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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by yampa
Quantum Mechanics is a large rotting tree, waiting to topple. Don't accept non-physical physics.
What are you saying, that because you can't explain the quantum weirdness with classical physics, it is all an misunderstanding?
And that we should not accept what we are seeing in quantum experiments?
Originally posted by dawnprince
reply to post by yampa
Is mere thought not FTL ?
When you think of the process involved in a reflex action , would that not be FTL ?
Consciousness has nothing to do with the quantum realm. That's another piece of popsci poison.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
What are you saying, that because you can't explain the quantum weirdness with classical physics, it is all an misunderstanding?
And that we should not accept what we are seeing in quantum experiments?
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by yampa
Consciousness has nothing to do with the quantum realm. That's another piece of popsci poison.
It has everything to do with it, and also would explain everything.
There are quantum experiments that prove that it is in fact the knowledge of a human of what a particle has done that is repsonsible for a result, and not the interference that detectors might have on the process.
I can post them if you like.
I'll pass on that 'evidence', thanks. Adding New Age babble to non-physical physics is not my thing.
I don't believe in the mystifications of quantum weirdness. Entanglement, superposition, wave/particle duality, quantum tunnelling can be explained efficiently, visually and mechanically using physical physics, without esoteric probabilistic mathematics and associated voodoo.
And what is it you think you are seeing in a entanglement experiment like the one I showed?
If you want to tell me how the thoughts get out your neocortex and focus themselves on a quantum particle which is many times smaller, avoiding all the noisy interactions in between (which are always seen in quantum interactions), please provide a physical mechanism for the transmission?
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by yampa
I'll pass on that 'evidence', thanks. Adding New Age babble to non-physical physics is not my thing.
Translation, "My mind is closed and I will not review anything that doesn't fit my preconceived notion".
Typical.
I don't believe in the mystifications of quantum weirdness. Entanglement, superposition, wave/particle duality, quantum tunnelling can be explained efficiently, visually and mechanically using physical physics, without esoteric probabilistic mathematics and associated voodoo.
You can? Can you EXPLAIN entanglement and wave/particle duality with normal phyics? Please give an example.
And what is it you think you are seeing in a entanglement experiment like the one I showed?
What experiment did you show?
If you want to tell me how the thoughts get out your neocortex and focus themselves on a quantum particle which is many times smaller, avoiding all the noisy interactions in between (which are always seen in quantum interactions), please provide a physical mechanism for the transmission?
In certain variations of the Double Slit exp. we can observe the path of a particle with a detector when it is given a choice and look at the detector and the results. That's how our consciousness connects with a particle and the process.
I think it is your mind that is closed. Closed to reality
. And this is partially the fault of the quantum priesthood. You do not realise that all physical theories require a *mediator*. Some thing, some real thing has to move from one place to another for a communication to take place. If you can't properly describe the motions of particles in the field, please don't insult us by pretending you can trivially add a huge level of complexity by introducing consciousness into the equation.
I pasted a link to an experiment, and could show many others, which claim to show entanglement, but completely ignore that non-locality and instantaneous communication imply the existence of FTL transmission. FTL is a big deal, remember? If FTL entanglement is a fact, then why doesn't every entanglement experiment generate the same buzz as the OPERA neutrinos?
Quantum computing is a fundraising/plundering exercise by job preserving academics and profit driven industry. These people are well aware that, at this late stage of the game, the public will swallow anything they are told, as long as they drop the word 'quantum' in front of it and hide it behind sufficient jargon. So these questions go unasked. People don't even recognise them as real questions anymore, despite the fact that these theories were deeply troubling to the likes of Einstein and Schrödinger.
Wave particle duality? using regular mathematics? Ok - Photons, electrons, have real spin. Real physical spin. A particle with multiple stacked spins will wave in motion. This is a fact. There is no metaphysical duality, since it is easily demonstrable that a particle can take on a wave motion. These accelerations/spins have exact analogies with the solutions to higher degree polynomials + simple finite derivative equations.
