Originally posted by Kwintz
Yes, Kerry is an excellent debator and beat bush in miami, but didn't defeat bush today.
I don't know how you can say he uses facts and refutes attacks made on him, though. All i hear from kerry is I HAVE A PLAN. And then he moves on to
something else. It sure would be great to hear his almighty plan for everything. Hell, i can SAY i know how to cure cancer. But if i don't have
anything to back up my claim, how do you expect anyone to believe me?
(1) If you actually analyze the debates with an impartial view, you're likely to say Kerry won. But again, this goes back to what I said before.
Unless one candidate completely falls on their face like Bush did the first debate, it's easy enough for either side to spin it into a victory for
As for Kerry, I'll keep copying and pasting this for anyone who says he didn't say specifics:
Fully fund the "No Child Left Behind" Act ... allow NATO to help (or completely take over) the training of Iraqis, something the group brought up as
a possibility in a meeting a couple weeks ago, but was ignored by Bush ... implement a process to reduce Russia's loose material in four years rather
than the 13 years it would take under Bush's plan ... work on a massive global counterproliferation effort which would include scrapping our own
plans for bunker-busting nuclear bombs in an effort to hold ourselves to the same standards we ask of other countries ... increase active duty
military spots by 40,000 so that we don't need to use a backdoor draft of National Guard reservists or a reinstated draft to fill our military needs
... remove catastrophic cases out of the healthcare system and pay for them via a federal fund so that they don't artifically impact healthcare
premiums, which will allow more affordable personal plans, as well as allow small businesses to offer healthcare packages, which will increase the
number of Americans covered ... raise the child-care credit by $1,000 for families to help them be able to take care of their kids ... have a $4,000
tuition tax credit that goes to parents -- and kids, if they're earning for themselves -- to be able to pay for college ... implement tax cuts for
people making under $200,000, while repealing tax cuts back to the Clinton level for people making above that ... currently sponsoring a bill along
with McCain that will eliminate tax loopholes for businesses that outsource jobs overseas ... create a manufacturing jobs credit and a new jobs credit
for people to be able to help hire and be more competitive here in America ... reevaluate the Patriot Act so that it cannot be used in a way to
deprive American citizens of their most basic rights ... put the 100-200k frozen embryos already stored away in fertility clinics to use by using them
for stem cell research
Sounds like some concrete plans for me. This is all stuff he mentioned in the debate last night. The only issue that he dodged and said "I have a
plan" without really mentioning anything about said plan is about tort reform, when he said go to his website. Everything else he either attacked
the president on what he has been doing, or he's explained how he plans to do things differently, giving definite answers, not just simply, "I have
Like I said before, say he can't accomplish these things, but that's just your opinion, it's not fact. Speaking of fact, it's a fact that Kerry
did lay out some definitive plans as to what he wants to do if he becomes president, so you, and everyone else, please get off that schtick. I just
posted plenty of evidence to the contrary.