MoveOn Recruits for '99% Spring' Training

Originally posted by XPLodER

Originally posted by xuenchen
And here's something about MoveOn.

They are a political action committee.

Left wing.

So what ?

They are advocating specific candidates.

Some in the past have become part of the very "problem" that people are protesting

George Soros is a major funder of MoveOn. So What ?
He has a financial agenda that's the "So What". And he could care less about YOU !!
Soros has been funding MoveOn through other sources since being exposed a few years ago.


MoveOn - wiki

MoveOn.org


Do some research on their managers and see if they are actually part of the problem.

LOL now you invoke the soros boogie man,
i have heard MANY people STATE AS FACT that soros started OWS LOL

i heard the same thing about wikileaks lol

i dont like soros (personally) but you are now trying to asociate
VAN JONES to move on to SOROS to OCCUPY WALL STREET

moveon.org IS NOT AFILIATED OR ACOCIATED WITH OCCUPY

again you are disingenious and are invoking boogie men to attempt to show co-option.

i have seen this tacktic used over and again

try again SOROS has nothing to do with occupy,

be honest this is a smear campain?

xploder

Sounds like you are misunderstanding the entire topic.

Again, I never associated Soros with Occupy......you did twice already

I am trying to warn you about Jones and MoveOn.

Don't get sucked in.

MoveOn has nothing to do with Occupy does it ?

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by XPLodER

 

A few posts back, I specifically said this is not connected with Occupy.

you carefully worded your post to bring doubt into the mind of the reader,
the exact same style as your first thread a few days ago.

Why do you lie ?

i noticed your style of omition and carfully crafted words to imply what was not overtly obvious in the context of this issue,
I CALL YOU ON IT

And, I have given you many reasons to suspect Van Jones.

i already do suspect the guy,
point is you are using him to further demonize OWS by acociation with him,
you leave out important points, making the reader beleive co-option is eneviable,
this is not the case, deceiving by omition of critacal facts that you are acutly aware of

If you think anything I said is helping Jones, then maybe you need to re-read the thread from page1.

I am warning you about him.

no you are attempting to use the hated nature of van jones to devide support from OCCUPY,
by selectivly omitting relevent points made in the previous thread on the exact same subject.

Although I agree that it looks like the "99%" slogan has been hijacked by Jones.

So, what's next for the #Occupy movement ?

LOL attempted not successful,
the 99% slogan can be used by ANY DEMOGRAPHIC WITHIN SOCIETY except the 1%

so your missunderstanding of what thye slogan is part of the problem,
any one can protest, THIS DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE BEEN CO-OPTED

whats next?
why would i tell you ?
so you can bring bad publisity to future events?
i wasnt born yesterday ya know

xploder

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OK.

I will let this go this time.

Although I give you some credit for original thinking.

Wheeew !!!

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Well a little research Has turned up some Van Jones / Occupy connections after all.

The gentleman does get around town.

April 1, 2012

Former Obama administration green jobs czar Van Jones said Saturday the Occupy Wall Street movement essentially “saved the entire country from destruction.”

Jones made the comments in Los Angeles ahead of his appearance at an “All in for the 99%” training event, saying Occupy “disrupted the narrative” as both parties “barreling toward more austerity.”

“[The] Occupy movement pretty much saved the entire country from destruction,” Jones said in an interview posted online. “Both political parties were barreling toward more austerity, more cutbacks, more pain for the people and more — basically both political parties had managed to converge on this idea of basically no rules for the rich, no rights for the poor, no middle class to speak of. That was basically the agenda, the question was just how much pain how fast.”
Van Jones: ‘Occupy…Saved the Entire Country From Destruction’

Hmmm.


April 3, 2012

Obama’s former Green Jobs czar Van Jones lit into “so-called libertarians” at an Occupy rally in Los Angeles last weekend:

Jones began his speech by citing his six months of work in the White House before launching into a tirade against the “so-called Libertarians.”

In citing the Libertarian principle of economic liberty, Jones stated “They’ve taken their despicable ideology and used it a wrecking ball, that they have painted red, white and blue, to smash down every good thing in America.”
Van Jones Tells Occupy Libertarians Are Racist, Homophobic and Hate America

Hmmm.


Jan 25, 2012

The Occupy DC movement has descended into a swirl of bitter charges and counter-charges, with an organizer answering allegations of theft with the claim that operatives connected with Van Jones and with MoveOn.org are conducting a smear campaign against him.

Kevin Zeese, a longtime activist on the left and former executive director of the National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws, has been accused by other occupiers of stealing money from the Occupy movement.
Occupy DC Activist Accuses Van Jones, MoveOn Of Smear Campaign

Hmmm.

reply to post by xuenchen


Yet he's started his own movement, Hmmm. Could that be because he tried to co-opt Occupy and failed? Yep.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by XPLodER

 

Well a little research Has turned up some Van Jones / Occupy connections after all.

This man is very, very dangerous.

Former Obama administration green jobs czar Van Jones said Saturday the Occupy Wall Street movement essentially “saved the entire country from destruction.”

