The Mother of All Conspiracies

Great man. Just great.

The worst part of it is...it seems there are only a few very narrow doors to escape this insanity. And we are mostly too fattened by the daily grind to fit through it.

As far as "they"...I would say..."They" has has become the system itself. The system is now self serving. It is no more just the servant of an individual or a group that created it. The system is now a meat grinder...eating away those that feed it and madly foaming at the mouth.

This is one of the reasons why some people are waiting for some global event, that will crush this madness to the dust, because..there is no other way to bring it down. It is too powerful now.

edit: reminds me of Mr Smith from the Matrix.

Perfect sense right there.

I have thought long and hard about this exact thing, about how we are set into routines since we are born to be exactly what those in power (whoever they are), have planned for us.

What makes me wonder the most is the dual-edged nature of the way things are in this world. On the one hand we are indoctrinated into this state of being regarding our lives; ie; we are taught a certain way, dictated by both our laws and society in general (the schoolyard laws, peer pressure, morality and bully pricipals just to name a few), and our need to have possession of both parts of this world, in the way of land and housing, and possessions in general. We are taught, even as kids that having money and stuff is the way to be recognised, to be respected and accepted. As we grow we are taught that nothing lasts, and that when it dies, no matter how short a time that has been, go out and buy a new one.

The other side of the coin is what would happen if this were no longer the case. Governments would be the first to suffer, as no one needing anything halts employment, halts taxes, and thusly the governments have no revenue to control the greater slice of the pie, ie; law enforcement and military, which keeps the populace in line. It is no secret much of the technology we take for granted today has its roots in military research, all funded by the government, in turn, funded by us, the taxpaying citizen. If you never had to replace anything you bought, would not have to pay for the electricity you use or have no use of a car or a house, then it stands to reason that many people would suddenly find themselves with nothing to do, especially in todays "have-it-all" society. If we all grew our own food, there would be no need to have supermarkets. No cars, no automotive industry. Down to parts, fuel, even the manufacture of the raw iron needed to create such things would be defunct.

The question is what would we do with this free time we suddenly had? As I said before, I have considered both sides of the coin, and while I do agree with many posters here, including the OP that we are being led into cyclical patterns by our governments and the corporations that sponsor them (read: own them), I haven't come up with a single definitive answer as to what is we would do if the world went back to self-sufficiency, and the people no longer relied on their ability to leave their house, get in their car and drive to the local store to pick up a frozen pizza and a bottle of coke for dinner, paying for it with the money they earned working 40 hours a week in their own job. Think about how many hands there were in that single sentence, and how many hands would be idle without the need for those things. As I said, I don't yet have an answer to whether the way we live is a neccessary evil, or just a way to keep us in the dark about our own possible greatness.

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I was thinking along those lines as I read through this thread then ultimately came upon your post. Thanks, you saved me having to formulate and put my thoughts in. It's a game to play and one that allows us to make a few points and take home some prizes at the end of the day. It's like a good arcade pinball game that provides challenges, rings a lot of bells, and gives a lot of extended play for those who become proficient at it - or just plain lucky at times. And most importantly for the games manufacturer and those who put the game up in their lobby it keeps collecting your coins. The object for those who make the game is that it must be fun, provide challenge, provide reward, and provide opportunity to reach higher levels of play - it has to be worth your while to want to play it.

We can choose not to play. We can choose to be sulf-sufficient, live off the land, or have a life of some sort that is out of the system - that is still possible for us to choose to do so if we really are so inclined to take that route or were just born into it. As long as we are passing through this amusement hall these games beckon us to drop our coins in and give it a whirl, but that is our own choice to do so or find suitable amusement elsewhere.

Winning the game overall is just a matter of finding some degree of happiness and self-satisfaction. None of that requires material goods or living in a consumer society, and we all have different ideas of what it might take to be happy including discovering and exploring new avenues toward that end.

It's also true that I neither can definitively pass judgement on whether or not it is all a good thing, as ultimately that would be the opinions of all the others who are playing. Some of it is pure schlock and not worth our coins if it's not up to our expectations, which would again just be a matter of personal judgement and we might be better off to find a different game. Or we could skip rocks across the pond or find some other diversion that cost us nothing. Ultimately I believe we find it more satisfying doing something, anything at all if basic survival is not a fulfilling enough full-time challenge itself.

We do have a problem though if the game is rigged to not pay us our free games it registers or if the game is defective, badly grounded and shocks us or its buttons have edges that cut our hands or cause other injuries. If the whole arcade is becoming like that we may have to exercise some other options. If we have the talent to produce a better machine then it may be in our interest to do so, not just for our selves but for all of us. Our other option, if we lack the initiative to take another path, is to sit and wait for someone else. Maybe our opinions about what is wrong or objectionable will be helpful to the next great builder of games but it is likely that if they have the wherewithall to build a better one then they already know what is wrong.

