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Racism - Republicans and Democrats switched sides?
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Reply to post by digital01anarchy
Please cite just 1 example of La Raza doing something as illegal and radical as the Klan. No stories or opinions. I want facts.
Link us to a report on La Raza doing brown supremacy crimes.
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Please cite just 1 example of La Raza doing something as illegal and radical as the Klan. No stories or opinions. I want facts.
Link us to a report on La Raza doing brown supremacy crimes.
Originally posted by spinalremain
Holder spoke with the NAACP today.
Perhaps you should make another thread since the NAACP seeks to expand on black peoples civil equality and there are no white groups around.
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The NAACP can kiss my arse as well. They fought agaisnt making english the official language of the United States.
Originally posted by spinalremain
Reply to post by digital01anarchy
Please cite just 1 example of La Raza doing something as illegal and radical as the Klan. No stories or opinions. I want facts.
Link us to a report on La Raza doing brown supremacy crimes.
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Raza Unida is a crime gang and a political group that advocates reconquering the US southwest.
Photo: KnowGangs
Besides its criminal activity, this group adheres to the
Mexican ideology of Reconquista.The goal of the Reconquista is to
“reconquer” these “lost” or “stolen” territories for “La Raza” -- the
race indigenous to Mexico.
An eight-count indictment charging 13 alleged members and associates
of the Raza Unida (United Race) street and prison gang with committing
violent acts to support racketeering was unsealed yesterday.
"This multi-agency effort will produce a safer community for our
citizens," said U.S. Attorney Jose Angel Moreno. "We will continue to
aggressively target gangs who prey upon our communities and ensure that
they are brought to justice."
The 13 defendants named in the indictment are now in federal custody.
They are: Preston Mascorro, 29; Karlos Bouchot, aka Karlos Gustavo
Bouchot, 35; Rudy Rodriguez, 31; Martin Guardiola III, 35; Ricky
Alejandro, 25; Israel Plazola, 26; Michael Ornelas, 31; Anthony Torres,
34; Jerome Aranda, 31; Johnny Joe Guerra, 33, Orlando Garcia, aka
Orlando Amador Garcia, 32; Valerie Botello, 28; and Stephen Ayala, 34.
Guerra and Aranda were arrested Dec. 14 without incident. Both
appeared before a U.S. Magistrate Judge on Wednesday and have been
ordered temporarily detained pending a detention hearing. The remaining
11 defendants, already in federal or state custody on other charges,
appeared in federal court Thursday morning. All 13 defendants have been
ordered temporarily detained pending arraignment and a detention hearing
set for December 17.
The United States is seeking an order to detain all 13 defendants in
federal custody without bond pending trial on the charges. All of the
defendants have been residents of Corpus Christi and all are U.S.
citizens, except for Plazola who is a Mexican national illegally
residing in the United States.
The indictment, returned under seal on December 8, by a Corpus
Christi grand jury, alleges that Mascorro, Bouchot, Rodriguez,
Guardiola, Alejandro, Plazola, Ornelas and Torres were members and
associates of a criminal organization commonly known as the Raza Unida.
Besides its criminal activity, this group adheres to the Mexican ideology of Reconquista. Mexicans
and other Hispanics making these claims seek to reconquer states such
as Texas, California, Arizona and New Mexico by taking the land away
from the United States and returning it to Mexico. The goal of the
Reconquista is to “reconquer” these “lost” or “stolen” territories for
“La Raza” -- the race indigenous to Mexico.
These gang members and associates function as a unit engaged in acts
of violence including murder, robbery and narcotics trafficking. This
violence is designed to maintain and increase the position of the Raza
Unida gang. The series of violent offenses as alleged in the following
counts one through four charges the various defendants with aiding
racketeering to further the purpose of the Raza Unida.
Prosecutors charged suspects with the following counts:
Count 1: Bouchot and Rudy Rodriguez are accused of conspiring together in April to murder J. S.
Count 2: Rodriguez is accused of assaulting two persons - M. B. and V. G. - with a dangerous weapon on March 31.
Count 3: Alejandro and Anthony Torres are accused of assaulting D. L. with a dangerous weapon on Jan. 12.