Jones made the comments in Los Angeles ahead of his appearance at an “All in for the 99%” training event, saying Occupy “disrupted the narrative” as both parties “barreling toward more austerity.”

“[The] Occupy movement pretty much saved the entire country from destruction,” Jones said in an interview posted online. “Both political parties were barreling toward more austerity, more cutbacks, more pain for the people and more — basically both political parties had managed to converge on this idea of basically no rules for the rich, no rights for the poor, no middle class to speak of. That was basically the agenda, the question was just how much pain how fast.”

Occupy genuinely has had far more of a cultural impact than I initially suspected. If you watch the preview trailer for The Dark Knight Rises, you will actually see references there, to protests in Gotham against the rich. It is implied that that affects Batman because he is a billionaire. I thought that really broke the fourth wall in giving truth to Batman's statement at the end of The Dark Knight, that he is whoever people need him to be.

Obama’s former Green Jobs czar Van Jones lit into “so-called libertarians” at an Occupy rally in Los Angeles last weekend:

Jones began his speech by citing his six months of work in the White House before launching into a tirade against the “so-called Libertarians.”

In citing the Libertarian principle of economic liberty, Jones stated “They’ve taken their despicable ideology and used it a wrecking ball, that they have painted red, white and blue, to smash down every good thing in America.”
Van Jones Tells Occupy Libertarians Are Racist, Homophobic and Hate America

Yep. That is what they will try and do. They will try and push Occupy as hard to the Left as they can, because once they've done that, they can then use Occupy's supposed Leftist radicalism to destroy the group's reputation in the minds of conservatives. While I understand, unfortunately, that it might have given me horns and a tail in the eyes of several Leftists on this forum for me to do so, the reason why I've been trying to reach out to them with some of my threads on this topic, is because I know we have to work hard at healing the rift that the government is trying to create.

Occupy and the Right need each other. Occupy are not going to truly represent the majority, if the Right are left out in the cold; if for no other reason than in contemporary America, the Right are actually a much larger majority than the Left. We have to find a way to break through the blinders that conservatives have set up in their own minds, about Occupy simply being a group of "filthy hippies," and point out our common cause, here. The Tea Party was supposed to be the Right's answer to Occupy; so we can ask the conservatives here, if Occupy has no legitimate motivation, why did you guys put the Tea Party together? Don't you think it's likely that the Left are trying to deal with more or less the same issues, in their own way?

The government are playing divide and conquer. They will attempt to claim that MoveOn, the black bloc, and the truly radical Leftist groups, are those who comprise Occupy, (even if they're not) and then use that claim to completely alienate the conservative majority from Occupy. Occupy's reputation, as a result, will be completely destroyed in the minds of the public.

As part of this process, however, Occupy themselves have to change, and stop using the Marxist vocabulary. The word "solidarity," in particular needs to disappear, as do the articles I've seen online where Occupiers openly refer to each other as "comrades." If Occupy do not want to be viewed as Communists, then they really have to stop sounding so much like they are; and that means not using Marxist or Communist speech patterns and terminology.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Yet he's started his own movement, Hmmm. Could that be because he tried to co-opt Occupy and failed? Yep.

It seems he failed yes.

I hope it was a fail and not a success and then move on.

The whole thing is money with VJ.

He has a good ghost writer for his books.

reply to post by petrus4


In the eyes of Occupiers we have always been non partisan, everyone is welcome...some in the Tea Party have sat down with Occupiers some people are part of both movements. However, the majority of the Right has, from the beginning, demonized us. They have always assumed we were far far left. In reality it's probably about 45% left 45% moderate and about 9% extreme left and 1% right of center, those numbers are entirely my interpretation.

As part of this process, however, Occupy themselves have to change, and stop using the Marxist vocabulary. The word "solidarity," in particular needs to disappear, as do the articles I've seen online where Occupiers openly refer to each other as "comrades." If Occupy do not want to be viewed as Communists, then they really have to stop sounding so much like they are; and that means not using Marxist or Communist speech patterns and terminology.

Not gonna happen lol.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by petrus4

 

As part of this process, however, Occupy themselves have to change, and stop using the Marxist vocabulary. The word "solidarity," in particular needs to disappear, as do the articles I've seen online where Occupiers openly refer to each other as "comrades." If Occupy do not want to be viewed as Communists, then they really have to stop sounding so much like they are; and that means not using Marxist or Communist speech patterns and terminology.

Not gonna happen lol.

I know it's not going to happen, but it should. How do Occupy expect to stop being demonised as Communists, if they genuinely do both speak and literally think with Marx's vocabulary?

The Right are correct in viewing Communism as unAmerican, because it is, by definition. The Communist goal is internationalism; the entire concept of the Internationale was introduced precisely because it would lead to the Illuminati's goal of world government. This is also the reason why truthfully, solidarity is a swear word in my own vocabulary. I know what internationalism will lead to; and what it was specifically designed and intended to lead to. Marx's cry of "workers of the world, unite!" is an exhortation to universal, eternal, and irremovable human slavery. It leads directly to the Georgia Guidestones.

