Socialists Win French Parliament Race As World Turns Socialist.

Originally posted by Propulsion
What is it bubb, communism or socialism. You just can’t seem to make up your mind in any thread you put together. Are you looking to somehow create a communist/socialist utopia? I’m confused. Is France going to join China and start WW3 to destroy America? I'm lost...!

Future is bright for Australia

It is obvious how anti-American you are. Your anger will only consume you in the end. I’ve never known any one member here on ATS to cry more.

Give me (us) a break!

edit on 17-6-2012 by Propulsion because: (no reason given)

I make up my mind fine. I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.

And yes, I see France and Greece looking toward the BRICS nations and turning away from the USD.

And I am not anti-american. I am anti-capitalist. You get confused very easily.

And it is you who seems upset. There there. I know it is scary. Big scary China is coming. It is not my fault Americas days as superpower are numbered. It is fact. Deal with it.

They do make jobs, just not here.

to China

They can have those jobs and all the fringe benefits

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No big surprise that the French put in socialists. The Europeans have always been much more accepting of socialism in general. I wish Germany would swing back in that direction. Capitalism has done much more harm over there than good. The Europeans had their little experiment with US style capitalism, and now it seems they are finally waking up and realizing that just because capitalism is the USA's bread and butter, they are not the USA and they need to stick with a system that is better suited to their own culture. I pray for the day they dissolve the EU and bring back the franc and the mark, I will weap such sweet tears of joy. Everything went downhill in Europe when they switched to the euro IMO. The Europeans need to stay in their lane and do what works for them....good job France! Now hopefully your neighbors will take a hint and follow your lead.

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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How is your unemployment rate looking?

Plus look at Detroit. That is your future.

Originally posted by Germanicus
Plus look at Detroit. That is your future.

The Predictions & Prophecies forums are that way --------->

Originally posted by Mijamija
No big surprise that the French put in socialists. The Europeans have always been much more accepting of socialism in general. I wish Germany would swing back in that direction. Capitalism has done much more harm over there than good. The Europeans had their little experiment with US style capitalism, and now it seems they are finally waking up and realizing that just because capitalism is the USA's bread and butter, they are not the USA and they need to stick with a system that is better suited to their own culture. I pray for the day they dissolve the EU and bring back the franc and the mark, I will weap such sweet tears of joy. Everything went downhill in Europe when they switched to the euro IMO. The Europeans need to stay in their lane and do what works for them....good job France! Now hopefully your neighbors will take a hint and follow your lead.

I am from Australia. We are similar to Germany. We have been americanized. it has done more harm then good. Our Public Health system and education and welfare are still better than americas of course but we have lost Public Utilities and assets. It is only getting worse. The leaders of the major parties are US puppets. We all need to follow the lead of the Greeks and the French and try to elect someone that is not a puppet of the United States.

course germanicus had to be the one to post this.

anyways im going to laugh when france goes back into the dark ages with this new government

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I do not think socialism is better than capitalism or that capitalism is better than socialism.

I think both systems have the potential to be great and very beneficial for people.

They also have the potential to be abused by those in power who seek to condense power in the hands of a few.

The reason why I think Europe should go back to a more socialist structure is because it suits the European people better. It works for them. It is reflective of their cultures in general. So it only makes sense that they would do better under a more socialist system.

The USA has always been a capitalist nation, it has worked very well for us as well. I have no problem with capitalism, but what has been going on in the USA for the last 30 years is an extreme form of capitalism that has gotten way out of hand IMO.

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Germanicus
Plus look at Detroit. That is your future.

The Predictions & Prophecies forums are that way --------->

Its pretty obvious. America will be lucky if its not a third world country when it loses the Reserve. The elections in europe only bring that closer. The destruction of the US economy is in front of us all. And there are no solutions.

It was the “fiscal cliff” debate,that took the day, though. After begging policymakers to avoid unnecessarily impeding the economic recovery” by “preventing a sudden and severe contraction in fiscal policy,” the Fed chief went on to say that Congress should man up and take the reins.

Bernanke said he’d be “much more confident” in the economic recovery if Congress took some of the policy “burden” off the Fed’s back. Sparking the ire of Congressman Kevin Brady, Bernanke denied the accusation that Fed-sparked record low rates were making the U.S. complacent about its massive debt and deficit problem.

www.forbes.com...
The US is very complacent about its massive debt and deficit problem.

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You don't need to freak out, the Socialist Party in France has nothing "socialist" today, it's more like the Democrates in the USA.
And I will add that the Americans can be more socialists than us: for instance you have the Class Actions to fight the big corporations, something our politicians have never had the guts to vote. And after the 2007 crisis, you have changed many things in finance, in France, we have done nothing. Of course, the right was at the government and it might change...

Yeah socialists won in the EU which is why they needed all those bailouts. and France?

The 35 hour work week France?

That France?

Viva Le socialiste Viva le Hollande!!!!

Considering there are more communist's in the world than socialist's who won agian?

Originally posted by Germanicus
Its pretty obvious. America will be lucky if its not a third world country when it loses the Reserve.

I suppose anything is possible.

Just I wouldn't be counting all those Chickens regarding China just yet...


All stimulus and no reform gives China’s economy Frankenstein-like qualities

No issue looms larger than China’s suddenly shaky economy. The world is now bracing for a slowdown that pundits said was unlikely to happen. So are officials in Beijing, who worry that social unrest could boil over quickly if growth evaporates....

