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Battle Of Samara - 7 Helicopters Downed, 147 Troops Killed

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posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:21 PM
In a very bad turn of events for US invaders, the occupation along with Iraqi occupation police and army attempted to take the city of Samara similtanously from three axis (North, South, and West).

What was unknown to the occupiers was that the resistance had countered with a well devised trap where the US invaders were themselves surrounded from three areas which was the towns of "Balad, Dhaluia, Thirthar." The resistance used heavy wepons to attack the US inavders in the form of "Al-Tariq" (range 33 km), "Karad" (range 24 km), "Katushia" (range 11.3 km and 8.3km), "Mortor 120ml" (range 9.2 km and 7.2 km).

To counter the attack, the US forces called in its attack helicopters which were easy prey for the resistance as the area the helicopters need to fly over is heavy in trees and palm groves giving cover to the resistance. A total of 7 helicopters were shot down beginning with a Black Hawk, then a Cobra, then another Cobra, then a Chinook which was being used to land troops west of Samara, then two Apache helicopters which were downed to the north of Samara. The weopns used to take down the helicopters were the "Strella, C5K, Dimotrov 14.5 ml".

The resistance also managed to destroy 4 Abram tanks, 7 Humer's, two transports and kill over 82 Iraqi occupation soldiers and 65 US soldiers.

After this attack, the US called in its F14 and F16 attack planes which bombed the city for a straight 8 hours using cluster bombs, napalm, and laser guided weapons. Fearing for the life of the city's inhabitants, the resistance withdrew from sections of Samara and moved to the surrounding villages and towns where it attempted to draw the US forces towards it and away from the city.

This tactic was sucessful at stopping the attacks. The current situation in Samara has the resistance in control of 70% of the city with the Us and Iraq occupation army holding the remaining 30%.

The number of civilians killed in the attacks is yet unknown due to many homes falling on their inhabitants. What has been confirmed is 115 dead and 154 injured. The dead from the resistance has reached between 23-25, not counting the wounded.




US people only know that about 109 "insurgents" killed and only one US sodier died.

US people also know that about 3000 US troops and 2000 Iraqi Police participated in taking over Samara, and battling with dozens of Iraqi Resurgents. Are "Iraqi Insurgents" all TERMINATORS now? US only takes control a few government buildings.

Open your eyes and minds to find the truth in Iraq! It is your brother and sisitors dying in Iraq! It is your duty to bring them HOME!

Maybe they are cursed, because they put their own lives in harms way for that meager money.

[edit on 2-10-2004 by zcheng]

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:29 PM
And just where is your........."source"?

Please provide us a link, though I think I know where you got this one, and if its the site I think, I shall take it with a grain of salt, judging by the serious bias...........

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:35 PM
Yesterday Centcom reported 1 dead U.S soldier and 4 slightly wounded and all of Samara taken.This report from the resistance is slightly different.I have taken the time to go through and add up all the loses the Resistance say across Iraq.

U.S dead.................................................144

Equipment either destroyed or damaged.

Bradley Fv....................... 1
Amphibious..................... 1
APCs.............................. 6
Fighting Vehicles.............. 7
Abrams Tanks................. 9
Apache Helicopters........... 2
Cobra Helicopters............ 2
Blackhawk Heli................. 2

As can be seenthere is a big difference between What Centcom has said and what the resistance report says.What to Believe,I dont know.I find it hard to believe the resistance could cause all this carnage in 1 day.But i also find it hard to believe that The U.S lose 1 dead and 4 slightly wounded.

Above was an observation by a guest.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:38 PM
Perhaps you meant to post this here. If you contact a Moderator, they could move it for you.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:43 PM
so is there a source for this besides guest?

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:45 PM

Originally posted by sangfroid
so is there a source for this besides guest?

I have added the link of the source. I just found his comment summarizes the report.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:51 PM
"After this attack, the US called in its F14 and F16 attack ...."

There are no more F14 aircraft in the US military's active duty inventory.

This report is about as credible as the People's Daily or the life of Mao Zedong.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:52 PM
I do not see a link.

And the fact that these numbers come from the "resistance" should tell you something.

Iraqi "resistance" AKA terrorists are about as reliable as CENTCOM when it comes to reporting.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 09:57 PM
I doubt they could destroy 6 abrams

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:08 PM

Originally posted by Vegemite
I doubt they could destroy 6 abrams

It was 9, and I agree. Not to mention all of the aircraft and other armored vehicles. Seems like an insurgent wet dream.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
"After this attack, the US called in its F14 and F16 attack ...."

There are no more F14 aircraft in the US military's active duty inventory.

This report is about as credible as the People's Daily or the life of Mao Zedong.

Since when?
The US Navy uses carrier based F-14 Tom Cat's.
Have they stopped using them?

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:14 PM
thats a whole lot of spraying and praying ... dang

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:21 PM
Even Al Jazeera doesn't have the balls to publish this nonsense.
There "un-biased" version of events.

