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The strange case of Taylor Kramer.

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posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 12:34 AM
Hippie bass player to student to defense worker to conspiracy victim?

I did a search on ATS and nothing came up on this subject so I thought that I might share the story and see if anybody else has heard about it and if they have any information to share.

There has been a huge amount of speculation as to what actually happened to Phillip Taylor Kramer in his final hours and the project he was working on before his death. This is small piece that the Washington Post printed I found at Sceptic Files

THOUSAND OAKS, Calif. -- The day he disappeared, Philip Taylor
Kramer, who was worth more than a million dollars, had 40 cents
in his pocket. In his head he carried secrets, some said to be
of incalculable value.

An aerospace engineer, he knew how to configure the flight path
of a nuclear missile. A computer executive, he developed
revolutionary technology to compress and transmit data. A
student of theoretical physics, he pursued particles and
equations that he believed would someday permit objects to move
faster than the speed of light -- "warp speed" -- making
possible travel to the stars.

These facts alone set the disappearance of Philip Taylor Kramer
apart from your average milk-carton missing persons case. Add
one other: The rocket scientist was a rocker. Kramer could
expertly lay down the throbbing bass line for
"In-a-Gadda-da-Vida," the baroque hippie anthem he used to
perform as a member of the band Iron Butterfly.

Here is another link, this time to a Maximonline article magazine. I understand that yes it's Maxim, not exactly high end freelance journalism but if you can see through the assumptions the author makes the article lays out the bare bones of the story pretty well.

Does anybody at ATS have any personal knowledge about this subject? Better resources than I can find? Opinions or thoughts after reading the material I provided? Thanks in advance for anybody that may be able to help.

Another link

One more link

posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 01:03 PM
This story is quite fascinating, good post!

His theory of everything sounds a lot like Einstein's theory of everything.


posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 01:49 PM
I remembered after reading this post that they eventually DID find his body, in his van...

The mysterious disappearance of one-time Iron Butterfly bassist
Philip "Taylor" Kramer, 42, has come to a tragic conclusion with
the May 29, 1999, discovery by hikers of his 1993 Ford Aerostar
van at the bottom of a Malibu, Calif., ravine. Skeletal remains
found inside and near the vehicle were confirmed through dental
records to be those of Kramer.

Kramer's Feb. 12, 1995, disappearance has been the subject of
numerous TV shows due both to his connection with Iron Butterfly
and his involvement with government projects, lending X-Fileslike
conspiracy overtones to his vanishing. Unfortunately, most reports
have given the mistaken impression that he was with Iron Butterfly
during the band's "In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" days when in fact he
was only with the band during a mid-70s re-formation. Most
glaring (and high profile) of these shows is a segment on VH-1's
Where Are They Now? which, while purporting to be on the band
as a whole, devoted more than three and a half minutes out of the
five-minute segment to the Kramer mystery, never once mentioning
that Lee Dorman was the main Butterfly bassist during their classic
years. This was done in spite of Dorman being both interviewed
and shown performing on stage during the VH-1 show.

Kramer played in a number of bands in Ohio (including Max, with
future Dead Boy Stiv Bators) before moving to L.A. in the early
'70s. After working a number of odd jobs and even living on the
streets, he was asked to join an Iron Butterfly reunion by original
drummer and friend Ron Bushy, whom he'd been working with as
a prop builder at Warner Brothers Studios. Along with guitarist
Erik Braunn and keyboardist Howard Reitzes, they recorded
Scorching Beauty for MCA in 1974, followed by Sun And Steel
(with Bill DeMartines replacing Reitzes). Neither album was
particularly good, and while the band toured based on the strength
of the name (with Kramer singing "IAGDV"), the band folded in
1977. Kramer and Bushy formed a post-Butterfly group called
Gold and recorded an unreleased album during '78-'79. After that
stint Kramer quit the music business altogether.

Kramer immersed himself in schooling, studying engineering and
getting a job building radar equipment. He graduated from night
school with straight A's and got a job at Northrup, working on the
design of the MX missile. At the time of his disappearance, he had
reportedly discovered a mathematical formula that would allow
matter to travel faster than the speed of light. His involvement in
projects of this nature have led to theories that he was abducted or

What is known is that on Feb. 12, 1995, having spent an hour
waiting at Los Angeles International Airport for a business contact
who never arrived, he called both his wife and Ron Bushy from his
cell phone in his car, leaving Bushy a cryptic message about seeing
him "...on the other side." According to newspaper reports,
Kramer also called 911 just before noon that day and said he was
going to commit suicide. Despite this, family members believe he
could have been the victim of foul play.

Officials said that determining whether Kramer's death was a
suicide, murder or accident could take months.

Link to original article----->CLICK HERE

[edit on 7-10-2004 by Todeskopf]

posted on Oct, 7 2004 @ 02:04 PM
More likely he was persuaded to have a new id and life possibly in a safe research facillity away from the dangers of knowing too much.Better to be working for one side than turn up dead because you refused to work for the others

Somebody of his calibre better off alive and unkown than dead.

posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 04:16 AM

Better to be working for one side than turn up dead because you refused to work for the others

depends how easily you can be bought and who the other side is?

posted on Oct, 10 2004 @ 04:52 AM

Originally posted by optimus fett

Better to be working for one side than turn up dead because you refused to work for the others

depends how easily you can be bought and who the other side is?

