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Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by troubleshooter
Are you actually a Christian though? And if so what kind/denomination/background...it is rather important to know in how to frame useful responses to you and to frame the discussion in context for the other people following it. It is important to know whether your argument is purely intellectual (and you are not a Christian) or you are trying to uphold God's Word as an authoritative source (implying you are a Christian).
I ask this because your line of attack is on purely Ellen White trying to invalidate the section I had from her which was mostly for illustrative purposes of chronology of events (so people might understand how this will/might play out in practice), in no way targets the meat of the thread which stands completely on its own, completely scripturally supported already and ironclad quotes from the beast itself.
That is why the prophetic vision stuff is at the back end of the posts, after people have already received the solid 'meat' they can read the 'visions' and say to themselves now in light of the 'meat', 'hmmm that is plausible and would make sense.'
Instead of attacking the meat or calling into question whether these particular words from 'visions' are in opposition to the Word, you bring up issues not even related to the topic. So I really have to question what your intentions are...are they to help discover the truth of this topic (so far doesn't seem to be the case) or is it to try confuse/distract the minds of other readers from the central points (so far looks more to be the case).
The letter name is derived from Proto-Semitic *ʿayn- "eye", and the Phoenician letter had an eye-shape, ultimately derived from the ı͗r hieroglyph
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. To this day, 'ayin in Hebrew, Arabic and Maltese means "eye" (‘ayno in Assyrian).
Do you not pay any attention to what I laid out for you?
Originally posted by Pervius
The "Mark of the Beast" will be the new forced RFID's all Americans will have to get in 2013 for the new 'healthcare identifier' manadated in ObamaCare.
The problem with RFID's is you can feed it energy to cause ill health effects and kill off everyone who has one.
You better believe there are many countries researching how to kill off humans with RFID's implanted in them. Modulated microwave emission that'll cause ill effects due to the magnetic field around the RFID's.
There's a reason China's military website shows their troops wearing special clothing to protect them from EMF emissions. They're on the ball. We aint.
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by troubleshooter
My own background is 3rd generation SDA, from Melbourne, Adventist high-school, degree in finance and economics, post-grad studies in funds management/investment analysis/hedge funds....so my skill-set is mostly in analysis of large and complex qualitative information (global macroeconomic and geopolitical trends), establishing links/patterns/causes, distinguishing and filtering out biases in information, objective decision making and decision making under uncertainty.
Ok, so you're non-denomination...
(therefore I have no idea what 'interpretation' you have on anything)
...and ex-SDA (perhaps seeking to justify why you are no longer there and/or have some axe to grind against them).
Ok, so you don't believe personally that White was a prophet...many do and many don't. Personally, I do and think evidence supports this but it is not my intention of the thread to 'convert' people to become Adventist so I don't care to argue the point. I personally think that all of Adventists unique doctrine is scripturally accurate (I think the Roman church supports this view considering what they said about Adventist's singling them out as the only ones scripturally based and knowing that some other denominations keep Sabbath than just SDAs so they were really referring to all our theology).
I have had discussions on ATS with people about each aspect of unique SDA theology and each time shown that it is in-line with the Bible. I don't care to discuss the finer points of SDA side issues with you like 1844 (where the supposed event occurred in Heaven only so there is no way of proving anything one way or another) as it is irrelevant.
The spirit of prophecy is meant to be a testimony to Jesus.
Your interpretation of the 69 and 70 week prophecy would then have less power in bringing people to Jesus (who aren't Christians already) as it is more broadly defined and not meant to be proven from specific historical time period events, would you agree? We have a passage in Romans 14:1 concerning quarreling over disputable matters, right....so I think this is the appropriate time to raise it (I will seek to discuss 70 week and 2300 day prophecy later on but atm it is too early in the thread to distract the minds of others from irrelevant topics to this thread subject) as I am already a Christian it is pointless to argue with you one persons interpretation of a time prophecy with another.
Issues I am happy to quarrel over now are the Sabbath commandment, the terms of the New Covenant, and still being held to the 10 commandments as these are not interpretative but misunderstood areas. I would rather read up on the Jewish lunar calendar (even though I have already done one reply post which should dismiss much of it, I wasn't specific enough) than argue interpretive moot points on time prophecies.
Questions for you:
- Is the sea beast/little horn power the Papal power (If not then what is)?
- is this beast's mark of authority Sunday worship (If not then what is)?
- Is God's 'mark' shown to be the Sabbath commandment (If not then what is)?
- Are we still under the obligation to keep the Divine Law, if not then explain why?
- What is God's 'seal' and how is it received?
- What legal basis would Satan have to condemn someone at Judgment for receiving the Beast's mark if it wasn't related to breaking any particular Law?
My intention with this thread is that Christians become Sabbath-keepers, I don't care if they become SDA or not, and that non-Christians can put the NWO puzzle together and 'when' these events transpire and occur just how Adventists say then they will know who has the Truth, what the events mean in context, what decision they need to make for God, and have some idea of the chronology of events to happen next (so they are not confused) from the same Adventist sources.
Is this fair....or is this so major issue with you?
Did you study theology and history at Avondale?
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Originally posted by Pervius
The "Mark of the Beast" will be the new forced RFID's all Americans will have to get in 2013 for the new 'healthcare identifier' manadated in ObamaCare.
The problem with RFID's is you can feed it energy to cause ill health effects and kill off everyone who has one.
You better believe there are many countries researching how to kill off humans with RFID's implanted in them. Modulated microwave emission that'll cause ill effects due to the magnetic field around the RFID's.
There's a reason China's military website shows their troops wearing special clothing to protect them from EMF emissions. They're on the ball. We aint.
- Why do American's think the whole world revolves around them (the 'Beast's mark goes worldwide, not something instituted in some Obamacare policy irrelevant to the rest of the world)?
reply to post by boymonkey74
We are the gods no such thing as satan or the beast.
Question: If the 69/70 weeks is so 'powerful', why did none of the New Testament writers ever appeal to it as proof that Jesus was the Messiah?
A Sage said: "May the curse of heaven fall upon those who calculate the date of the advent of the Messiah, and thus create political and social unrest among the people." Sanhedrin, 97b.
Louis Newman and Samuel Spitz, The Talmudic anthology: tales and teachings of the rabbis (Behrman House, 1945): 277. ISBN 0874413036, 9780874413038
Rabbis after the time of Christ have pronounced a curse on anyone who would attempt to calculate the dates of this chapter. - Talmud Sanhedrin 97b, Soncino ed., p. 659.
At Judgment, those who do not find their name in the 'book of life' will be Judged according to their works, meaning if you just live a normal life and are not cruel to anyone ect then basically the fire from God will consume one completely within a blink of an eye and you will be effectively erased from existence both body and soul.
the statement quoted above is evil. [ect ect]
why are you on ATS delivering all this scriptural stuff?
you seem to be obsessed with this subject. Why? What is your agenda? To save souls?
How is this helping the world?
The New World Order is the logical outcome of human's trajectory
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by On the Edge
Here is some follow up resources on the Zionist connection and how it might get misrepresented as Jewish.