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Secular Researchers' Findings that UFO Activity is Not Extraterrestrial in Origin

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 11:48 AM
UFO abductees report being plagued by with all sorts of paranormal manifestations following there UFO expierence. For instance: Objects moving by themselves, ghostly footsteps, apparitions, doors opening and closing by themselvs, precognitive dreams, telepathy, telekinesis the list is endless.

It cannot be denied that there is a connection between UFO encounters and psychic phenomena.

So here I have compiled a list of quotes of the top UFO researchers on what they had to say:

Lets take a look at some...

Arthur C. Clark was a British science fiction author and inventor, who held degrees in both mathematics and physics. He is famous for his short stories and novels, among them "2001: A Space Odyssey". For many years, Robert A. Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clarke were known as the "Big Three" of science fiction. Clarke was and is arguably one of the most famous science fiction authors of all time. He said:

"One theory which can no longer be taken very seriously is that UFOs are interstellar spaceships." - Arthur C. Clarke

I think it’s fair to say he probably made a chunk of change writing about aliens visiting earth, as fictional, but he also honestly didn't think what we earthlings are currently experiencing actually was aliens from space either.

Secular author Preston Dennit began investigating UFOs and the paranormal in 1986 when he discovered that his family, friends and co-workers were having dramatic unexplained encounters. Since then, he has interviewed hundreds of witnesses and investigated a wide variety of paranormal phenomena. Says:

"It cannot be denied that there is a connection between UFO encounters and psychic phenomena… UFO abductees have reported being plagued with all sorts of paranormal manifestations following their UFO experience.... objects moving by themselves, … ghostly footsteps, apparitions, doors opening and closing by themselves, precognitive dreams, telepathy, telekinesis -- the list is endless... Many ufologists ignore this aspect of ufology in an attempt to draw the subject out of the occult…They refuse to use all the evidence presented to make a theory which explains all aspects of the reported phenomena. Instead they choose those aspects that would prove their theory, while ignoring the evidence that contradicts their theoryUFOs will never be explained until the psychic aspect of UFOs is also explained."

Dr. Jacques Vallee, one of the pioneers of secular UFO researchers, worked partly with the U.S. government along with Project Blue Book's Hynek. You might call Vallee and Hynek the founding fathers of scientific UFO study. Vallee is the author of 10 books on the scientific study UFOs, he helped coin the phrase in the 1970's "the inter-dimensional hypothesis" to explain UFO activity.

You don't know you know him, but Vallee was the inspiration for the scientist character in Stephen Spielberg's movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

In a interview, Vallee expressed that he thought some external force was causing people what he called "induced hallucinations."

“…it’s quite possible that some of the stories that you get from people are essentially induced hallucinations in sincere witnesses – the witnesses are not lying. They really have been exposed to something genuine..."

It's not that the UFO witnesses were lying (he said) but that only they saw something that wasn't really there, at least in the physical sense of a nuts and bolt saucer.

John Keel, an influential journalist and ufologist, and the author of The Mothman Prophecies (the basis of the film by the same name) wrote succinctly,

"The UFO manifestations seem to be, by and large, merely minor variations of the age-old demonological phenomenon." (John A. Keel, Operation Trojan Horse pg. 299)

So what does this leave us with? do UFOs actually exist? In the mind of those in the film industry there is no doubt to this question. UFOs and aliens exist on the big screen in films like: Prometheus, The X Files, Paul, Men in Black III, Startrek, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind, to name a few. Certainly, in the world of Science Fiction UFO's not only exist, but are here to stay.

But what about reality? Do UFOs really exist? The modern UFO era began in 1947 when a man by the name of Kenneth Arnold witnessed 9 disk shaped objects flying at tremendous speeds over Washington. A reporter coined the phrase "Flying Saucer" and the phrase stuck. It appears that after Arnold's sighting the flood gates opened and UFOs were appearing almost everywhere. And today, the sightings continue, as well as the interest in the subject.

Throughout history strange objects and lights have appeared in the sky. The video 'UFOs: The Hidden Truth' makes these observations:

1500 years ago the ancient Egyptians recorded strange sights in the skies.

Both Greek and Roman literature have references to 'fiery shields' in the sky.

In the year 323 B.C. Alexander the great and his army were harassed by 2 unidentified flying objects. Most of the men fled, although some of the more courageous ones stood their ground and tried to fight them and hit them with their bow and arrows.

