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Dont bother voting, America has no right & we're all doomed.

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posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:02 AM
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Something still smells rotten in the State of Florida and nobody cares to cover the issue. In 2000 Gore won by 7000 votes and yet Dubya was able to hijack the elections with the help of daddy and his crommies on the supreme court.

news.independent.co.uk...

Not only that, but just to make sure Dubya has enough swing states under his belt, it looks like Ohio will join the mix and become another Florida in November.

static.act04.org...

So there ya go folks, dont bother voting because the American people have no right in deciding who will become the next president. Bush has now secured 2 swing states by potentially cheating his way back into the Oval office (again), because the almighty God is on Dubya's side, c'mon we should all know this by now, Dubya's the chosen one to lead the free world and eventually declaire World War III on the Middle East/Islam.

If not, we'll all die by terrorism!

This is playing right into the hands of Nostradamus predictions of 3 dictators, Napoleon, Hitler and Bush! not Saddam. Plus the bible predicted the anti-christ will decieve us to believe he's a follower of God, a do gooder, a man which is the son of the worlds most powerfullest King (former president aka king George H.W Bush).

I wonder if the world will suffer the fate of Mel Gibson in Mad Max or Kevin Costner in Waterworld? It's a tough pick lol
which one do you prefer?



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:04 AM
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Gore lost florida and the election.
And don't give me any crap about the popular vote either the popular vote has never been the method for determining the president.

My god four years later and still so much IGNORANCE



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:08 AM
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In accordance with Title 42 Chapter 20 Subchapter I Section 1971 of US Code, No person acting under color of law shall...deny the right of any individual to vote in any election because of an error or omission on any record or paper relating to any application, registration, or other act requisite to voting, if such error or omission is not material in determining whether such individual is qualified under State law to vote in such election.

Is that why the Gore Campaign in 2000 attempted to have the votes of military members serving overseas excluded because of a discrepancy over the non-standard postmarks on their absentee ballots?



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
IGNORANCE


They used all the dirty tricks they had to get Bush into power, you cannot ignore that. All the 'half-punched chad's' and people not allowed to vote (more specifically the black, liberal voting populous) and now with that ludacris computer system (which was hacked by a journalist) in place there is little hope.

They weasiled their way in last time without getting the most votes, and this time they have had four years preperation!

Out with skull 'n bonesmen I say.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:12 AM
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Out with skull 'n bonesmen I say.

Oh, are you voting for Nader?



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by mwm1331
And don't give me any crap about the popular vote either the popular vote has never been the method for determining the president.


Funny cause the last time a presidential elections were held it was determined by a supreme court.

Sounds like a new "method" to me


mwm1331 you must be a follower of Gods chosen one George W Bush.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer

Originally posted by mwm1331
And don't give me any crap about the popular vote either the popular vote has never been the method for determining the president.


Funny cause the last time a presidential elections were held it was determined by a supreme court.

Sounds like a new "method" to me


mwm1331 you must be a follower of Gods chosen one George W Bush.


Thank you for illustrating my point in reference to ignorance syntaxer



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:15 AM
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Originally posted by earthtone
and people not allowed to vote (more specifically the black,
liberal voting populous)


Black people disenfranchised? Oh, do you mean the thousands of
black CONVICTS who were not allowed to vote? There is a reason
that convicted criminals are not allowed to vote. The law is proper.
No qualified voters in Florida were 'not allowed to vote'. None.

Hmmmmm - weren't there something like 35,000 people in Florida
double registered to vote in both Florida and New York? 85% of
them were democrats. That was big news a month or two ago.

Gore lost Florida even though he tried to weasle it away from
George Bush. That's just a fact. Live with it people.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:36 AM
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At some point you need to move forward rather than dwell on the elections of 2000. If there is a candidate that you would prefer to have in office, please vote. If you don't care one way or another about who our next President will be then stay home on election day.

Jemison



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:37 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Black people disenfranchised?



Just do a bit of research.

An article about a book written by investigative reporter Greg Palast, "the greatest investigative reporter of our time" ( according to some apparently )




Palast maintains that those chads and the confusion are beside the point. What he shows is that by "block and purge" operations, Gov. Jeb Bush and his underlings in Florida were able to prevent at least 100,000 voters from voting. More than 50,000 were purged from the voters' rolls, and another 40,000 barred from registering, on the grounds of being convicted felons. Of those blocked or purged, more than half were black, and most were poor, which means, from voter demographics, that they would have probably voted Democrat.