Most people who are given the choice of life or death by people who will kill tend to choose life.

posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 05:50 PM
Biography Channel The Unexplained replayed their show on Kramer today.

(strange disappearances, #35)

Interesting how it links him to the Philadelphia Experiment and guidance systems.

Bio channel has one relative saying 'maybe he built his time machine and disappeared into the future or something'

Another quite serious relative said that abduction by aliens was actually a pretty good explanation for what happened.

They talked about the 7th level transcendence of the Celestine Prophecy and other things.

Here's a link with some interesting comments with a bit of a skeptic's slant.

Cool show and interesting topic. Not surprised I found a topic here on ATS with info on it.

Wiki has a page which duplicates some of these links.

One group said they did discover his body and linked the bones found in a van to him, but we all know how that can sometimes go. Without independent verification of that, I tend to view those claims with a jaundiced eye. They're almost as unreliable as claims of the paranormal, bent on 'debunking' and settling the case. People don't like living with uncertainty. I feel for his family who truly seem to still miss him to this day.

[edit on 20-7-2008 by Badge01]

posted on Aug, 6 2008 @ 01:20 AM
Hey here I am the tired witness I have seen and yet not seen I am Here are you there? if so reply thanks.

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 03:26 PM
Philip Kramer Tesla, and many others also
THE PHILADELPHIA EXPERIMENT all have something to do with each other.

What these things and these people were onto are connected to the secret powers of the universe. Gravity fields and magnetism seem to have the power to bens light and distort the time space continuum which means it is possible to build a lighter the air space craft and time machine.

The spiritual world also comes into play with this state of being, psychosis being a big player in all of this. Psychosis in humans opens up a doorway in the spiritual realm that allows one to perceive certain information that most humans do not ever get a chance to see. Some of this information pertains to the knowledge of free energy gravity wave light bending electromagnetism states needed to create a craft that could transverse the universe and beyond. This information is needed to complete the free energy device, which can’t be completed unless one can grasp the concept of this void as a safe place for one to transverse.

Kramer and others were working on these ideas for the government for years before they became unstable and a treat to the security of the project. They were put on ice (done away with) for this reason. Psychosis breaks down the mind to where it becomes useless, this is what happened to Kramer and others.

posted on Jan, 23 2009 @ 07:16 PM
I'm actually his nephew's godbrother and I've heard from his mom that Taylor had mentioned a couple of times that he would NEVER kill himself; and that if something ever happened to him that would not be the case. He had often claimed that he wasn't safe and that he was being watched.

posted on Jul, 23 2009 @ 07:32 AM
Dunno if this is interesting, but David Icke (is he accepted as serious in the alternative information world?) talks with a woman who claims to be a victim of ritual sex-abuse from an early age, and this woman suggests that a former Iron Butterfly-member/tv-evangelist was part of this druidic cult in the US who steals children and brainwashes them (sounds like one X-Files episode i watched once).

Looked up that info and up came the name Phil 'Taylor' Cramer.
You'll find the video at youtube under "David Icke - Mind Control, Reptilians & Human Sacrifices 9/18".

As you can see from the name of David Icke's movie, reptilians are involved!

The interesting part is that this woman mentions only what he has done, or is doing, not his name. So when I researched who this guy was, I found this discussionboard talking about his mysterious death and it made me wonder what if ...

posted on Jun, 20 2011 @ 08:09 PM
Not so sure about the reptilians but who knows lol

SOME people CLAIM : Kramer was distraught over Total Multimedia's financial matters which is not true. The company was well off because of Olson's MCI links and Kramer was ecstatic over a breakthrough he recently made in his work. After Kramer's disappearance all of Total Multimedia's hard drives were wiped clean and according to SEC records MCI entered into a $36 million contract with Iterated, the company Kramer/TMM was working with to develop fractal video compression. There is still more. Decker Canyon was searched just after Kramer disappeared which came up empty. His van was pushed over at a later date with Kramer in it. The license plates were removed by who ever drove the van to Decker Canyon. The killers pushed the van over the cliff and then realized they forgot to put the plates back on the van. They threw the plates down the canyon after the van which landed some distance away. This obvious clue was never followed up by the police after discover Kramer's bones in 1999. The police also failed to link the death of TMMI's secretary within 48 hours of Kramer's disappearance. She knew too much!

Can't verify all of that- but came across this and thought I'd throw it out there.

This case of Philip Taylor Kramer has always grabbed my attention.
I FEEL he was definitely on to SOME high tech SOMETHING! And it could be anything from time travel, quantum physics,---- to you name it. The possibilities are infinite!. I do NOT think he would have committed suicide.

posted on Oct, 21 2018 @ 11:48 AM
It would be nice to revive this OP. It's far more interesting than politics..

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