In 1492, just hours before Christopher Columbus discovered land, it is recorded that he witnessed a bright flying object flying from the sky into the water and then exiting to return to the sky again.

In addition to the historical record there is also the testimony of many seemingly reliable witnesses. For example:
Edmund Haley, of Haleys Comet fame, watched a light in the night sky that was so bright that it lit up the sky so brightly that he could even read a text by it.

In WWII British aeroplanes flying over Germany encountered strange lights in the sky and thought that they were a new breed of enemy aircraft and nicknamed them 'Foo Fighters'.

American presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagen have spoken of seeing UFOs.

And the list goes on: astronauts, radar specialists, policemen, FBI agents. Are we really to believe that all these people are actually liars? I don't think that it is really fair to say that all of these people are lying. However, about 90 percent of the reported sightings can be explained without seeing little green men around every corner. But we are still left with a percentage that remain as a mystery.

So, if they do exist, what exactly are they? Some, of course, are simply hoaxes, intentionally designed to deceive. Some are later identified as natural phenomenon. Military aircraft is another explanation. There is mounting evidence that new generations of remarkable military aircraft have been regularly misconceived as UFOs before the existence of their technology is officially confirmed. For example, reports of triangular UFOs in Belgium between 1989 and 1991 are now widely believed to have been operations by American stealth jets. This would also be confirmed by the fact that a lot of UFOs are sighted near secret military bases. However, there are a percentage which are simply unexplained.

Many astronomers and physicists believe that UFOs and their occupants do not come from outer space. Extra-terrestrial believer's assume that alien visitors can travel through space at the speed of light. But in more recent years many scientists and ufologists alike have recognised that there are problems with this theory.

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 11:48 AM
'The Hidden Truth' notes the following: First, there is the problem of time. What if we suppose that UFOs come from some distant star in our own Galaxy? Travelling from the nearest star, Alpha Centauri, which is 25 trillion miles from the earth, in terms of the speed of light, it would take more than four years and three months to travel from this star to the earth. Travelling from a nearby star system at more realistic speeds than the speed of light, say the speeds that our own space rockets travel if UFOs were to travel 1 million miles a day it would take them 70, 000 years to travel to earth. And that's only from a nearby star system. Other stars are thousands of times further out in space. Then there is the question of energy. It is estimated that a space ship, carrying ten people, and travelling 5 light years to and from a nearby star system at 70% of the speed of light would consume 500, 000 times the amount of energy consumed in the U. S. in one year!

There is also another difficulty with the idea of space travel nearing light speed. Outer space is not an empty waste. The fact is that throughout space there is debris scattered everywhere in the form of cosmic gas, dust and particles. Any spacecraft would encounter them, and at low speeds brush them harmlessly aside. But at near light speed, it will smash into them with devastating results.

So if it is unlikely that these things are from outer space, then where exactly do they come from? Dr J. Allen Hynek who until his death, was the world's leading authority on UFOs eventually abandoned the idea that these craft were of a tangible quality as we would understand it, calling it "the nuts and bolts theory". In 1976 he said: "There are just too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligence would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soil samples, and frighten people." (Jacques Vallee, Revelations, p. 290). After 30 years of serious UFO research, Hynek finally adopted the theory that UFOs are from another dimension, or a parallel reality Bob Larson, UFOs and the Alien Agenda, p. 93).

What are the beings that are behind them?

So, aside from the objects in the sky that can be explained, who, or what, are behind the proportion of these strange objects in the sky that remain unidentifiable? Many people these days claim to have actually met the beings that are behind them; and n most cases people say they have been taken against their will. These days, when the word 'Abducted' is mentioned a lot of people instantly think of 'Alien Abduction'. The most common and notorious offender in abduction cases, is popularly referred to as 'the grey'. In fact, it has been said that alleged abductions are so common place in America that it has been said that if you ever see a UFO the chances are that it is either coming from or going to an abduction!

As we have seen, records of lights in the sky can be traced back thousands of years but talk of alien abductions appears to be very much a product of the modern age. The earliest recorded abductions come from around the 1950's but it appears that it was during the 1980's that reports of such things seem to have really 'took off'.

The Facts of what we know to be true:

1. Aliens are inter-dimensional/Spiritual beings.
2. They do not use interstellar travel.
3. They are malevolent.
4. Their aim is to deceive man-kind.
5. The film industry is helping to prepare us for a "grand deception".
6. "Alien Abductions" stop in the name and authority of Jesus Christ
7. "Alien Abductions" match the abilities of fallen angels as described in the Bible.
8. "Aliens" bring primarily deceptive anti-biblical messages, as is reported by abductees and contactees.


