Illinois illegally seizes bees resistant to Roundup; kills remaining queens

Originally posted by HIWATT

Originally posted by jssaylor2007

Originally posted by HIWATT

Originally posted by jssaylor2007
1. Roundup aka Glyphosphate kills plant matter not insects, so the bees couldnt be resistant to that chemical.

LOL!

Ok pal, If RoundUp only kills plant matter, I have a suggestion.

Go down to your local MalWart and purchase a jug of it. Have a seat on your porch with a glass and let us all know how you feel after a few minutes!

This guy looks like he's getting ready for a tour of Fukushima.. it doesn't harm bees though!




Jeez.......

Ok city boy,

Roundup by itself is not dangerous, nice picture, but i bet there is a hell of a lot more chemicals in that tank mix than just round up.

We get roundup in 500 gallon shuttles, and i have taken my fair share of Roundup to the mouth/face/eyes, and I am still doing fine.

Roundup doesnt worry me, its the other chemicals that will get you.

I'm not a "city boy" dumbass, and I've worked on farms in my time as well as a vineyard just these past few years, so I know about this chemical and how nasty it is.

That photo is 100% accurate. You don't handle this stuff unless you're protected. Hell, if there is even the SLIGHTEST wind out, it doesn't get sprayed.

So don't patronise me, FRIENDO.

You made a totally asinine comment where you intimated RoundUp was only harmful to weeds. Which is flat out FALSE.

Your statement about the wind makes your entire post laughable.

The entire reason glyphosphate is carefully monitered during winds is due to the fact that it WILL KILL plants that do not contain the glyphosphate resistant gene. That being said if you kill half of your neighbor's corn then someone has to pay for it.

reply to post by jssaylor2007

If everyone actually knew what kind of strict measures and testing are applied to the GMOs before they are even allowed to be grown in the open air, much less in a farmers field, they wouldnt jump the gun and write all these sensationalist articles

careful now don't say too much about GMO's and safe testing in the same sentence.

Because I will throw GMO Corn and the pandemic of Estrogen Retention into the same sentence, and then the thread would be derailed, so careful with the hot shot claims

I agree monsanto is only looking after
themselves. Although with further investigation
into this thread, if the bees were diseased even the
guys niece checked them, I believe they were
probably diseased and needed to be eradicated..

Who really knows we can't test it now, but rather
be safe then sorry. If this guy produced the results
once, he will be able to produce them again.
So regards to the other bees safe then sorry.
This guy can duplicate the results if it is for real.

Wait a minute.

The government doesn't have ANY authority to govern people's livestock!

What is this? A complete totalitarianism? Obviously it is.,..

The only way to test something like a GMO as a food within reason is to test it over a period of 50+ years so that you can see what types of effects it has on the entire life cycle of the people who eat it, and it's effects on babies etc.

It takes 50+ years to do a conclusive and actual legitimate scientific study of something like this.

Did they do that? Spend 50 years? No...
Therefore we do not know what will happen, and we will find out as it happens, and since it's out in the open all around us, there is nothing we can do about it.

These failed organisms will probably go extinct anyway. Humans able to design an organism with any decency? Forgive me if I have grave doubts...

Originally posted by popsmayhem
I agree monsanto is only looking after
themselves. Although with further investigation
into this thread, if the bees were diseased even the
guys niece checked them, I believe they were
probably diseased and needed to be eradicated..

I am utterly amazed that people will rationalize everything and agree to a government livestock police force that goes around everywhere harassing farmers and "checking" if their livestock is acceptable to government standards.

Safety?
What about my safety as a human being and my right to not have government control every little aspect of life?

Why not just check the food when it goes to the market? How do they get the authority to walk onto someones land without a warrant, fully trespassing, then proceed to destroy people's property?

How about I declare the government's property void and proceed to remove/destroy it because it's unsafe and aged and needs to be replaced. Hey I'm just looking out for everyone's safety (meanwhile I build nuclear bombs while claiming I care about safety).

