Obamacare for Dummies

Not really. But I found this link on my Facebook detailing in simple terms some of the (supposed?) benefits with Obamacare. Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it's not my country (yet) and I'm no expert in the US health care system.

www.upworthy.com...

It wont work here, its just going to help collapse our economy. Way to many people here and not enough paying in. Its completly un constituitonal, even tho were really not even under the constitution anymore. The federal income tax is also un constitutional, and the IRS can't even show you were its mandatory to pay the Fed. income tax. Thats why you social security number is optional on your W4 form. Oh and social security is un constitutional. Sorry got away from health care but thought i would just throw that in there lol.

reply to post by Guarnere09


I guess the Supreme Court disagrees with you.

So it would indeed seem.

I'm spoiled. In Sweden, my home country, we have free healthcare. Anything that brings a country closer to that is, in my opinion, a good thing. Everybody should have access to healthcare - at best, for free, but if not, then at least for an affordable price.

Unfortunately the devil is in the detail, and there is a lot of it. It does not mention how the poor are suppose to afford this added expense or how there is 36 months for those on the cheaper plans to be microchipped.

Originally posted by Gauss
...Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it's not my country (yet) and I'm no expert in the US health care system...

Gauss, you don't need to be any kind of "expert". Just look at how the US goverenment has stuffed up everything else and ask yourself if you think it can handle this.

Not a snowball's chance in hades, buddy. Even if it were a good plan, they'd screw it up, like they do everything else.

Originally posted by incoserv

Originally posted by Gauss
...Doesn't seem too bad to me, but it's not my country (yet) and I'm no expert in the US health care system...

Gauss, you don't need to be any kind of "expert". Just look at how the US goverenment has stuffed up everything else and ask yourself if you think it can handle this.

Not a snowball's chance in hades, buddy. Even if it were a good plan, they'd screw it up, like they do everything else.

edit on 28-6-2012 by incoserv because: (no reason given)

The Government 'stuffs things up' because the companies that run the government want it to. To imply that means government is in and of itself incompetent is inaccurate.

reply to post by kwakakev

...or how there is 36 months for those on the cheaper plans to be microchipped.

Whoa. Say what now? Is this for real? Could you expound on this please?

There is just so much misinformation floating around that I'd like to know for sure if this is real or not and not just an 'anti' talking point.

Thanks. If true, this is even worse than I thought. If it's not, then I just want to get to the truth, no propaganda.

reply to post by AshleyD


It's not true. It's just another rehashing of the a long-running lie.

www.snopes.com...

reply to post by AshleyD


Unfortunately all you are going to get from the opposition is misinformation.

The biggest is that the poor will somehow be taxed. Because now you can get medicaid, provided the state provides it, if you are I think at 163 or 183% of the federal poverty level. And as someone who lives in Massachusetts, and was briefly on medicaid and received benefits through MassHealth, I can tell you I didn't pay a dime. Now, if I decided not to sign up for this free service I could have been taxed like $72 a month. So, do I get FREE healthcare or pay 864 for the year, it was obviously an easy decision.

I read that and I was thinking, wow this sound great! It's nearing as good as Canadian health care which puts much of the world to shame, cuz our chedda is betta ha ha ;-p

Only one problem though....most people haven't read "Confessions of a Medical Heiratic". Most people don't understand "trauma care only". Most people will go to the dr for a sliver. From everything I've seen if you wanna live a long long healthy life avoid going to the dr at all cost. Only go if you have a broken arm or some serious trauma that you can't fix yourself. Walk into a emergency room or a clinic and you really don't know if you'll come out alive. Thats an easy way to not even need obama care.

reply to post by r2d246


I'm with you there, dude. Most people where I come from even go so far as to go on yearly checkups. And they go as soon as they're feeling a bit queazy. To get me to go to the hospital, you'd have to rip off my arm and bash my head in with it. Not only is it a hassle, but they put you on meds you don't need, and in countries like mine where healthcare is free, it feels wrong exploiting that when you don't really need to go.

Plus, I can't stand doctors.