"extraterrestrials" are intentionally evangelizing people to an alternate spirituality (new age) and are demonic in origin.

If this image doesn’t offend you, I don’t know what will. This is ET’s message in a nutshell, and what God has called my life to be dedicated to fighting. The Son of God is not “crucified afresh” on planet after planet throughout millions of galaxies. The Bible says that Christ died once for all.
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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:06 PM
Way too much speculation to expect anything to be VERY accurate, although the points remain all the same. Can't say either way whether they use interstellar travel but the fact is UFOs exist, that much is sure

If some are E.T. in origin, then one can only guess as to motives and additionally, too little is known about the history of planet earth, so we can but only speculate as I said.

Abductions are simple, you either buy it or you don't and as with most things, a lot are probably hoaxes, however, are ALL of them? It's that word again, speculation.

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:06 PM
This was all in a youtube video I watched a few days ago. Some of it almost verbatim. Did you, perhaps, forget to quote and link your sources?

That being said, I agree with the conclusions. "UFOs" exist. I seriously doubt that they are from another star system though. Consider the abduction experience and then compare it to stories of faerie abductions of past centuries. They have been here to long and there are to many to have come from somewhere else.

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:11 PM
reply to post by DarthMuerte

Who's to say that at least one previous advanced civilisation, which there may have been, didn't make it off this spinning ball? Maybe these beings, if they exist, have been here all along, certainly a possibility. Maybe life evolved quicker at the bottom of the sea at the start of all things.
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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:14 PM
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

Chuck Missler thinks this as well, and I tend to agree. I spoke to Chuck for over an hour just last week about this very thing, as well as the subjects of Nibiru, the Nephilim, and the Gog/Magog War. Chuck is a very intelligent man that was the CEO of an aerospace firm that did classified work for the DoD, and he's also an excellent Biblical scholar.

Here is a vid discussing this topic.

Good thread. S&F

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:19 PM
You did a very good job with this thread.

Kenneth Arnold described the ufos he saw as like rocks skipping on a pond.

Read this thread I wrote detailing my encounters with seemingly Extraterrestrial beings.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:20 PM
yeh of course aliens and demons are all the same thing. and yeh most of them are probably trying to decieve us, i think that even goes for a lot of the ones we think to be benevolent. don't see how this fits with pyschic stuff though. every kid you see under the age of 7 is pretty psychic. ive experinced telepathy, telekinesis, precogntive dreams- and that was all while i was a "christian" , just like you- a good old hateful christian like we ought to be. now that ive began to meditate these things have increased while im not really trying to go in that direction. and i've never seen a ghost or had any other paranormal experinces

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:23 PM

It cannot be denied that there is a connection between UFO encounters and psychic phenomena.

Well seeing as neither UFO encounters or psychic phenomena have been proven to exist at this point its impossible to say they are linked. What can be proved is that the some of the people who report psychic phenomena are the same people who report UFO encounters and vice versa.

Some people might suggest its just a personality flaw that makes people want to believe in extra ordinary things that dont exist. I wouldn't be so quick to suggest this myself but it is a theory.

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:26 PM
I think you're right about this. The alien beings I saw (experience described in my above posted link) were definitely not physical in nature, but nonetheless alive. Spirit (life essence) somewhat transcends this physical existence.

Not all of these beings are demonic though. Some are angelic. What I learned from my encounters is that demons and angels might just be how we dualistically interpret a single being. I learned from my encounter that the beings I saw were actually one being with two faces.

The spirit is one.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:27 PM

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
This was all in a youtube video I watched a few days ago, OP. Some of it almost verbatim. Did you, perhaps, forget to quote and link your sources, OP?

How does Jesus stand on liars, thieves and plagiarizers?

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:30 PM
When you quote from other sites you dont quote the whole thing.

You basically copy pasted stuff from different sites

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:38 PM

Originally posted by AlchemicalMonocular

Originally posted by DarthMuerte
This was all in a youtube video I watched a few days ago, OP. Some of it almost verbatim. Did you, perhaps, forget to quote and link your sources, OP?

How does Jesus stand on liars, thieves and plagiarizers?
Until proven otherwise, I am going to assume that he made an error. For all I know, he may have made the video I saw. He certainly attributed the direct quotes, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. There was only 1 perfect man.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 12:52 PM
reply to post by RevelationGeneration

This is the same dead horse being beaten into an oblivion on so many forums, and in so many different internet settings.

