
You want the truth, no matter what any system calls itself, it is all just crony capitalism. Hey, it at least has capitalism in the description.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
No?... When you claim that Antifa, BLM, etc are not Marxists, despite them themselves stating they are, what is that called? You attempted to imply that I was lying by claiming I was exaggerating and not stating the truth.

I'm sure you have seen some of them claim to be leftists, not necessarily marxist, though you don't make a distinction. That isn't a lie on your part, that is cherry picking. You wanting to see that as me saying you are lying is on you.

You lie claiming "these enemies of yours are only in your head" when these are the people whom have been burning U.S. cities, looting, attacking and killing people and police officers. Yet you have the galls to claim "they are in my head"?...

The reds hiding under your bed are in your head. You have been at it since before these groups were even really a thing, certainly BLM.

originally posted by: daskakik
I never said anything about them being a threat or not.

Really?... Let's see your responses...

originally posted by: daskakik

Just because I don't go along with whatever it is you think you are doing doesn't mean I am supporting the enemies you have in your head.

That is about disagreeing with your labels. I'm not going along with your labeling.

You are not disagreeing, you are ignoring and dismissing what Marxists themselves say.

No, I am disagreeing with you because you use americanized definitions, with a conservative spin. Plus you jumble everything together because to you "they are all the same".

The topic of this thread is not why I reposted this thread. All you keep doing is lying and attempting to derail the thread with your lies.

There is no lie in that post.

You are so deluded, and such a liar that you even claim that no matter what a government calls itself that it is "crony capitalism..." You are claiming that socialism, communism, and every form of government is a form of capitalism. Whom keeps lying, is you.

No, I'm saying that money talks and BS walks and that is how things work under all kinds of governments.

People who have lived under communist governments have told me that those belonging to the party would have first bids on stuff before the crumbs were left for the rest, monarchs of course get the best right off the bat and even in constitutional republics, pay to play and similar arrangements make it so that the "golden rule" is followed.

a reply to: daskakik

For crying out loud... Stop lying already.

Antifa’s Ultimate Goal Is Communism, Journalist Attacked by Adherents Says

When they march, or post about rallies the symbols they use are socialist and communist... From the closed fist with a red star, to a black fist and a star, and similar versions of socialist/communist symbolism.

As a matter of fact, Antifa came out of the German COMMUNIST faction known as "Antifaschistische Aktion."

Not to mention that publicly they identify as socialists and communists.

The Communist Origins of the Antifa Extremist Group

Like BLM, and the Black Panthers among other socialist/communist movements Antifa also define themselves as socialist and, or communists. So you keep on lying.

The Antifa (Anti-Fascist Action) organization originated in the 1930s in Germany as a paramilitary arm of the German Communist Party that was used to fight and suppress liberal political parties and the burgeoning Nazi Party. This political movement, which operates under the same banner and communist ideology as the Antifa of the 1930s, is now well established in the U.S.
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challengesweface.org...

In their own Twitter website they point out how you are lying about them...

Let's get one thing clear. Antifa is an Anarcho-Communist cause. Those on the left who call us "patriots", step the # away. #BostonResist pic.twitter.com/fXV3mgK45j

— Boston Antifa (@AntifaBoston) August 19, 2017

twitter.com...

Although the original tweet was erased, here is another website that posted what they wrote.

www.pacificpundit.com...

So keep attempting to lie...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse
News for you, violence against political rivals isn't confined to just one side of the political spectrum.

I don't have a problem with saying antifa is leftist. I have a problem with you saying they are leftist and fascist at the same time because they are opposing ideologies, except to people like you who think it is all the same.

Like I said, you muddle everything because of arbitrary similarities. So, in the end it isn't about group x,y or z. It is about your labels and how you have twisted things to move right-wing movements to the left because, for whatever reason, some americans think right-wing means freedom and that isn't accurate.

a reply to: daskakik

No. You are wrong, and you keep lying. Antifa, BLM, Black Panthers, etc are Communists/Marxists... They themselves say it yet you want to claim this is not true.

What makes people fascists?

Racism is one of them...Aren't Antifa, BLM, Black Panthers, etc racists?... After all they hate all whites, even when Antifa is composed of mostly white useful idiots.

They call all police officers, including black, Asian, and Hispanic officers by racial slurs meanwhile claiming those black, Hispanic, Asians, etc are all racists...

As for "National Socialism"? It has never been right-wing... The socialist policies implemented by hitler and Mussolini were never right-wing... Heck mussolini's policies have been called to be very progressive...