Count 4: Mascorro, Guardiolas, Alejanadro, Plazola and Ornelas
are charged together with the assault with a dangerous weapon of R. O.
on May 1.
Count 5: Mascorro, Bouchot, Aranda, Guerra, Garcia and Botello
are charged with conspiring together between November 2009 through May
to distribute 5.66 kilograms of a mixture or substance containing a
detectable amount of methamphetamine. A conviction for this offense
carries a maximum statutory penalty of life in prison and not less than
10 years.
A conviction for such offenses carries a statutory maximum punishment of 20 years imprisonment without parole.
The next two counts of the indictment charge firearms offenses
related to violent crimes previously alleged in the indictment. Upon
conviction, they carry mandatory consecutive terms of imprisonment
ranging from not less than seven years for count six, and not less than
10 years for count seven.
Alejandro is charged in count six with possessing and brandishing a
9mm semi-automatic Beretta on May 1, in furtherance of the assault
alleged in count four. Torres is charged with possessing and discharging
a .40-caliber Beretta on Jan. 12, in furtherance of the assault with a
deadly weapon offense alleged in count three.
Ayala, allegedly a previously convicted felon, is charged in the last
count of the indictment with possessing three 12-guage shotguns. As a
previously convicted felon, Ayala is prohibited by federal law from
possessing firearms. A conviction for this offense carries a statutory
maximum penalty of not more than 10 years.
The three assault-with-a-deadly weapon charges arise from a home
invasion in which a man was shot, and two other shootings at Corpus
Christi nightclubs. The conspiracy-to-murder charge allegedly occurred
at the (TDCJ) McConnell Unit Prison in Beeville, Texas, during a time
when both defendants charged were confined there.
"Criminal organizations actively engaging in violent crime will
aggressively be investigated both on the streets of and within the
prisons of Texas," said John Moriarty, an official Texas Department of
Criminal Justice's Inspector General's Office .
During the course of the investigation leading to this indictment,
agents and officers seized about six kilograms (13 lbs.) of crystal
methamphetamine with an estimated street value of more than $300,000.
This ongoing multi-agency investigation has thus far resulted in 16
other convictions for federal offenses, including a car theft ring,
drugs and firearms.
Jim Kouri, CPP, formerly Fifth Vice-President, is
currently a Board Member of the National Association of Chiefs of Police
and he's a columnist for Examiner.com and New Media Alliance
(thenma.org). In addition, he's a blogger for the Cheyenne, Wyoming Fox
News Radio affiliate KGAB (www.kgab.com). Kouri also serves as political advisor for Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor Michael Moriarty.
He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington
Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the
1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New
Jersey university and director of security for several major
organizations. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and
trained police and security officers throughout the country. Kouri
writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police,
Police Times, The Narc Officer and others. He's a news writer and
columnist for AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and
he's syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. Kouri appears regularly as on-air
commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Fox
News Channel, Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, etc.
edit on 10-7-2012 by digital01anarchy because: (no reason given)
www.sodahead.com/united-states/la-raza-raza-unida-gang-members-charged-with-racketeering-in-texas-is-a-violent-crime-gang-and-a-p/question-1396635/[ed itby]edit on 10-7-2012 by digital01anarchy because: (no reason given)
reply to post by digital01anarchy
I think you may have linked to the wrong site.
That concerned something about Roker on Imus. Did I miss something?
I think you may have linked to the wrong site.
That concerned something about Roker on Imus. Did I miss something?
reply to post by digital01anarchy
Please cite where you're getting that from.
You copy/pasted a wall of text with not one credible source.
Please cite where you're getting that from.
You copy/pasted a wall of text with not one credible source.
edit on 10-7-2012 by spinalremain because: (no reason given)
reply to post by spinalremain
copy and paste that link to your browser. La Raza has been linked to many diffrent gangs
copy and paste that link to your browser. La Raza has been linked to many diffrent gangs
groups
Originally posted by digital01anarchy
reply to post by spinalremain
copy and paste that link to your browser. La Raza has been linked to many diffrent gangs
Clearly we are referring to two completely different groups.
Eric Holder did not go to a gang meeting
en.wikipedia.org...