Originally posted by HIWATT
Ok so this guy has been a bee keeper for almost 60 YEARS , and has spent the last 15 of those researching a connection between the most popular weed killer in the world (designed by Monsanto and no I don't care who owns the patent now - that's irrelevant)... he seems to have found a connection, and some of his bees had allegedly become immune to exposure.

But..... his hives were found to have some disease so they had to "remove" them all.

yeah. riiiighhtttttttt

Also he has been a bee keeper for decades and doing research, but never noticed the grey cells that would show this sickness. But an inspector comes in and notices it right away? I think this guy would have noticed if his bees were sick. It's not like he is a newbee.

Is it just me, or has other people noticed lately that there have been a TON of dead bees laying around??

I've been finding them in my pond, in my jacuzzi, in my pool, on my patio.....they're all dead for mysterious reasons.

I was in the jacuzzi the other day and had three seperate bees literally just dive bomb into the water and commit suicide.

Whats going on with these things?

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by hawkiye

 

It's equally amazing the amount of people will believe any anti government story just because it's an anti government story.

Confirmation bias runs rampant!

Anyone who makes a statement like that is a naive blind fool. Government has a long history of oppressive over bearing incompetent and unlawful action. Idiots that claim any suspicion of government is just an over reaction live in la la land happily drinking their fluoride and dutifully taking their government mandated poisons/vaccines and never had to deal with the bureau-rats oppressing them...

Originally posted by Helmkat
You are talking Illinois here, I would say that the Beekeeper wasn't playing nice with the "good old boys" and that is why his stock got destroyed more then anything else. On a side note with the expansion of private beekeepers around the country it is important to keep deadly diseases in check.

Private backyard beekeepers and small operations have never had colony collapse from what I am told but I have never researched it. Supposedly It is commercial beekeeping that promotes diseases and stresses bees and they are the ones experiencing the colony collapse. Bees keep the hive at a regular temperature year round at 93 degrees. This keeps pests and disease from propagating.

Commercial beekeepers are constantly opening the hive and smoking them and causing the bees to lose their temperature and they have to get it back up. They also stack supers on top for bees to build more comb bees like to build down so it forces bees to do things they don't naturally do. They also use plastic foundations to regulate the size of the combs bees build naturally different sizes to fit their needs etc etc.

Also frames in the hives make it hard for the bees to regulate temperature as they cannot attach the combs to the sides of the hive and make smaller spaces easier to heat. frames make it easier for beeks to get the honey but is harder on the bees. They also do not leave them enough honey to over winter and they feed them sugar water to supplement which is not good for them either.

Backyard beekeepers will likely save the bees when it comes down to it.

reply to post by hawkiye


Lol you are a funny one indeed!

I especially like how you've turned my statement of "It's equally amazing the amount of people will believe any anti government story just because it's an anti government story." which was meaning that some (you) will believe anything that's fed to them, regardless if it's true or not, just as long as it supports your beliefs... and turn it into "You're blind and an idiot who loves the government and will dutifully obey them."

Nice one...

So I'm a naive, blind fool for approaching something with a non-partisan viewpoint...

And because I don't let prejudices dictate my views, I must be a fluoride drinking, vaccine jabbing idiot?

Awesome!

Well I must say, your thinly veiled ad hominem attack on me along with your strawman clearly shows you have no real argument here, and of course you must resort to this childish behavior in order to feel better about yourself or something...

You go getter, you!

Originally posted by milominderbinder

Ok city boy,

Roundup by itself is not dangerous, nice picture, but i bet there is a hell of a lot more chemicals in that tank mix than just round up.

We get roundup in 500 gallon shuttles, and i have taken my fair share of Roundup to the mouth/face/eyes, and I am still doing fine.

Roundup doesnt worry me, its the other chemicals that will get you.

Here's how stupid this idea that "roundup" being safe is:

1. The term "Roundup" is simply a brand name...it in no way references a specific mixture of chemical compounds. Through the years the "recipe" for "Roundup" has frequently been modified, adjusted, and played with.