It would seem undeniable that Hitler and Mussolini, like the Soviet Union's Joseph Stalin, were revolutionaries and in no sense conservatives or traditionalists. Their ideologies grew out of the avant-garde positivist, progressive, and pragmatic philosophies of the late 19th century.
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The Progressive Roots of Fascism
No matter how many times you and other far leftists claim that fascism is right-wing... That's a lie, and you are only lying to yourself.

These polices are not right-wing...

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Therefore we demand:

11. That all unearned income, and all income that does not arise from work, be abolished.

12. Since every war imposes on the people fearful sacrifices in blood and treasure, all personal profit arising from the war must be regarded as treason to the people. We therefore demand the total confiscation of all war profits.

13. We demand the nationalization of all trusts.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industries. (Wealth redistribution)

15. We demand a generous increase in old-age pensions.

16. We demand the creation and maintenance of a sound middle-class, the immediate communalization of large stores which will be rented cheaply to small tradespeople, and the strongest consideration must be given to ensure that small traders shall deliver the supplies needed by the State, the provinces and municipalities.

17. We demand an agrarian reform in accordance with our national requirements, and the enactment of a law to expropriate the owners without compensation of any land needed for the common purpose. The abolition of ground rents, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

18. We demand that ruthless war be waged against those who work to the injury of the common welfare. Traitors, usurers, profiteers, etc., are to be punished with death, regardless of creed or race.
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COMMON GOOD BEFORE INDIVIDUAL GOOD

25. In order to carry out this program we demand: the creation of a strong central authority in the State, the unconditional authority by the political central parliament of the whole State and all its organizations.

The formation of professional committees and of committees representing the several estates of the realm, to ensure that the laws promulgated by the central authority shall be carried out by the federal states.

The leaders of the party undertake to promote the execution of the foregoing points at all costs, if necessary at the sacrifice of their own lives.

www.historyplace.com...

Nationalization is not right-wing... Yet that's what happens in fascism... Because fascism is a left-wing ideology and a branch of socialism...

Whom in the world is following most of these same policies today?

Whom is demanding "nationalization of all infrastructure" and making things that are not infrastructure such as healthcare, child care, etc, as part of infrastructure to supposedly make it all free?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom is demanding today for confiscation/nationalization and redistribution of the wealth from wealthy people?

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom is demanding "a strong central authority in the state" and even demanding that U.S. elections become Federalized/nationalized?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom demands common good(collective good) before individual good?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom is demanding to suppress all views that are not in accordance to democrats, socialists and communists beliefs?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom has been suppressing freedom of the press, and freedom of speech?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom demands agrarian reform for the "collective good," and for the state to pay for the education, healthcare, etc of people?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

Whom is calling for the murder, or supporting groups that call for the murder of whites an entire race of people, as well as the murder of political opponents, police officers, etc or to send "political opponents to "re-education camps"?...

Democrats, socialists, communists...

a reply to: daskakik

People like you are so deluded that you all called, not just you, the New Zealand mass murderer as "right-wing" when he himself wrote in his manifesto that, and I quote: "The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China."

New Zealand Mass Murderer is a Far Left-winger.

And he hasn't been the only far left/socialist, communist mass murderer that you/the left claimed are "right-wing" when they themselves explain they like socialism and communism.

Throughout Asia and the Middle East there are several "National Socialist" parties and they have no qualms with calling themselves what they are...socialists/communists/left-wing...

National Socialist Party
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National Socialist Party or Nazi Party may refer to:
Asia

Jatiyo Samajtantrik Dal (National Socialist Party), Bangladesh (socialist)
National Revolutionary Socialist Party, India (Marxist/Leftist)
National Socialist Party (Jordan), 1954-1957 (socialist)
National Socialist Council of Nagaland, India (Maoist)
National Socialist Party of Tripura, India (Tripuri nationalist)
Iranian National Socialist Party (est. 1952) (pro-Hitler, antisemitic (both anti-Arab and antisemitic))
Syrian Social Nationalist Party (secular, nationalist, pro-Syria, fascist)
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en.wikipedia.org...

But you and other far-leftists don't want to admit this because deep down inside you know the truth of what you are.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
People like you are so deluded that you all called, not just you, the New Zealand mass murderer as "right-wing"...

I honestly don't recall calling him anything but if I did it was probably based on the full manifesto and not just one bit, which honestly, sounds like a red herring.

But you and other far-leftists don't want to admit this because deep down inside you know the truth of what you are.

I love how in one post you say "just because they call themselves..." and in this post you point out groups "that call themselves..."

That is how incongruent your arguments are at times.

a reply to: daskakik

Ah, of course... Even when you read it/hear it from the horse's mouth you want to claim it is false and that there must be some other ulterior motive for these people stating whom they are, far left-wing...