The National Council of La Raza (NCLR) is a non-profit and non-partisan advocacy group in the United States, focused on improving opportunities for Hispanics.[1] It is sometimes confused with La Raza Unida
edit on 10-7-2012 by spinalremain because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by spinalremain
groups
Originally posted by digital01anarchy
reply to post by spinalremain
copy and paste that link to your browser. La Raza has been linked to many diffrent gangs
Clearly we are referring to two completely different groups.
Eric Holder did not go to a gang meeting
en.wikipedia.org... [/quote
lets not split hairs here. The group that got arrested was la raza and believed then their "cause" how does that not make them any different from the kkk? they believe in brown supremacy how are you not getting that. Holder could of picked a bunch of diffrent groups he picked radicials hell bent on retaking america by any means even force .
reply to post by digital01anarchy
Not split hairs?
You're talking about a completely different group!
That's not splitting hairs. It's being dead wrong.
Not split hairs?
You're talking about a completely different group!
That's not splitting hairs. It's being dead wrong.
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by mayabong
I think people incorrectly use the labels Democrats and Republicans when looking at the past when they should be looking at the labels Conservatives and Liberals.
The party ideologies changed...but the ideologies of Conservatives and Liberals have not.
More to the point...The SOUTH turned GOP post civil rights.
Same folks...swapped parties...ever here of a Dixie Democrat?
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Originally posted by megax5000
Ah, the good ole' "If I'm so racist, then why was Abraham Lincoln a Republican, HMM?" argument.
Party name is far less important than the things they actually supported.
Some of you non-racist Republicans should google "southern strategy".
That position is just as foolish as the Abe Lincoln position. If you want to focus on party-level nonsense the Democrats overwhelmingly opposed any and all Civil Rights legislation from the 30's through the 60's.
One of the original tenants of the New Deal involved "whites only" primaries.
In the end an individuals behaviors belong to the individual.
The 1924 Democratic National Convention ended in a cross burning and was referred to as the "Klanbake."
The major reason I refuse to join groups/parties/associations/etc... is because no body can speak for me nor do I wish them to yet whenever a body speaks the outside world imposes that point of view on all parties to that body. A foolish and ignorant practice which is far too widespread and frighteningly effective.edit on 10-7-2012 by thisguyrighthere because: (no reason given)
Seeing which party was more racist in the past is all just an interesting academic exercise, but how about we just focus on the present. Which party seems friendlier to black folks? The party that constantly insults them for supposedly being lazy, stupid and utterly dependent on welfare and the government, the same party that have millions of people throughout the country sending racist chain e-mails, the same party that sees nothing wrong with the confederate flag?
Or the other other party?
Originally posted by megax5000
Seeing which party was more racist in the past is all just an interesting academic exercise, but how about we just focus on the present. Which party seems friendlier to black folks? The party that constantly insults them for supposedly being lazy, stupid and utterly dependent on welfare and the government, the same party that have millions of people throughout the country sending racist chain e-mails, the same party that sees nothing wrong with the confederate flag?
Or the other other party?
First we have to separate the actions of individuals from the actions of a party. Which was the major point of my post.
Does Al Sharptons anti-semetic rants show the Democrats to be anti-semetic? Does anything Joe Biden says paint the entire Democratic party as ignorant, racist buffoons? Certainly not. Given that the example of "chain e-mails" is irrelevant as they are the acts of individuals.
Party level actions or policies are open to interpretation. Since you used no specifics I will bring some in.
Affirmative Action. The very literal definition of racism. Whether it is good or bad is irrelevant. One could say AA exists because racist employers wont give certain people a chance. Someone else could say AA is offensive to a group of people in that it presupposes lack of ability or qualification.
Gun Control. Nearly every gun control measure affects minority and poor populations far more than non-minority wealthy populations. One side can say this disarms and disenfranchises a population. The other side can say it protects a population from destroying itself. A position which requires one to assume said population is more violent or less able to be trusted with a thing or right than another population. Is that racist?
Taking that a step further both parties support intense law enforcement measures and harsh penalties for even minor and victimless crimes. This disproportionately affects minority and poor populations far more than majority and wealthy populations which spills over into gun control policy, affirmative action practices, employment eligibility and overall lifetime earning power. Are both parties racist here? Or since both parties follow the whims of the voting public is the voting public at large racist trying to marginalize minorities at every turn? Or are they just ignorant and afraid when it comes to "crime?"