2. Therefore, let's just say that this years version of "Roundup" is "safe". That doesn't mean NEXT year's will ALSO be "safe". It could contain chemicals that the previous year did not or have altered quantities of chemical compounds.

3. Let's just say that "Roundup" is "safe". That doesn't necessarily mean that it won't inadvertently recombine with OTHER environmental factors elsewhere in the food chain. We now know that ANY living organisms DNA will begin to mutate based upon the diet said organism is consuming. This is true for plants, animals, fungi, and even microbiotic life forms. Thus, "Roundup" could be "safe" for the farmer and corn..but might create small genetic mutations in the cattle that EATS said corn which could have PROFOUND impacts upon the humans who eat the beef products from the affected cattle.

4. Just because "Roundup" doesn't cause any PRIMARY observational health problems in the farmers using it...doesn't mean that it doesn't affect others who are around it...especially children who are still developing. Likewise, it may cause mutations in a populations zygotes so that such problems are not even noticed until people in the farm community reproduce.

Lastly...here's a little observational reality for you. My wife (born 1967) grew up on a dairy farm in a (very) small town in WI. Her graduating class from High School had 103 students in it. She is now 44 years old and there have been 11 people in that graduating class diagnosed with brain tumors, 7 of which have died. Likewise, the town did not have even ONE documented case of a brain tumor prior to 1974....a good thirty years after X-Ray technology was widely in use.

Now, I'm certainly not an oncologist...but I'm pretty goddamn sure that the national average for brain tumors isn't 10.68%. I know for a fact that 10%+ of my address book has not been diagnosed with such.

SOMETHING in the environment triggered this amongst CHILDREN who were still developing. The big change in this farming community in the 70's was that the use of "Roundup" became nearly universal amongst the farms. No other chemical compound was added so widely or so pervasively throughout the community during these years.

Still think it's "safe"?

I would also add that this type of reasoning is like saying "I smoked a cigarette one day, and I didn't get cancer."

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by hawkiye

 

Lol you are a funny one indeed!

I especially like how you've turned my statement of "It's equally amazing the amount of people will believe any anti government story just because it's an anti government story." which was meaning that some (you) will believe anything that's fed to them, regardless if it's true or not, just as long as it supports your beliefs... and turn it into "You're blind and an idiot who loves the government and will dutifully obey them."

Nice one...

So I'm a naive, blind fool for approaching something with a non-partisan viewpoint...

And because I don't let prejudices dictate my views, I must be a fluoride drinking, vaccine jabbing idiot?

Awesome!

Well I must say, your thinly veiled ad hominem attack on me along with your strawman clearly shows you have no real argument here, and of course you must resort to this childish behavior in order to feel better about yourself or something...

You go getter, you!

What part of the " the governments blatant track record of corruption" do you not understand? Track records trump partisanship. You trying to act all unbiased is laughable when you fail to take their track record into consideration. As for the things you assume were ad hominems as the saying goes; If the shoe fits...

reply to post by tothetenthpower

The Illinois Ag Dept. illegally seized privately owned bees from renowned naturalist, Terrence Ingram, without providing him with a search warrant and before the court hearing on the matter, reports Prairie Advocate News.

Stand OFF!!! Shot Gun IN Hand get the F**k of MY Land

The the Local Police Come
While Dialing 911 on a Cell Phone ...

Then Reporters Come with News Cameras

Then The local Media send out the Message

Then its Nation Wide to World Wide Public !

Knowledge!!! !!

Well thats would ive Done in that situation with No Warrant !!!

Warn !!

I got The Other Queens in my House and if you Shoot Me dead !!
this Dead man Switch Im Holding Ill Release Them !

so much of this doesn't make sense to me.
am hoping a backyard beekeeper might shed some light.
this story poses quite a few questions, anyone have answers ??

IF they were really diseased and a potential threat for a 10 miles radius, why did the Ag wait so long to act ?