And the even more pathetic has absolutely nothing.

Gotta call Bull$h!t on this one.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:35 PM
You also state that the "resistance" moved because they were worried about civilian casualties. That is even more absurd than the number of dead U.S. troops.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 10:38 PM
This story is absolute BS.

zcheng, you're just believing any propaganda thrown in front of you or you just want us to believe it.

Like Mirthful Me said, it needs to be in the fiction forum.

In the link, it talks about 4 Abrams being destroyed and in your second posting you claim 9!

There are no more F14 aircraft in the US military's active duty inventory.

The Grumman F-14 Tomcat is slated for retirement in 2007. They are very much in service in Iraq right now.

posted on Oct, 2 2004 @ 11:52 PM
I thougth all the Grumman F-14's were retired to fleet reserve and replaced with F/A-18 E/Fs

posted on Oct, 3 2004 @ 12:35 AM
Friday, 1 October 2004. Seven US troops killed in
Resistance bombing.

Resistance bombs exploded under a US column on the road to Samarra’
that was coming out of ad-Dulu‘iyah at 3:30pm, destroying four Humvees
and killing seven American troops.

US launches campaign of butchery against Samarra’.

According to the Mafkarat al-Islam correspondent in Samarra’, 115
civilian residents of the city had died martyrs in the savage US assault
on that city unleashed Friday. That figure seemed likely to rise since
there were still many houses that had been blown up over their occupants.
More than 154 men, women, and children were wounded according to the
correspondent’s figures assembled shortly after midnight Saturday morning.
The Resistance has lost between 23 to 25 men martyred, in addition to
those who were wounded.

Much earlier on Friday the correspondent reported that thirteen houses
had been destroyed in the vicious US attack, and more than 23 private cars set ablaze.
For their part the Iraqi Resistance in Samarra’ early on managed to disable one US Bradley armored
vehicle and one troop transport.

The American Associated Press (AP) bragged about their savage
attacks on the city and quoted one puppet
so-called Iraqi minister as saying that more than 100 Resistance fighters
and one American had been killed in the slaughter. As usual the Americans
and their stooges concealed the number of their own casualties and ignored
their killings of Iraqi civilians.
The AP however quoted a Dr.
Khalid Ahmad of Samarra’ General Hospital as saying that 80 bodies had
been brought to the hospital and more than 100 injured persons admitted.

American sources had recently claimed that negotiations with
religious and community leaders in Samarra’ had produced an agreement
“solving” the “problem” of the Resistance in the city to the satisfaction
of the American aggressors. Friday’s US slaughter of the city indicates
that the charade of the negotiations was a meaningless exercise designed
to cover American preparations for a savage military assault.

There have been indications that the US military also welcomes
civilian casualties in the hopes that they will in some way “drive a
wedge” between the Iraqi people and the Iraqi popular Resistance. The
dismal failure of similar attempts by the Zionists in occupied Palestine
indicates the absurdity of this American theory.

The Battle of Samarra’
In a dispatch posted at 11:54pm Friday night Mecca
time (12:55am Saturday morning local time) the Mafkarat al-Islam
correspondent in Samarra’ provided this account of the day of savagery.

At about 4pm local time Friday afternoon US forces assisted by
their Iraqi stooge troops advanced into the city from the north, south,
and west to try to evict the Resistance that has controlled the city for
nearly three months.

After US troops had closed their ring around
the city, they were themselves surprised to find that there was yet
another ring around their own forces to their rear. The Resistance had
counter-encircled them, using their control of the countryside to their
advantage, as well as their strength in the areas of Balad, ad-Dulu‘iyah,
and ath-Tharthar.

Resistance forces not only encircled the
attacking Americans but pounded them with powerful Tariq rockets (that
have a 33km range) and Grad rockets (whose range is 24km) as well as
Katyusha missiles (the large one with a range of 11.3km, the small ones
with a range of 8.3km). The Resistance struck the Americans with 120mm
mortar rounds (range: 9.2km) and 120mm cannon with a range of 7.2km. The
Resistance also advance towards Samarra’, closing its ring as it pounded
the American attackers.

The US troops sought to get helicopter
gunships to carry out strikes on the Resistance positions. But the
helicopters themselves fell into a trap, as their appearance made them
easy targets for Resistance ground fire, particularly since the region is
an agricultural one, enabling the Resistance fighters to observe the
aircraft from close range without exposing themselves.

At 7:25pm a Black Hawk helicopter was downed, the first of what was to be a
spectacular series. It was followed by a Cobra, then another Cobra.

US forces attempted to accelerate their own advance into the city
by arranging for helicopters to land troops to the west of the city.
Chinook helicopters undertook the task but they too were targeted by the
Resistance. Each helicopter had an estimated 10 men aboard. Two Apache
helicopters were also shot down north of the city with Strela and C5K
rockets and the four-barreled 14.5mm Dimitrov.