Other options always exist. We just need to determine if it is worth our effort to explore those, or maybe we just have to discover what those options are. Maybe for most of us we simply need to realize there are other avenues to travel. We may have to take it upon ourselves to study the map, get out and look around.

Why can't threads like these hit hottest topic? It'd definitely help open the eyes of many that didn't use this forum or know about a lot of this.

I know the kid getting handcuffed is disgusting and is good to have there at the moment, but this is pretty much the reason why we're like we are right now.

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The game is rigged? Absolutely it is. Consider the fact that "We have met the Enemy...and HE is US!" (Walt Kelly?).

How do we BEAT this 'rigged' game? Two Words: 'Kobayashi Maru'.
en.wikipedia.org...

'This is a Test...This is simply a test'

BTW: Wonderful analysis, O.P. I like the way you've expressed some very complex concepts here.
Star and Flag!...and thanks for playing the game.

Excellent, concise summary. Bravo! It all starts with those who control the monetary system and resources of nations. If we use their currency, we're enslaved to their matrix...like hamsters on a wheel powering their corruption.

I can't think of a better opportunity to let George speak...

The illuminati play this game by ensuring that "all paths lead to rome". That means if they can corner you into a choice, perhaps say a "yes" or "no" they will frame the question and outcome in such a way that to say "yes" means that you will include in your answer part of the desired outcome, and the same thing with "no".

Left or Right leading to the same tyranny.

That's how they work it. That's why all of these "conspiracy theories", you know the ones your gut tells you is an absolutely load of BS (like the galactic federation of light workers ones for example), these are engineered to statistically manipulate portions of humanity, and again, to get that section to accept things such as "people disappearing" as they are being part of the "mass arrests", and so on and so fourth.

That is why the elites would do something like have mr. soros build up a bunch of NGO's which ALL parties (although moreso leftist extremists and socialist scumbags in the case of soros) tend to share connections with.
Has anybody else noticed how prolific the tides foundation connections are with occupy facilitators? I counted 50% soros shills paired up with 50% brainwashed students whom are underneath university professors that are part of a clique pushing "ecological governance". It's pretty obvious occupy is a fake revolution and yet they've made it a science of manipulation pushing this sick green agenda of "sustainable development".

Freedom is the value of the extremist right, as far as I've noticed occupy labelling it. I am expecting some fake uprising from the right (or perhaps the teaparty was already it? I dunno I am canadian we don't have a tea party here).

People label me as "right" but I am for freedom, not sides, and I don't see freedom coming from either one. Time to rip down government and corporations and build a world that is for humans. Time to foster independence because we will never be green AND free without it.

It's time for you people to choose, do you wish to be slaves under a rigged consensus creation system like what occupy uses, or do you wish to be free and have the right and the choice not to be made to genetically engineer or get cybernetics installed in order to compete and survive on this planet (because that day too is coming where normal humans will not be competitive in the least).

What a rotten mess these power elites and mad scientists have stirred up for us.

When your young, you have activists who actively see and combat this mindset. As you age and become jaded and content, it's likely you just go with the flow. The rest of society just falls into place..... the path of least resistance. I don't think it's as much orchestrated as the norm when your not participating in emerging from the system..

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This is THE best thread I have read regarding this subject on ATS. I agree with you 200%.

Keep getting the truth out there. s&f

And the alternative is anarchy...wooot!!! Let the raping and killing begin i'm ready.

Dear OP it is beautifully expressed by you almost exactly what i and as stated by several others have been thinking about the present state of the human condition of the world at this present time.
The very fact that so many of us think very close to the same things leads me believe that there is some kind of collective conscience that links us all together.

This is one thing that we must all come to understand,it has been proven that we are many and those that are in the seats of power are few,those few gained all the power they have through us the many.

We gave and give our rights away through complacency,is it not us who give them the power to encroach upon our rights when we sit idly by saying and thinking oh well it will all work itself out,someone els will fix it.

NOW it is time for us to excercise that same power,the power we have given them was through complacency and it took them years to use that power to gain the foothold they have on us at the moment,NOW we take it back through ACTION!!!

Watch how fast it reverses the power flow!!!

This can and will be accomplished without one stone thrown,one fist thrown,zero violence buy joining hands across the land and taking back what we gave in the first place.

Our gift has been corrupted,it is past due time that we put that gift into the hands of those that will put it to much better use then what it has been and is presently being used for.