The "block and purge" operations were followed by another "no count" trick: 179,855 ballots were not counted. And Palast, using official documents (from cooperative election officers) again detects a pattern of discrimination: counties with heavily black populations show a markedly higher percentage of uncounted ballots.

The contract to provide the "scrub list" (voters to be purged) was awarded to a computer company (with Republican connections) which had turned in the costliest bid, with the amount awarded even higher than the bid. The charge per record was 10 times the industry norm. After Palast's expos, the new contractor admitted that the lists they provided were 95 percent wrong. Only 1 in 20 remained in a validated list.





Governor Jeb Bush required convicted felons from other states who had served their time to seek executive clemency from him before being registered, which was against federal law. Florida courts ordered him to allow them to register, but he ignored the order. Worse, his Office of Executive Clemency not only lied that it had sent out a letter to that effect, but tried to cover up with another letter (after elections) saying the opposite. Palast has copies of both letters.



Can't you see they arn't playing fair? They broke the law.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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Since national attention has been on Florida's popular vote and the election results, let's take a look.

Final certified vote for the state of Florida (25 electoral votes) Presidential Candidate Vote Total Pct Party

George W. Bush (W) 2,912,790 48.850 Republican
Al Gore 2,912,253 48.841 Democrat

Ralph Nader 97,421 1.633 Green
Patrick J. Buchanan 17,412 0.292 Reform
Harry Browne 16,102 0.270 Libertarian
John Hagelin 2,274 0.038 Natural Law/Reform
Howard Phillips 1,378 0.023 Constitution
Other 3,027 0.051 -
Total 5,962,657 100.00
Source: CBS News State Results for Election 2000

What's it going to be for dinner? Fried crow or baked?


[edit on 29/9/04 by Intelearthling]



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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Vote for Bush and you're voting to reinstate the Draft.

See ya in the middle-east everyone!



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:45 AM
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Well don't feel so bad syntaxer, my daughter will be able to delayed the draft because she will be a senior by the summer next year in UGA, but my poor son is just 18 and he maybe will be lucky enough to be left from the first call, now beware the young people form 23 to 26.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:47 AM
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Thank you for the information. I will discuss it bit by
bit with you (and anyone else). There is a lot there
to go piece by piece. We can start here ...

"More than 50,000 were purged from the voters' rolls,
and another 40,000 barred from registering, on the grounds
of being convicted felons. Of those blocked or purged, more
than half were black, and most were poor,'

What was the reason given to purge 50,000 voters? Were
they actually dead people that were still on the voter list?
(Having dead people vote democrat isn't unheard of) What
was the reason given?

40,000 people barred because they are convited felons. Fine.
That is fine. Convicted felons can't vote for very good reasons.
Claiming that half were black and poor doesn't mean much
except that, if these stats are correct, then those poor black people
should have stayed out of trouble so they could have kept their
right to vote.

We could go on and on about the Florida results. You could claim
that Gore got slighted. I can claim that Gore tried to steal the election
and failed. The fact of the matter is that Gore didn't get the votes
in Florida. He just didn't. That was four years ago. We will have
to see if Floridians have learned to vote and count better, or if they
will forever be referred to as Flori-duh.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by vatar


Out with skull 'n bonesmen I say.

Oh, are you voting for Nader?


Yeah no non-Skull & Bones man has a real chance to win this year. We have Nader and Badnarik both of which are beyond long shots right now.

Bush Kerry we all lose and Skull & Bones wins either way


[edit on 29-9-2004 by ShadowXIX]



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:51 AM
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Originally posted by earthtone

Originally posted by mwm1331
IGNORANCE


They used all the dirty tricks they had to get Bush into power, you cannot ignore that. All the 'half-punched chad's' and people not allowed to vote (more specifically the black, liberal voting populous) and now with that ludacris computer system (which was hacked by a journalist) in place there is little hope.

They weasiled their way in last time without getting the most votes, and this time they have had four years preperation!

Out with skull 'n bonesmen I say.


Actually, it was the Democrats "dirty tricks" that attempted to steal the election. A recount was asked for, but only in three counties where the Dems thought they could sway the vote. During said recount, the process was controlled by the Democrats with Republican observers. The complaints of vast fraud BY the Dems were ignored. A ballot would be held up that had no clear vote punched, and the Dems would count it for Gore. It was such a travesty, and the fraud so blatant it had to be taken to court.