"I don't like it, and I'm sorry I ever had anything to do with it." - Erwin Schrödinger on Quantum Mechanics
Originally posted by yampa
I don't think any of you are going to get this. So I give up.
Originally posted by YoungMind92
As soon as I saw this post I thought of that show "Fringe".
Originally posted by Angelic Resurrection
Most physicites admit hat they dont like and dont undestand quantum mechanics
as it is too probalistic and where everything under the sun is possible.
Though laura mersini is working with the possibility of infinite number of universes
and has foung some evidence.
On another note the experimental signature of quantum gravity has eluded mainstream,
but I have it and a pity laura does not reply.
Originally posted by djmarcone
I'm not sure why that guy was so adamantly against quantum stuff. Just because quantum theory type experiments indicate communication that would be "faster than light" doesn't mean it violates the speed of light.
My understanding is that Einstein's postulation that nothing can exceed the SOL was really talking about matter, due to the increased mass as matter would approach the SOL. Since when is thought or information made of matter anyway?
Perhaps he is a paid shill from the anti-quantum-theory industry.
I always heard that Einstein didn't like quantum mechanics because he believed "God doesn't play dice" or some such quote. Not because he didn't believe the results actually happened....
" Just because quantum theory type experiments indicate communication that would be "faster than light" doesn't mean it violates the speed of light. " - that makes no sense. You are wrong. Entanglement implies communication at faster than light speeds. That means the messenger particle transmitting the communication must travel at faster than the observed constant velocity of the photon (300 million meters a second+). Breaking the speed of light is a big deal, remember? It invalidates a lot of important things?
I don't think it has ever been properly proven that the photons in an entanglement experiment have travelled faster than the speed of light anyway.
All the entanglement experiments I have examined have been a mess of contradictions and metaphysical assumptions.
This is the fault of the predictions of Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Chromodynamics. This is why I am able to disregard consciousness + entanglement theories with ease. It's easy because I know the physics assumptions are already fake.
Suffice it to say that facile explanations about information passing between Alice's and Bob's photons lead to violations of causality, since Alice and Bob perform their polarization measurement before Victor makes his choice about whether to entangle his photons or not. (Similarly, if you think that all the photons come from a single laser source, they must be correlated from the start, and you must answer how they "know" what Victor is going to do before he does it.)
As always with entanglement, it's important to note that no information is passing between Alice, Bob, and Victor: the settings on the detectors and the BiSA are set independently
and there's no way to communicate faster than the speed of light. Nevertheless, this experiment provides a realization of one of the fundamental paradoxes of quantum mechanics: that measurements taken at different points in space and time appear to affect each other, even though there is no mechanism that allows information to travel between them.
You are wrong. Entanglement implies communication at faster than light speeds. That means the messenger particle transmitting the communication must travel at faster than the observed constant velocity of the photon (300 million meters a second+).
The conclusion is again inescapable, the availability of the info is what collapses the pattern, or not. I see no other reason for that besides it having a direct relation with the consciousness of the experimenter
I read your thread 'Quantum Experiments, Proof that Human Consciousness influences Particles' and I think a few people there have done a good job of explaining why entanglement has nothing to do with consciousness.
I also notice you seem very keen to call me and others close minded yet you litter your own thread with non-scientific statements like:
The conclusion is again inescapable, the availability of the info is what collapses the pattern,or not.
I see no other reason for that besides it having a direct relation with the consciousness of the experimenter
You've been given several theories about why entanglement might not involve consciousness, but you've dismissed them and seemingly gone right back to your inescapable conclusion. Have you really made a real effort to escape this conclusion?
You can't explain consciousness without neuroscience.
Like Einstein predicted, most of these 'spooky' interactions will prove to be misunderstood side effects of the real underlying physical fields
A reason for these misunderstandings is the failure of the standard model to accept that all baryonic matter is emitting 'charge', and that this charge is a real particle field.
Another is a failure to understand the innate motions of the photon and electron. There is no metaphysical wave particle duality. Particles can wave via the stacking of accelerations/spins.
So I'm not going to attempt to argue it with you.