The age of selfishness, self centered, inconsiderate,individualist thinking must,will,and is giving way to an age of altruistic,selfless,collectively beneficial thinking and acting must,will and is taking place.

"BECOME A PART OF THE SOLUTION NOT THE PROBLEM"

Originally posted by IAMTAT
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The game is rigged? Absolutely it is. Consider the fact that "We have met the Enemy...and HE is US!" (Walt Kelly?).

How do we BEAT this 'rigged' game? Two Words: 'Kobayashi Maru'.
en.wikipedia.org...

'This is a Test...This is simply a test'

BTW: Wonderful analysis, O.P. I like the way you've expressed some very complex concepts here.
Star and Flag!...and thanks for playing the game.

Star trek reference. Epic.

I agree with the OP, What he is saying is not new to me at all. I know exactly what he is talking about, and know what is going on. Its so obvious to me its borderline painful. I cannot seem to grasp how most people just cannot see it. Or think im not right in my head or something. Yet i am perfectly capable of seeing through the bull#. I call it my bull# meter, and its constantly maxed in society. some days are worse than others. some days im physically angry about it. And the worst thing is, theres not a whole lots i can do. I'm one guy. Theres so much disinfo and the stigma of being 'a conspiracy theorist' that keeps most of us from going public with a lot of what we've learned.

Its really not hard to think "You know, i don't think our government has our best interests in mind..". Lots of people i work with 'kind of' get it, they get the feeling that something is messed. I've tried to explain it but some of them still don't get it. When it comes to debt, i'm already 40k in the hole just for my schooling, for which i got a job making about $16 an hour, 31k a year. (Canadian btw). Its still not enough. I still owe 40k, i can't afford full payments on my loans, i'm extremely lucky to have this job, lots of people here don't. It was all luck that i got the job in the first place. I will never be able to get a car, or a house, or anything really 'big' because i can't save money because i have no money to save because rent,food,power,gas (use the gf's car). I don't want to live in a debt based society, i hate it. 40k in debt and im 23 and thats going to be with me until im 33.

To live in this society, you have to accumulate debt. Thats the only way it works, and for those of us that are terrified of having too much debt it can be quite unbearable. I can't get another job in my field because most of the IT jobs here require specific attributes and many years of experience. Yet there is NO places that offer the experience you need to get a job like that. There is no middle. Its 'entry level call center crap', or 'need 5 years experience doing it, with 10+ certifications." there's no middle man, no way to get the experience for most people just out of college.

But its okay. Society is meant to be stupid. Its engineered that way. Its like constantly being assaulted by PTSD. We can just continue to privatize everything, build war machines we don't need, waste our money on aid to other countries that goes to building more weapons so they can continue to terrify people.

Needless to say, i cannot wait for the day when this system goes tits up. I'll be throwing a party. You're all invited and we'll watch with great amusement.

Here is my thoughts. The american revolution happened for a multitude of reasons, two of which were a) slavery, and b) not wanting to be a part of the british finance system. The american revolution was a solution to financial slavery, but 'they' eventually rooted themselves back in american society.

Slavery was too expensive, they had to pay for meals, housing, clothes (even if it was not much, it still cost quite a bit to keep slaves). So they changed it around. end 'slavery'. Well, what they don't tell you is they changed it so that the slaves pay for their own slavery now. We require a home, and food, and water. You require a job to have those necessities. You work your whole life to just stay alive, and never truly live. No one is truly happy. Im not, i have another 30 years of meaningless work ahead of me that will get me nowhere. And then when i reach the end, i'll be done, and i'll have wasted 40 years of my life working, being unhappy, and constantly paying government for them to build things and do things i do not want.

I wonder if thats how some older folks here feel..

Excellent !! I hope the mods gave you a bunch of applause. May I add one more thing to your Mother of all Conspiracies? The religion factor. The 'God' factor. It's a control tool used by TPTB and nutjobs alike.

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You forget the person who is mainly responsible for this "slavery". Someone not many people even think about. And who is that. The father of the Industrial revolution... Henry Ford.

And that is the heart of this conspiracy theory: we can't NOT participate in their contrived socio-economic game.

Interesting...this is exactly what I have called it. The "Society Game".

Society Game

A game that forces us to take part in the very process that binds us, the very process that keeps us firmly beneath the boot of the world's kings...those who hold all of the money, and therefore all of the corporations, and therefore most (if not all) of the government in their pockets.

They pull the strings. They control the flow of events world-wide. And if it pleases them to do so, you are dead by tomorrow. In essence, we are the grease in their wheels. We keep the green flowing. Our life and our reproduction means the established continuum of their comfort and control.

