Minister Warns of Civil War with Kalashnikovs!

Looks like Greece is right on the edge of the cliff now and if this Minister (quoted below) is right - this will spread like a wild fire through Europe. I really believe this will be the spark that lights the fuse.

Spain too is looking very precarious along with Italy - already huge amounts of Euros are being withdrawn from banks according to Sky News. (sorry no evidence on this one) But it's inevitable people are afraid for their life savings.

TextAn outgoing Greek minister warned that the country could descend into “civil war” amid the chaos of a euro exit. “If Greece cannot meet its obligations and serve its debt the pain will be great,” Michalis Chrysohoidis was quoted as telling a local radio station. “What will prevail are armed gangs with Kalashnikovs and which one has the greatest number of Kalashnikovs will count … we will end up in civil war.”

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We've watched this play out for months now but the signs now, are like it's looking imminent.

Among my concerns are the realities of Civil War in a Western Society among generations that are simply not used to this kind of reaction - How do you think people will cope?

Originally posted by quedup

Spain too is looking very precarious along with Italy - already huge amounts of Euros are being withdrawn from banks according to Sky News. (sorry no evidence on this one) But it's inevitable people are afraid for their life savings.

About Italy, it's true. I have family there and last week they told how bad is there now. My family in Italy will sell the house before they loose it, can't afford mortgage anymore.

EU was a big mistake, but they had to have that experience.

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So sorry to hear that Trueman - it really is a devastating thing to happen to anyone. But shootings and violence takes it to yet another level and mass panic will ensue. Guess preparation is key.

I don't think people quite realise just what Civil War really means - it is VERY ugly and will see all institution collapse - money will have no value and those that go through it will be glad to come through it with their lives.

I can't believe the lack of response to what could well be a spark for the world in many ways.

What the minister is saying will happen, is not civil war, it is insurrection, lawlessness on a massive scale, but not civil war. Although I do see a civil war happening after that point.

The Greek society is breaking down, the austerity measures they are being forced to endure is beyond brutal, Brussels dictating the poor masses have to pay for the mistakes of rich bankers and politicians, the Greek people have had enough. And rightly so, why should they all be stripped of money so some banker does not lose his investment, and that is what all of these austerity measures have ever been about, speculating and greedy bankers who stretched the economy of the world beyond breaking point. There never was a need to bail out the banks, to poor trillions into them, all that was needed was the protection of the ordinary bank customer, ensure they did not lose their money and let the investors take a hit as should happen in a free market economy.

However letting the banks fail meant that political contributors would be hit and that could never be allowed to happen, the fools that gambled the money away have to be protected, the people must pay.

There will be civil war sooner or later, and it will hit every country eventually, it will spread across Europe first, but will eventually hit America too. It will be a socialist revolution, where the people are fed up paying for bank and corporate mistakes. I just hope it does not go to far left, the last thing we need is another Stalin. Capitalism has failed, it was eaten alive by corporation-ism, Capitalism thrived when it was actually Capitalism, when it was local businesses that started, when people invested in their community, however the corporations killed everything. Just take a look in your local mall or shopping centre, how many of those store are local independents? Now look how many are corporate franchises, the life, blood and money are sucked out of every town and city, and the people have had enough.

Trouble is these situations bring knee jerk reactions, and the trend is to swing from one side to the other and neither of which are suitable for the common people, we need a middle ground, but it is hard to find

If trust in the "tower" does wane significantly and rapidly, I do believe that most people will be effected significantly and for a long duration, but not as badly as the fears would indicate. The severity of which will be greatly determined by local culture.

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The greatest failed appendage of Capitalism is Socialism. I agree, a balance should be reached. Capitalism as law because True capitalism is law where there is no man, and Socialism by the heart because True socialism is from God.

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You nail it with your post and yes - it's the middle ground we need. Balance is more important than most realise. This all started way back when they got rid of the high street and replaced it with out of town shopping malls. Along with the many other ways they've taken us for suckers.

Yes suckers! Let's face it, that's really what we've been for so long but if they create enough waves, there will surely be a Tsunami but then what? And how will Mr and Mrs Jones who are used to their little and big luxuries cope with that? They won't in my view.

So if this happens, will the U.S. enter Greece, Spain and Italy as well, to "protect"?
Or does the lack of oil make it pointless?

Originally posted by Dasher
If trust in the "tower" does wane significantly and rapidly, I do believe that most people will be effected significantly and for a long duration, but not as badly as the fears would indicate. The severity of which will be greatly determined by local culture.

I partly agree with you but you have to remember that in Europe, there are many cultures who all have different values and different attitudes toward authority with memories of fascism that go way back.

I guess some places will fare better than others but once an infrastructure is disabled - anything goes. It's survival time!

Originally posted by LiberalSceptic
So if this happens, will the U.S. enter Greece, Spain and Italy as well, to "protect"?
Or does the lack of oil make it pointless?