Those you claim that were "not allowed to vote" were convicted felons for the most part, or persons who had not met the state requirements to register properly. They were NOT disallowed by the Republicans as you erroneously claim, they were denied by the election officials in the districts where they should have properly registered. Some of those officials are Republican, some are Democrat. This lie has been perpetrated to attempt to tick off minorities so that they will vote for the Democrats.

Yes....I agree...ignorance....



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Vote for Bush and you're voting to reinstate the Draft.
See ya in the middle-east everyone!


The only people screaming 'draft' are those democrats
using it as a scare tactic to try to get the 18-15 year old
vote. The NEA and the 'Rock the Vote' lefties are saying
the republicans are pushing for a draft, when that isn't
the case at all.

Current draft bill info -

Introduced: January 7, 2003 by Sen. Ernest F. Hollings [SC].
Cosponsors: None.

Status: 1/7/2003 Read twice and referred to the
Senate Committee on Armed Services



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Vote for Bush and you're voting to reinstate the Draft.

See ya in the middle-east everyone!


You haven't got a clue.

There are several threads that have already addressed this farce. Another scare tactic used by Kerry to strike fear in the youth of America. The draft is not needed as we have enough in the all volunteer force to meet our needs for personnel, and it would only be used in the case of dire national emergency. That emergency does not exist now.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by syntaxer
Something still smells rotten in the State of Florida and nobody cares to cover the issue. In 2000 Gore won by 7000 votes and yet Dubya was able to hijack the elections with the help of daddy and his crommies on the supreme court.

In the 2k elections, bush won. then there was a recount for some counties. bush won. then they was more recounting in select counties that gore wanted, the supreme court stopped the recounts. People afterwards looked at the ballots, and found that the only way gore wins is if every country recounts, and he never asked for that. If the SC had allowed the recounts to continue, Bush still wins. And where'd you get this 7000 number from ?



Of the many weird and unsettling developments in Florida since the presidential election meltdown four years ago, none is so startling as the fact that Theresa LePore, the calamitously incompetent elections supervisor of Palm Beach County, still has her job.

Ok, give the job to a Republican then.


Citing an arcane ruling that requires voter registration cards be printed on 80 pound stock paper, Blackwell is threatening to void registrations submitted on a lighter weight paper, demanding they re-apply. There is no time to reapply and thousands of voters could be left off the rolls.

Who the heck gave out the wrong paper in the first place? How does this favour republicans and disfavour democrats?


earthtone
and now with that ludacris computer system (which was hacked by a journalist) in place there is little hope.

Agreed. Computerized voting is moronic. Both parties are idiots for allowing it to happen. Even if they aren't hacked, now the loser (from either side ) can claim they were and mess up the system.

syntaxer
Funny cause the last time a presidential elections were held it was determined by a supreme court.

Absurd. Gore brought his complaint to court. Bush brought a countersuit to court. Are you saying courts should not have heard either of them?


flyersfan
Oh, do you mean the thousands of
black CONVICTS who were not allowed to vote?

I think he means the people who were 'mistakenly' but on the felons list and weren't allowed to vote and then, after the voting was over, were taken off. Yeah, those people. No one seems to be concerned over that, which is a real issue.

weren't there something like 35,000 people in Florida
double registered to vote in both Florida and New York? 85% of
them were democrats.

Thats another real issue too, and people instead babble over getting rid of the electoral college.

syntaxer

Vote for Bush and you're voting to reinstate the Draft.

Interesting, you've been put on the defensive, and now wip out a non sequitor. Actually the person who started the call for a draft was Charles Rangell, a democrat from NY, he said he wants the draft back so thta there will be 60's era style protests. Anyway, it would be political suicide for bush to reinstate the draft, and any party the actually votes it in is going to loose presidencies and congressional seats, so this b/s about bush reinstating the draft is, er, daft.



posted on Sep, 29 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Current draft bill info -

Introduced: January 7, 2003 by Sen. Ernest F. Hollings [SC].
Cosponsors: None.

Status: 1/7/2003 Read twice and referred to the
Senate Committee on Armed Services



Not to mention the OTHER draft bill introduced in 2003 by Democrat Rangle and cosponsored by 5 OTHER Democrats, and NO Republicans....


And hey...you keep beating me to the punch by like, 2 seconds!!!




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