We are the hamsters. We are the chattel. We have been trained to do so, while convinced through generations of programming that everything is as it should be.

Everything is not. We need to wake up. Revolution is needed...because if revolution doesn't happen, then neither will TRUE freedom.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Excellent !! I hope the mods gave you a bunch of applause.

May I add one more thing to your Mother of all Conspiracies? The religion factor. The 'God' factor. It's a control tool used by TPTB and nutjobs alike.

Actually, religion is the one thing that doesn't demand that we make money. It simply asks that we constantly pray to a being that will kill us if we don't revere it. Money is not the issue in religion. Trust me, I have friends who have been helped out by churches loads of times and never paid a single dime, nor were they asked to. In fact, several buddies of mine just recieved tents, sleeping bags, clothes, food, and flashlights and other essentials from those churches.

They didn't pay for anything.

Religion doesn't want to be paid. It just wants your attention and your faith. If you can prove me wrong, do so.

The economy is another story entirely, and the economy is something this nation cannot do without. However, it's the system, the design, of the economy that's troublesome. We're just monkey given instructions, because asking questions isn't worth the hornets it raises...

Originally posted by FlutterByte
As long as there are people willing to conspire, and as long as there are people able to theorize, there will be conspiracy theories. The common element: people.

WE are the mothers of all conspiracy theories.

Word play aside, but in the spirit of the above statement, I suspect you are right in the bulk of your observations.

About that hemp thing though. Nothing stopping you growing cotton in your back yard, nothing stopping you growing lettuce and carrots. None of those products are much use smoking to get high on, which I suspect is the reason hemp is what you seek. Just saying.

False assumption

Hemp has only about 1% THC instead of the 20/30% (and more) that cannabis has, which is the mind altering substance.

To get stoned from hemp requires you to smoke about an entire harvest of 1 plant, u'd have to be smoking for an entire day rolling one after the other to even get a hint of effect.

Hemp is one of the most valuable resources on this planet and that's exactly why they put the ban on hemp.

Also hemp grows pretty much everywhere, in a vast array of living conditions. You cant grow cotton, lettuce and carrots in pretty much any condition.

I think the OP is spot on, S&F

Originally posted by Romekje

Originally posted by FlutterByte
As long as there are people willing to conspire, and as long as there are people able to theorize, there will be conspiracy theories. The common element: people.

WE are the mothers of all conspiracy theories.

Word play aside, but in the spirit of the above statement, I suspect you are right in the bulk of your observations.

About that hemp thing though. Nothing stopping you growing cotton in your back yard, nothing stopping you growing lettuce and carrots. None of those products are much use smoking to get high on, which I suspect is the reason hemp is what you seek. Just saying.

False assumption

Hemp has only about 1% THC instead of the 20/30% (and more) that cannabis has, which is the mind altering substance.

To get stoned from hemp requires you to smoke about an entire harvest of 1 plant, u'd have to be smoking for an entire day rolling one after the other to even get a hint of effect.

Hemp is one of the most valuable resources on this planet and that's exactly why they put the ban on hemp.

Also hemp grows pretty much everywhere, in a vast array of living conditions. You cant grow cotton, lettuce and carrots in pretty much any condition.

I think the OP is spot on, S&F

You just been told!

Regardless, hemp would put several industries out of business.

I have long said that instead of making money, we should be working toward a utopia where money isn't needed. We have robots building our cars, we can grow diamonds and corn in laboratories, we are building synthetic tissue and intelligent machinery...

Why in the world do we need money?! It's a controlling mechanism. Bottom friggin' line.

So, if we're NOT working toward a utopia...here's the 3 trillion dollar question: what ARE we working toward? What is our ultimate goal, as a nation? Assimilation, or domination?

Originally posted by lokdog
And the alternative is anarchy...wooot!!! Let the raping and killing begin i'm ready.

So without good ol government and elites watching over us people would turn into rampaging murderers?

Police doesnt stop crime, it solves them.

Police doesnt protect or serve you, you serve them as soon as you call them by protecting their false sense of being needed.

Criminals get bred in a system of debt where hardly anyone is able to make ends meet, and when they get caught, they get put together in a place that's called prison where they simply learn more "tricks of the trade", and come out as worse criminals then they were.

The initial anarchy after the elimination of governmental control i believe would be pointed towards the factions that were the controllers before that, not our fellow (non elite/NWO/ruling class, whatever you wanna call them) human beings.

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Very well-written, and just as I've thought for many years but couldn't elaborate about it as well as you have! There are many threads I start to read, but never finish, but this thread kept my attention until the end! Okay, now what are we going to do about it? Probably nothing, we'll live and die as we always have!