What party level policy specifics would you add?
edit on 11-7-2012 by thisguyrighthere because: literacy
reply to post by Indigo5
To add...Texan Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, to ensure continued being elected, voted against civil rights when in Congress, but, understanding the unique powers of the POTUS , signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
After signing the 1964 Act, he reportedly said, “We have lost the South for a generation.”
The GOP saw an opportunity to take in (Southern especially at first) Democrats angered over LBJ's signing the civil rights acts. Nixon campaign adviser Kevin Phillips voiced what would become the Republican Southern Strategy
source
By 1980 many of the "Reagan Democrats" were the white (but not necessarily Southern) Democrats still in the party who were angered at feeling forced into the changing culture, at their perceived loss of dominance of their white European culture, and over their perception of "reverse racism".
To add...Texan Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, to ensure continued being elected, voted against civil rights when in Congress, but, understanding the unique powers of the POTUS , signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
After signing the 1964 Act, he reportedly said, “We have lost the South for a generation.”
The GOP saw an opportunity to take in (Southern especially at first) Democrats angered over LBJ's signing the civil rights acts. Nixon campaign adviser Kevin Phillips voiced what would become the Republican Southern Strategy
During a 1970 New York Times interview, Phillips said: "The more Negroes who register as Democrats in the South, the sooner the Negrophobe whites will quit the Democrats and become Republicans. That's where the votes are".
source
By 1980 many of the "Reagan Democrats" were the white (but not necessarily Southern) Democrats still in the party who were angered at feeling forced into the changing culture, at their perceived loss of dominance of their white European culture, and over their perception of "reverse racism".
reply to post by desert
Bottom line...The South is the only part of the United States ever thotoughly defeated and humiliated in a war.
This engenders a deep resentment, culturally embedded and passed from generation to generation.
and that was exploited by the Democrats for political purposes up until the Civil Rights bill and afterwards it has been exploited by Republicans until present day.
It is important to understand that "resentment" might have overlap with racism, but it is not synonomous with racism.
"They think they are better than us" "They think they are smarter than us"
You don't need to be southern racist to foster resentment for the "Liberal" North or Northeast.
In politics aimed at the south we see buzz/code words like "elitist"..."liberal elite" as well as the whole "black agenda" nonsense that was tried out with talk of Pres. Obama and "reprerations" etc.
Bottom line...The South is the only part of the United States ever thotoughly defeated and humiliated in a war.
This engenders a deep resentment, culturally embedded and passed from generation to generation.
and that was exploited by the Democrats for political purposes up until the Civil Rights bill and afterwards it has been exploited by Republicans until present day.
It is important to understand that "resentment" might have overlap with racism, but it is not synonomous with racism.
"They think they are better than us" "They think they are smarter than us"
You don't need to be southern racist to foster resentment for the "Liberal" North or Northeast.
In politics aimed at the south we see buzz/code words like "elitist"..."liberal elite" as well as the whole "black agenda" nonsense that was tried out with talk of Pres. Obama and "reprerations" etc.
edit on 12-7-2012 by Indigo5 because: (no reason given)
Continuing my post above...
Same folks swapping parties...
Here is an electoral map from right before the Civil Rights bill..
Here is an electoral map from 1860
Todays electoral map is roughly a swap between north and south..Same people...swapped parties post Civil rights.
Same folks swapping parties...
Here is an electoral map from right before the Civil Rights bill..
Here is an electoral map from 1860
Todays electoral map is roughly a swap between north and south..Same people...swapped parties post Civil rights.
One last bit...
After the civil rights bill and the south turning GOP, it was a tenant of politics that no Democrat could be elected without being able to carry some segment of the south and thus nominees like ...Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
Before Pres. Obama, no northern Democrat had won office after the civil rights movement.
After the civil rights bill and the south turning GOP, it was a tenant of politics that no Democrat could be elected without being able to carry some segment of the south and thus nominees like ...Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
Before Pres. Obama, no northern Democrat had won office after the civil rights movement.
dp
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