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Originally posted by xpert11
edsinger I wasnt kidding when I said Iraq was the biggest intelligence failure since Pearl Habour its the awful truth.
you dont think Saddam would have resorted to the use of WMDs?
Originally posted by Indy
Frankly I'll believe it when I see it and when there is hard evidence provided that Saddam shipped them to Syria. And of course we must assume also that if they got out that we let them get out. You don't move a large stockpile (if it existed) without us knowing. With all the spying we do on them. It would be shameful if we didn't know. But chances are he didn't have them. This would of course be another attempt by the Bush admin to avoid dealing with NK. Syria has no great army. NK does.
Originally posted by edsinger
Look the FACT is Saddam HAD them at one time.
He had the capability to make more.
He did not have any proof he destroyed them. Just becuase the UN couldn't find them you base your opionion? Come on! The UN couldnt find anything,
I find this attitude really funny.
Saddam would NOT have used them as that would have shown that he had them and it would not have changed the outcome if had used them.
Saddam wasnt stupid, he just miscalculated that we would not attack. THe French and Germans told him they would block any attemt to do so.
Originally posted by taibunsuu
This just in: US in talks with Syria for strategic military alliance. This probably is the reason that Syria's recent use of chemical weapons in the Sudan has gone without comment from the White House. With US plans for Iraq in tatters, looks like Washington is once again making strange new friends.
Back to you, Skip.
Originally posted by SomewhereinBetween
Oh? And your source declaring the facilities and or precursors post invasion are?
Would you be so kind as to point me to the February, March and April 2003 U.N Reports that corroborate your story?
Why wouldn't he? Saddam was no fool, he knew he could not win, and he was also told he would be charged with war crimes. In other words, he couldn't bargain a passage from hell to purgatory, so why would he not use them to destroy as many of his enemies as possible?
Links to identified French and German governmental sources would go a long way to help your floundering case.
Originally posted by edsinger
Originally posted by taibunsuu
This just in: US in talks with Syria for strategic military alliance. This probably is the reason that Syria's recent use of chemical weapons in the Sudan has gone without comment from the White House. With US plans for Iraq in tatters, looks like Washington is once again making strange new friends.
Back to you, Skip.
Well They also dont have them do they? Then how can they use them in the Sudan? Ah, borrowed them from Egypt I am sure...
Originally posted by xpert11
When Saddam realized that defeat was inevitable he would have done anything to try and stem the tide and defeat the coalition forces.
Originally posted by jsobecky
I don't know...I won't believe anything until the UN verifes it.
Originally posted by Muaddib
Originally posted by xpert11
When Saddam realized that defeat was inevitable he would have done anything to try and stem the tide and defeat the coalition forces.
So it took them weeks to bury many if not most wmd, you think he could have just unburied them in hours?
[edit on 4-10-2004 by Muaddib]
Originally posted by edsinger
"The Iraqi Survey Group has yet to submit its final report," Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy chief of U.S. Central Command, said. "Besides, who knows what we will find in two years, who knows what was moved to countries like Syria. What we know for certain is that Saddam Hussein had carried out research into an array of weapons of mass destruction."
The military's assessment that Syria has received Iraqi WMD has been shared by the Defense Department, officials said. They said U.S. reconnaissance satellites had detected the entry of Iraqi convoys of suspected WMD and missile cargo into Syria and Lebanon's Bekaa Valley in early 2003.
"It's a clear fact that the deposits of weapons of mass destruction have not been found since the end of the major combat operations," Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said. "Another possibility is they gave them to some other country or hid them in some other country."
Officials said Saddam agents have sought to kill Iraqis with knowledge of the former regime's nuclear weapons program. They cited the assassination of Iraqi nuclear scientist Mohammed Toki Hussein Al Talakani on Sept. 4 in the Sunni city of Mahmudiya.
"The information available to us doesn't indicate Iraq had these drones for the delivery of chemical or biological weapons agents, nor had they gone beyond the 150 kilometer range," UN commission spokesman Ewen Buchanan said. "But we're open to new information and looking forward to the Iraq Survey Group's findings."
www.worldtribune.com...
Originally posted by slank
And NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE has been accomplised) [Please don't pedal that liberate Iraq BS, Please.]
We may have let WMDs slip through our fingers. Wasn't the POINT of this war to ELIMINATE WMDs? Iraq is Bush's FAILURE
Originally posted by Muaddib
It was not Bush failure....was Bush personally looking over the shoulder of every US soldier and moving them in Iraq?
Was it Bush who diminished our intelligence agencies and military from 1992-2000?
And of course, let's not look at what we have achieved since the war in Iraq....who really wants to take notice of what has been accomplished huh?
Originally posted by edsinger
Read the Reports m8! It made CNN , I cant remember where but the jist was he could have started production VERY fast.
Did you not see the pics of the trucks leaving the rear of the facility being inspected while the UN waits out front to get in?
Well I disgaree, [that he would use WMD] he is not dead yet is he? he is a coward, but he did not want to die and believe it or not, I do not think the generals would have used them if ordered anyway. Saddam figured he needed to get to Paris.
Links to identified French and German governmental sources would go a long way to help your floundering case.
I bet they didnt publish all the French Passports issued to regime members before the invasion did they. You need to wake up!
Originally posted by taibunsuu
The only reason the Iraqi situation has not collapsed is because of the high quality of our men and women in uniform. The strategy issued by the White House is an utter disaster. The GIs in that country are holding it together. They have not failed but exceeded.
Do you really believe people buy this crap, still? He had three years to review the intelligence of that country.
What, exactly, has been accomplished?
Salman Pak - Iraq�s own terrorist training camp
Two Iraqi Military defectors, an unnamed former Lt. General and a Captain Sabah Khodada recently gave details of an Iraqi school at Salman Pak which includes training for the hijacking of passenger airliners and other modes of transportation. The former Iraqi General said that there was a old Boeing 707 resting next to rail tracks on edge of Salman Pak being used in terrorist training, the existence of this aircraft has been confirmed by UN. Inspectors.