If this happens - and it's truly on the cards - the U.S. will have enough troubles of their own because they'll ignite next in line.

Originally posted by quedup

Originally posted by LiberalSceptic
So if this happens, will the U.S. enter Greece, Spain and Italy as well, to "protect"?
Or does the lack of oil make it pointless?

If this happens - and it's truly on the cards - the U.S. will have enough troubles of their own because they'll ignite next in line.

You are probably correct about that.
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The U.S. and UK are more interconnected than most people are willing to admit - Both financial systems will go into meltdown in a Civil War but the rich and super rich will just sit back and wait till it's all over and set up new systems that will be forced on the populous in the cleverest of ways. And we'll all return to being suckers again.

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Well, then, I don't think we agree very much. How many times has nationalism abused the European people? And, yet, where is the center of global nationalism? The United States were (plural) the attempts to escape that non-sense, and it (notice I did not say "they") was "retaken" by the nationalists without a change in flag. I care little for flags anyway. Also, I do not believe that a truly horrible survival film plot will be the manifested course of our peoples. I am sure there will be certain forms of chaos (victims of the tower's debris field), but for the most part, people that I communicate with about societal concerns don't seem as though they would choose rotting over working together with their neighbors. Unfortunately, it takes a tower falling for some people to come back down the stairs.

Originally posted by quedup
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The U.S. and UK are more interconnected than most people are willing to admit - Both financial systems will go into meltdown in a Civil War but the rich and super rich will just sit back and wait till it's all over and set up new systems that will be forced on the populous in the cleverest of ways. And we'll all return to being suckers again.

As far as I know the U.S. and the U.K. are allies in war, so yes, they are indeed in it together.

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It's all about divided we fall - United we stand - simple as that and that is exactly what they used in times gone by and continue to use and it works.

TPTB are not divided at all - we are.

TextAs Coolio said, we spend our lives living in a gangsta’s paradise. What he failed to mention is that throughout history the most sinister and dangerous gangsters are banksters. There is no shortage of historical quotes to prove this point.

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TextThe Private Federal Reserve It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and money system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. - Henry Ford The world financial system seems complex but it is actually very simple: a cabal of banksters has conquered the world by lending people and governments money that does not exist and charging interest on it.

Take a look at how interconnected we are:


Looting America

A more recent study found that Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo and HSBC now have the power of the Federal Reserve at their fingertips.

That makes sense because after years of making bad loans with artificially low interest rates and foreclosing on millions of American homes, the Fed bailed out the following banks with at least $16.9 trillion according to page 131 of the first GAO audit:
Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many more including banks in Belgium of all places
However, other economists estimate the bankster theft and financial raping of dollar holders since 2008 is $29 trillion.

That’s right, largest banks, many of which appear to own shares in the private Federal Reserve, bailed themselves out in excess of the U.S. 2010 GDP ($14.59 Trillion - value of all goods and services produced in the U.S. for the year). Yes, even the fictional national debt of $15.7 trillion dollars could have been paid-off for less than the bankster stole.

Looting America

A more recent study found that Bank of America, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Wells Fargo and HSBC now have the power of the Federal Reserve at their fingertips.

That makes sense because after years of making bad loans with artificially low interest rates and foreclosing on millions of American homes, the Fed bailed out the following banks with at least $16.9 trillion according to page 131 of the first GAO audit:
Citigroup: $2.5 trillion ($2,500,000,000,000)
Morgan Stanley: $2.04 trillion ($2,040,000,000,000)
Merrill Lynch: $1.949 trillion ($1,949,000,000,000)
Bank of America: $1.344 trillion ($1,344,000,000,000)
Barclays PLC (United Kingdom): $868 billion ($868,000,000,000)
Bear Sterns: $853 billion ($853,000,000,000)
Goldman Sachs: $814 billion ($814,000,000,000)
Royal Bank of Scotland (UK): $541 billion ($541,000,000,000)
JP Morgan Chase: $391 billion ($391,000,000,000)
Deutsche Bank (Germany): $354 billion ($354,000,000,000)
UBS (Switzerland): $287 billion ($287,000,000,000)
Credit Suisse (Switzerland): $262 billion ($262,000,000,000)
Lehman Brothers: $183 billion ($183,000,000,000)
Bank of Scotland (United Kingdom): $181 billion ($181,000,000,000)
BNP Paribas (France): $175 billion ($175,000,000,000)
and many more including banks in Belgium of all places
However, other economists estimate the bankster theft and financial raping of dollar holders since 2008 is $29 trillion.

That’s right, largest banks, many of which appear to own shares in the private Federal Reserve, bailed themselves out in excess of the U.S. 2010 GDP ($14.59 Trillion - value of all goods and services produced in the U.S. for the year). Yes, even the fictional national debt of $15.7 trillion dollars could have been paid-off for less than the bankster stole.

The above information tells us how clever they are and how stupid we are!