Resistance forces destroyed four Abrams tanks, seven Humvees, and two armored vehicles. The
local correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam reports that in all more than 82
Iraqi puppet soldiers and 65 US troops were killed in the battle.

Afterwards, the US withdrew its helicopters from the area and
called in F16s and F14s instead to bomb the city.
The bombing

lasted for eight continuous hours, during which time 13 large container
bombs were dropped, each one containing 3,000 anti-personnel cluster bombs
(a total of 39,000 cluster bombs in all). Six containers of napalm, medium
to large in size, (i.e., a total of 18,000 napalm bombs), as well as tons
of guided bombs, and heat seeking guided bombs.

In those circumstances, the Resistance began its withdrawal from the city out of
fear lest the civilian population be massacred by the US firepower. In
response, the US advanced “swallowing the land,” i.e., seizing every piece
of land and stationing on it a contingent of forces.

The Resistance pulled back to the area of ad-Dulu‘iyah and al-Makishifiyah.
But then after the US forces and their puppet troops entered the city, the
Resistance began to surround them, forcing the Americans and their stooges
virtually to withdraw to the edges of the city.

In sum, the correspondent for Mafkarat al-Islam in Samarra’ reported in a dispatch
posted at 11:55pm Mecca time Friday night (12:55am Saturday morning local
time) that the Resistance holds some 70 percent of the city, while the US
and its stooges hold about 30 percent. Clashes were still underway at that
hour, and US forces were still preventing food and medicine from getting
into the surrounded city.

The correspondent wrote that as of that time, 115 civilian residents
of the city had died martyrs in the US
assault, but that that figure was likely to rise since there were still
many houses that had been blown up over their occupants. More than 154
men, women, and children have been wounded. The Resistance has lost
between 23 to 25 men martyred, in addition to those who were wounded.

Resistance pounds US base at Balad airport, hitting troops that butcher people of Samarra’.
Iraqi Resistance forces attacked
the US base at Balad airport with 15 Katyusha rockets at about 10L30pm
local time Friday night AND at the same time with 10 powerful Grad

The reason for the especially massive Resistance attack
on the American base is that it is the home base for some of the troops
that have gone out to attack the people of Samarra’. Resistance forces
have cut the area between Balad and Samarra’, and have ambushed US troops
on the main road from Balad to Samarra’ and on the agricultural road with
bombs and RPG7 and C5K rockets.

Resistance downs US helicopter.
At about 8:10am Iraqi Resistance forces shot down
a US medical Black Hawk helicopter. Four American troops were killed when
the helicopter blew up in the air near the city of Balad.

Resistance destroys US armored vehicle, kills four US troops.
Americans kill six civilians in a taxi in revenge.

Resistance forces fought a violent battle at kilometer 68 near ar-Rabtah
in the area of al-Qa’im. The al-Qa’im correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam
reported that the fighting broke out at 7:10pm and left an amphibious
armored vehicle destroyed and four US troops dead. One US armored vehicle
sought revenge and fired its heavy machine gun at a passing civilian GMC
Suburban taxi, killing six people in the cab.

[edit on 3-10-2004 by zcheng]

posted on Oct, 3 2004 @ 12:47 AM
Are we in denial that Iraq truly is becoming the Veitnam of the twenty-something generation?Even if you cut the losses stated in half, or by 3/4, you may have the truth if this is an inflated report. HOwever, why could this not be true. I have friends who have family there(Marines) and say it is hell, and that was 2 months ago since some of them have talked to love ones.

Say 3 helicopters, the chinnok, an apache and a Cobra. Could this not equal 30 or 40 dead? 2 tanks and maybe 3 humvees? This could very well be a true but inflated report, and it is only going to get worse. Wish our troops well and pray for them.

posted on Oct, 3 2004 @ 01:02 AM

Originally posted by Off_The_Street
I thougth all the Grumman F-14's were retired to fleet reserve and replaced with F/A-18 E/Fs

My bad Off_The_Street, I knew they were slated for decommissioning and they'll be completely retired in 2007. The last squadron VF-211, traded their F-14's for the F-18E/F Super Hornets about 12 days ago. Iraq may be their last combat role.

VF-211 the last squadron operating the F-14A has turned in their aircraft and are now transitioning to the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet. Since the F-14A was the first aircraft I ever worked I'm kind of sad to see it go. Sure, it was not the most maintainer friendly aircraft in the world. Especially the older they got. However even as a young airman I was able to appreciate the engineering that went into the Tomcat and how advanced it was for it's day.

posted on Oct, 3 2004 @ 01:14 AM
Whether the above report is true or false, I find it hard to believe that only 1 US-soldier was killed. Come on, they are not invunerable to lead and surely the resistance have found thier ways of killing US-occupiers by now, just shoot them in the face to avoid the body armor etc.

I think that the correct casualties is somewhere between Jihadspun-numbers and the US-mainstream-news numbers. The first victim of war is the truth.

[edit on 3-10-2004 by Samiralfey]

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