IF the inspectors desired a level of cooperation with the beekeeper, why did they tresspass, repeatedly ?

IF the recommended eradication is by fire, why did they transport them ?

IF the beekeeper is 60yrs experienced, insistant that the report of disease is in error and intended on fighting the warnings, why didn't he take action first ?
(if he did anything, what'd he do?)

Could this be a "test" or a ploy initiated by agents of Monsanto with the intention of systematically destroying backyard beekeepers ?

Is it really reasonable to assume that such an experienced beekeeper would overlook and/or intentionally spread such a disastrous disease?

How would a backyard beekeeper be able to prove the USDA test results were flawed ??
It's not like the USDA has a near perfect record or anything.

IF these bees were diseased, i'm glad action was taken but i wonder why it wasn't the prescribed method.

still can't understand why ... IF these bees presented a problem months earlier ... they didn't take action sooner ?

and lastly, If these bees were destroyed/transported without good cause, may those involved suffer equal calamity.

reply to post by Honor93

I too am curious. I found the beekeeper in mention give an interview.

www.youtube.com...

In the interview he blatantly attacks the credibility of the female inspector by saying that she "had no real understanding of how bees actually work"

His account of actual 'bee-haviour' seems rather plausible on the basis that weather/climate conditions where the reasons behind the alleged 'sick' and 'latargic condition of the bees. Meaning the cold cause bees to group together in a unit in order to stay warm and survive the winter.

This is seemingly the evidence used by the inspector to warrant a court order for the removal of the bee hives. Allow me to say that if this much were true, there is perhaps a failure of sound advice and oversight from the national beekeeping organisations towards state or federal administrations.

IT is worth knowing that within the so called New World Order, there are procedures and policy. A state judge can only operate with sufficient guidance and information that usually comes from academia/scientific institutes or committees etc.

Contribution to these institutes or committees can of course come from corporate/private enterprise as they are often people with lenghty careers/knowledge/experience in their fields.

The question of conspiracy therefore lies with Monsantos contribution to federal or state law making.

- Whom were the key individuals behind the law/state policy?
- What objections were put forward at the time of the law passing?
- Whom did these objections come from?
- What reason was there for their objections to be denied?
- Have similar disputes/conflicts arisen since the time of the laws passing?
- What resolutions were made if any?

"IF your going to play political left or right you sure as hell better get your facts right, otherwise you;ll be fried like chicken on a black mans BBQ"

"The court of law has no room for magic.... get it or forget it"

Originally posted by AlonzoTyper
Is it just me, or has other people noticed lately that there have been a TON of dead bees laying around??

I've been finding them in my pond, in my jacuzzi, in my pool, on my patio.....they're all dead for mysterious reasons.

I was in the jacuzzi the other day and had three seperate bees literally just dive bomb into the water and commit suicide.

Whats going on with these things?

As opposed to bee's dying of non mysterious deaths? How do you know their deaths are mysterious? I am just curious, we have so many specialists on this thread it appears.

reply to post by milominderbinder


Let me make sure I understand this, due to this story your wife told you, you believe that it caused their brain cancer? This is enough "research" and "evidence" for you to make an informed decision?

reply to post by tothetenthpower


If you want to kill humanity, kill off bees. Humanity will die as soon as food stores run dry. Without bees, humanity and most non aquatic species will die in a matter of months. Honey bees are the primary source of pollination for many species of plants and fruits humans need for dietary consumption.

Monsanto is a terrorist organization, they are eco-terrorists and they will be a major cause for the death of much of humanity if they are not stopped.

reply to post by JamScream

thanks for the contribution but i cannot watch videos atm (no sound either)
although, i am curious to hear what the beekeeper, himself, has to say.

not sure how or why the "regulations" rather laws would pre-empt test results.
i'm also still curious how (or even if possible) the beekeeper could prove the USDA results are less than reflective of the situation at hand.

i also find it odd that the lead inspector consulted another inspector from a different region before taking any affirmative action.
kinda makes one wonder if this disease is detrimental to others or not ??