So, yeah, common sense should dictate for one not to go to the hospital unless you really need to go.

Step by step:
1.a. Access: Interferes with the free access we have in this state, already. I have seen some benefit to people, but for the most part? Just in the way.

1.b. Premiums. People are seeing their premiums still going up, right now, with it partially in effect. So, that's not real.

2, Regulated marketplace. See, it doesn't matter WHO regulates it, it can be regulated in the manner that OPEC regulates oil prices now. People complain about that, so it doesn't always work.

3. Some of this is an issue, due to what we call "preexisting" If an insurance covers it, and you lose this insurance for a period of time, this is "preexisting". But there's no problem of this in a state that has free healthcare already.

4. Ok in and of itself. Tax breaks are nice for small business.

5. WHY are you taking taxes from me to assist a corporation that I work for take care of it's retirees? This isn't tax breaks, this is CONTINUAL BAILOUT.

6. This wouldn't have to be covered by OBAMACARE if the poverty line was kept in line with inflation. There is no need to tack this specific issue into the mess that is this man's bill, if it was autonomous.

7. *snort*

8. A lot of insurances cut off at 24/25. This is not that huge an increase. All you have to do is prove dependance--easier with school bills.

9. From what I've seen, this is already done as much as possible, by doctors. I was quite used to my grandmother's doctors getting her enough samples and other "working with" over most drugs.

10: In my state, for the poorest citizens, we had completely free healthcare, already. This actually increases the chance that these people will be fined through their taxes, when they were not before. Bad decision for us.

reply to post by r2d246


Totally agree. The issue in the states, tho, is that there are tens of millions of people with absolutely no coverage at all. Which means the cost for them going in to the emergency room for basic care ends up costing the individuals states a LOT of money. The recent health care act was originally meant to address that lack of coverage in a way that actually costs the government less. Now, the way it was actually written strayed quite a ways from that intent, but that's the original purpose.

reply to post by stanguilles7


Thanks so much for taking the time to find that for me.

I'm against this bill in the current form but that was over the top. Glad that isn't true at least.

Originally posted by AshleyD
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Thanks so much for taking the time to find that for me.

I'm against this bill in the current form but that was over the top. Glad that isn't true at least.

I'm not a big fan of this bill either, but mainly because it ends up being a giveaway to the insurance industry. The reason the GOP put up so much obstructionist disinformation about "ObamaCare" like the above meme and many others abotu it being 'socialism' is because they have to oppose it for political partisan reasons while distracting from the legitimate criticism that it is basically a pro-business piece of legislation that does none of the things the Dems or Reps claim it will do.

Originally posted by stanguilles7
I'm not a big fan of this bill either, but mainly because it ends up being a giveaway to the insurance industry. The reason the GOP put up so much obstructionist disinformation about "ObamaCare" like the above meme and many others abotu it being 'socialism' is because they have to oppose it for political partisan reasons while distracting from the legitimate criticism that it is basically a pro-business piece of legislation that does none of the things the Dems or Reps claim it will do.

Right on... I think you have nailed two of the main reasons people are opposed to this:

1) Massive disinformation on the part of the GOP.

2) It is a free ride to the insurance companies... they have, or will have, a mandated much larger population to insure, without adequate restrictions on how they set prices. The result is inevitable and predictable: With all these new "high risk" people being insured, everybody's rates will go up. Count on it.

#2 is my biggest beef with this law. The insurance companies need to be brought into line, and they have not been. Because they own too many Congress Critters.

Obamacare for Dummies ... Rule #1 -

All you poor people out there who can't afford to pay your gas or electric bills .. pay this new 'TAX' because if you don't then you will be breaking the law and subject to jail time. (Unless, of course, another law is passed that says the middle class has to pay for their own new 'TAX' and yours as well. Then you get a free ride ... )

:shk:

reply to post by Gauss


i havent looked into it much, but i get the impression its the same as the british NHS. correct me if im wrong tho.

reply to post by FlyersFan


You're right - they will use this to cover medical expenses for the poor at the expense of the middle class, until there is no middle class left!
Then we will have true equality and social justice