That’s where the trouble begins. Last time, it was easy for China. Throw piles and piles of money at new infrastructure projects and watch gross domestic product boom. This time, China must be smarter. Xi, and whoever succeeds Wen Jiabao as premier, must avoid the asset bubbles and property-price spirals that accompanied the largest of 2008. Anything that pushes real estate further out of reach for China’s 99 per cent increases the odds that protesters will converge on Tiananmen Square.

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Originally posted by neo96
Yeah socialists won in the EU which is why they needed all those bailouts. and France?

The 35 hour work week France?

That France?

Viva Le socialiste Viva le Hollande!!!!

Considering there are more communist's in the world than socialist's who won agian?

edit on 17-6-2012 by neo96 because: (no reason given)

America has half its population on food stamps.

The US Government will not stop spending.

Lazy Americans are ripping off the welfare system and government is out of control with massive debt. It is clear who we need to cut loose. The US must give up the reserve. The US Government is a loser and the americans are ripping us all off by having the reserve currency. Nobody will care about you guys since nobody cared about the Greeks.

USA USA USA!

Originally posted by BulletShogun
course germanicus had to be the one to post this.

anyways im going to laugh when france goes back into the dark ages with this new government

It won't happen. Historically, the stock finance got about 6% under the Socialists governments when it got less than 2% under the right...
www.margincall.fr...

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America has half its population on food stamps.

No

This nation has a population of 320 million and 47 million is on food stamps which is not even close to being half

.

Lazy Americans are ripping off the welfare system and government is out of control with massive debt. It is clear who we need to cut loose. The US must give up the reserve. The US Government is a loser and the americans are ripping us all off by having the reserve currency. Nobody will care about you guys since nobody cared about the Greeks.

Really need to stop with that hyperbole nobody carres about the Sino-Australian inferority complex or the EU or France, or the Greeks.

Originally posted by Germanicus
I make up my mind fine. I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.

What you call "American style capitalism" is an misnomer and at this point I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it.

Capitalism is a voluntary, consenting exchange of goods between two parties, for their own mutual benefit without the outside threat of force. It is a market that runs on the incentive of profit and loss and the freedom of competition. Once restrictions or government intervention are applied to capitalism, it is no longer capitalism but central planning.

So, that being said, lets pretend for a minute that you don't get to make up your own definitions in an attempt to prevent collapse of your fragile worldview. Give me a single example of any country practicing capitalism. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

At this time, America practices exactly the economic model you endorse in your post.

Originally posted by METACOMET

Originally posted by Germanicus
I make up my mind fine. I prefer State Capitalism. State Capitalism is what China have been using. I also like National Socialism. Both are hybrids. They mix socialism with capitalism.

What you call "American style capitalism" is an misnomer and at this point I think you are being deliberately obtuse about it.

Capitalism is a voluntary, consenting exchange of goods between two parties, for their own mutual benefit without the outside threat of force. It is a market that runs on the incentive of profit and loss and the freedom of competition. Once restrictions or government intervention are applied to capitalism, it is no longer capitalism but central planning.

So, that being said, lets pretend for a minute that you don't get to make up your own definitions in an attempt to prevent collapse of your fragile worldview. Give me a single example of any country practicing capitalism. Pretty please with a cherry on top.

At this time, America practices exactly the economic model you endorse in your post.

I am not being obtuse at all. It is Americas empire. America created it. and I say american style capitalism because some parrot like you will try to pretend he is clever by saying that we do not have capitalism. We have capitalism. Deal with it. America set this system up after WW2. The reserve changed hands and America has run its own style of capitalism ever since. Upward Mobility and bs like that belong to american style capitalism. Capitalism has failed. It turns into crony capitalism or corporatism. look at the United States. It is a loser of a country. They have all that debt. Then look at China. State Capitalism works. American style capitalism does not.

The world will be socialist soon. State Capitalism is Chinese style socialism.

edit-Pretty sure I am more intelligent than you btw. So you sound silly when you be rude and try to talk down to me.

Originally posted by Germanicus
The world will be socialist soon. State Capitalism is Chinese style socialism.

FYI it's called Mercantilism not State Capitalism

Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by Germanicus
The world will be socialist soon. State Capitalism is Chinese style socialism.

FYI it's called Mercantilism not State Capitalism

edit on 18-6-2012 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)

I dont say FYI but, no, China has State Capitalism.

Mercantilism went out a long time ago. It turned into capitalism.

Many analysts assert that China is one of the main examples of state capitalism in the 21st century.[41][42] In his book, The End of the Free Market: Who Wins the War Between States and Corporations, political scientist Ian Bremmer describes China as the primary driver for the rise of state capitalism as a challenge to the free market economies of the developed world, particularly in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.[43] Bremmer describes state capitalism thus:[44]

In this system, governments use various kinds of state-owned companies to manage the exploitation of resources that they consider the state's crown jewels and to create and maintain large numbers of jobs. They use select privately owned companies to dominate certain economic sectors. They use so-called sovereign wealth funds to invest their extra cash in ways that maximize the state's profits. In all three cases, the state is using markets to create wealth that can be directed as political officials see fit. And in all three cases, the ultimate motive is not economic (maximizing growth) but political (maximizing the state's power and the leadership's chances of survival). This is a form of capitalism but one in which the state acts as the dominant economic player and uses markets primarily for political gain.

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Socialists Win French Parliament Race As World Turns Socialist

......and its about bloody time too!!!!