If you think all of these things, and you're sure of them as you are...then why does it matter?

Do you realize that there are all sorts of people out there who have had these experiences that aren't attempting to change the world's perspectives? They're the ones who are silent about it...because they're the one's who have ultimately experienced it.

Those who have not yet had these experiences but believe, are the very one's who end up making threads like these. -Look, don't be in such a rush to push something you don't yet understand. All sorts of deceptions are coming, and in fact, you yourself are participating in one pretty much without your conscious knowledge of it.

Am I calling you a liar? NOPE. Am I saying that what you say is incorrect...NOPE. What I am saying is this...what you are INSIDE OF is an all out LIE and until you figure out the depth of THAT LIE, its best to leave the alien agenda alone for a bit.

Here's a HINT, and hopefully you can extrapolate from there. The beginning of this video is a bit hokey, but, the content certainly IS NOT.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:09 PM
Psychic phenomena in relation to UFO activity does not negate the possibility of these craft or beings coming from elsewhere. It doesn't add evidence for them coming from elsewhere either.

Just because we can't figure out how they got here from light years away, doesn't mean it can't be done. We're still marveling over the pyramids, and we're going to give definitive answers about space travel? NOT!

ET or ED? Maybe both. Or neither. But demons? Only if one comes from a Christian perspective, and believes God has a nemesis HE created, that he can't or won't control.

There's good and bad everywhere. Not just here on earth.

S&F though, because this was food for thought, and presented well. But you really should use external quote tags when using someone else's work. As you can see, the word plagiarism has already been bandied.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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No this wasn't a copy&past job like you make out. I spent way over an hour gathering the information, compiling it together and adding my own parts to it.
Sources are included. Before being so quick to critisize and judge people, if you think you can do better than feel free to make your own topic and bring something to the ATS community yourself, just a thought.

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:16 PM
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The only people who say this is a dead horse are the ones who do not want to admit the psychic or paranormal aspects connected to the UFO phenomena in fear that the truth may just change their own belief system. Or people who still want to hold onto the child like but fun facet of intersteller travel, which is in no way possible btw.
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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by Klassified
Psychic phenomena in relation to UFO activity does not negate the possibility of these craft or beings coming from elsewhere. It doesn't add evidence for them coming from elsewhere either.

If we look at the big picture all the evidence suggests that these are not physical spacemen in physical nuts and bolts space craft. If we deny ignorance and follow the evidence the conclusion is that these aliens are extra-dimensional and not flesh and blood alien life forms. The Psychic phenomena surrounding UFO phenomena only further supports this hypothesis. Although you may not believe in the Christian world view, which is your choice and this is not a Christian thread, extra-dimensional being is really just another word for demon, or fallen angel as that is essentially what a spirit being is. There does not have to be division between people of faith and non-believers on this issue, what we must all understand is that "aliens" are interdimensional and not extraterrestrial as this is the key to understanding the UFO phenomena.

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posted on May, 29 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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I could really care less WHAT ufos/aliens are.

They could be angels, gods, demons, aliens, or poke'mon for all I care.

Your speculations are just that; speculation. Until we have a UFO type craft in the public domain to examine, or have aliens popping in for a cup of tea, out of the closet and in full public, or on a lab table, You, nor I, or anyone else for that matter can say with any legitimacy what exactly is going on.

Further, your argument is full of logical fallacy in the sudden leap to spiritual/interdimensional/demonic.
One such fallacy is that you look at the entirety of the UFO phenomenon to have only one single origin.

It's a complex issue and could encompass a whole range of similar seeming things that are actually really quite different.

The whole thing could be as complex as microbiology or virology where once superstitious morons throughout history and prehistory thought that illness was caused by spirits, or demons, or gods, or some other spiritual reason.

The ufo phenomenon could be robots, interdimensional beings, critters, real aliens, or even pokemon, and it could be all these things all at once, each type of thing just acting and behaving similarly to the other, just as common terrestrial KNOWN things get confused and misidentified.

When you DON'T KNOW what something is, you can't say what it is, or jump to conclusions about what it is.
You can test for certain things for comparison.
Does it look like a chicken? No? It's probably not a chicken.
Does it look or act like a steam powered locomotive? No? It's probably not one of those either.

Eliminating such possibilities never tells us what something IS, but what something is not.

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