No... you are the one, among others, imposing your false beliefs about these people... Certainly there are bad people among conservatives as well, but your side the side you always defend with lies and your BS takes the gold medal and the cake home every time. The bad apples in conservative circles are nothing in comparison to the bad apples in your circles.

You see Antifa, BLM, Black Panthers etc state they are communist, they even call for the murder of people and you want to claim I am making it up/exaggerating which shows your left-wing bias no matter how many times you deny it.

You see democrats calling for socialism and even communism, and they even implement Marxist doctrine in school, colleges, and Universities in democrat cities and states to indoctrinate America's children and young adults to embrace Marxism. Yet you, among others, want to claim I am making this up, exaggerating, and you want to claim their ideas which they themselves make public are only in my head which shows your willingness to ignore reality every single time.

You have even stated i need some help when it is you, among others, whom needs some mental health help as you keep denying reality and you attempt to supplant reality with the fantasies you have in your head.

You only want to claim that people are what they call themselves, but their actions and their calls is what it makes people whom and what they are...

If they call themselves anti-fascists but use fascist tactics time and again it shows them to be fascists. The Antifa from today and from the 1930s are and were communists, social democrats were and are also all part of the same tree that is socialism. Mussolini and hitler both were socialists, but having some of their own idea of what they thought should be the best socialist system to implement.

Just like Lenin and Trotsky wanted international socialism/communism and Stalin wanted national socialism/communism. There are only some differences between them, but they all are part of the socialist tree just like Gandhi was, just like Karl Marx was, just like hitler, Mao, Mussolini, the castro brother, Maduro, Chavez, etc, etc...

It's ironic how you leftists want to claim that "the right are the racists" yet you ignore that Karl Marx was racist against Jewish people, just like Gandhi was a racist as well whom had his own idea that National Socialism would be the best socialist branch for India. Gandhi, like hitler, like KArl Marx, and others was a racist bastard to his death. He thought black people are a lesser race. Racism has ALWAYS been part of the left and it hasn't changed at all. Now the left is racist against whites, and political opponents even among minorities.

But you are not the only one afflicted with denying reality. Plenty of even liberal/progressive left-wing judges are freeing criminals that even have murdered people in cold blood yet they are letting these people go because they are either black criminals, or are part of the criminal left.

Now, stop attempting to derail this thread. It's obvious you have nothing intelligent or even logical to say/write at all.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Ah, of course... Even when you read it/hear it from the horse's mouth you want to claim it is false and that there must be some other ulterior motive for these people stating whom they are, far left-wing...

That is actually not what I said.

So sad that you felt compelled to write all that when the starting premise is flawed and it was just a big waste of time.

If they call themselves anti-fascists but use fascist tactics time and again it shows them to be fascists.

What do you consider fascist tactics? I bet they don't differ from tactics used by anyone involved in a fight but maybe you know of some that I am not familiar with.

ETA: Forgot you were talking about the NZ guy. That is even worse when his manifesto is full of conservative talking points. I guess you are calling violent conservatives leftists as well. Wouldn't surprise me.

a reply to: daskakik


ROFLMAO... Yeah, because China is a right-wing dictatorship right?... GTFO. Now you are even denying what you have posted even when I even re-posted many of your false claims from your own mouth/fingers.

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
ROFLMAO... Yeah, because China is a right-wing dictatorship right?... GTFO.

I never said china was a right-wing dictatorship. I said that the NZ guy made many conservative points along with that bit about china. You overlook all the his conservative points and cherry pick the line about china to make your argument against those saying he was a right-winger.

Now you are even denying what you have posted even when I even re-posted many of your false claims from your own mouth/fingers.

What you re-posted didn't swing one way or the other, except in your mind, because you can't help but lump what I am saying with some kind of defense of the left, when I don't even feel the need to defend anyone.

Again, that is your mind twisting things because of your bias.

a reply to: daskakik

Right, because having values and beliefs that are parallel to communist China makes him a right-winger?... Yeah, like the claim that the people whom voted for hitler were "right-wingers" even though the appearance of hitler was helped by what the majority of Germans at the time in Germany that wanted... more socialism, which Bismarck decided to implement to appease the large majority of Germans whom voted for more socialism. After all, the minorities in the left in Germany, the social-democrats and communists didn't vote for hitler so that makes him not a socialist, even though he said he would implement, and did implement socialism in Germany... But that in today's world of left-wing indoctrination and ignorance equals to being "right-wing..."

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Right, because having values and beliefs that are parallel to communist China makes him a right-winger?

If those values and beliefs are conservative, yeah they do. That is all right wing means.

You do know that during the french revolution, when the terms were coined, those on the right stood behind the monarch. That is why the modern american use of left and right seems backwards to some people. Guess it is the pot calling the kettle black when some people accuse the other side of redefining terms.