If Occupy are Communist, they cannot legitimately complain about being referred to as unpatriotic, because it's the truth.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
God forbid people actually try to change something.

Be careful of what?

Didn't the Tea Party protest? No one on here cared on here about that. Hell they cheered them on.

Yes the Tea Party did protest....they protested socialism and communism in the administration. Van Jones is a self-described communist by his own admission, recruited while in jail. And he is organizing this thing. It's a communist plan if I ever saw one.

reply to post by xuenchen


first they tryed to ignore OCCUPY
then they tried to riddacule OCCUPY
then they tried to violently repress OCCUPY

who can deny that the convosation has shifted in light of the OCCUPY movement.
that fact is without doubt
ingrained power always trys to co-opt movements,
the evolution of the tea party was studied extensivly,

the same mistakes would not be allowed to occour,

Van Jones can talk about change all he wants, but he was and still is a political stooge.

IMHO both occupy and tea party are not enemies of each other,
they are two sides of the same coin, together they can unite and stop the madness created
by the 1% to devide and concour us all.
xploder

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by RealSpoke
God forbid people actually try to change something.

Be careful of what?

Didn't the Tea Party protest? No one on here cared on here about that. Hell they cheered them on.

Yes the Tea Party did protest....they protested socialism and communism in the administration. Van Jones is a self-described communist by his own admission, recruited while in jail. And he is organizing this thing. It's a communist plan if I ever saw one.

Van Jones is looking to me, like Obama's answer to Karl Rove. He's basically a rabble rouser with the Left, in the same way that Rove was with the Right. Bush used Rove to get out the redneck vote in order to ensure that he was re-elected, by stirring up the Christian Right about stupid issues like gay marriage and flag burning. Van Jones is doing the same thing, by drawing Occupy's attention to the Right's discriminatory attitudes towards gays.

It is an entirely cynical campaign of manipulation. They know which issues the people they speak to care about, and they pretend to care about them as well, when they do not at all. They are simply fanning the flames and misleading people. Van Jones will attempt to appeal to the Left's obsession with protecting minorities who they perceive as being victimised.

reply to post by petrus4


The majority are not Communists but we also don't see Communism as a bad thing. We've never seen true Communism as we've never really seen the true form of any ideology. What do you suppose Corporatism (which is what we have now, not Capitalism) or Colonialism are doing? They're imposing on the entire world population and entire planet itself.

Money controls the world, there wasn't enough money for these pigs in their own nations so they expanded beyond and created a world economy. We essentially do have a world government now because we have a global economy. Profit at all costs.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by RealSpoke
God forbid people actually try to change something.

Be careful of what?

Didn't the Tea Party protest? No one on here cared on here about that. Hell they cheered them on.

Yes the Tea Party did protest....they protested socialism and communism in the administration. Van Jones is a self-described communist by his own admission, recruited while in jail. And he is organizing this thing. It's a communist plan if I ever saw one.

how do you classify giving trillions to "selected banks and internatinal institutions?
THAT IS WHAT OCCUPY IS PROTESTING
how do classify criminal activities of wall street bankers not being prosicuted?
THAT IS WHAT OCCUPY IS PROTESTING
why do the network media always show the comunists and not the AMERICANS?
because they want to put the idea into your head this is about politics
THAT IS WHAT OCCUPY IS PROTESTING

van jones is trying to harm our ability to force prosicution of wall street crimes.

xploder

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by petrus4

 

Money controls the world, there wasn't enough money for these pigs in their own nations so they expanded beyond and created a world economy. We essentially do have a world government now because we have a global economy. Profit at all costs.

Granted, with reluctance. If we are going to have an international scenario though, we need to make sure that it is on our own terms, and not the cabal's. I am uncertain as to how we can achieve that, as of yet.

That is the main thing which I worry about. That in attempting to serve our own ends, we cannot help but serve theirs. That is the scenario which they have tried to create.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Yet he's started his own movement, Hmmm. Could that be because he tried to co-opt Occupy and failed? Yep.

truth is van jones is also failing to gather any support as most who turn up to training want to hear and participate in OWS

And so it went from 6:30 to 9:30 last Tuesday night. Over half the crowd left early. Most of those who stayed appeared to be angry and mystified that they had received no training whatever in nonviolent direct action. I doubt that the Democrats or MoveOn succeeded in co-opting anyone, and I predict that they will be inventing more dreary front groups as the election year grinds onward. "Front groups, not issues!" should be Obama's rallying cry.

source

sounds to me like this attempt will end in failure as well,

many want nothing to do with politics and just want the non violent protestor training which by reading the link was not provided in the spring training.

when people realise this is not OCCUPY sanctioned they will not want to be used for political gains for the 1%

people are to angry to be fooled on this matter

xploder

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I love this thread

Where are all your McCarthyist buds?

The 'conservative' 50 cent Army?

The tide has turned. People want change. Change this way comes.

Corporatists should be afraid. Very afraid.

You really need to stop with these traitorous thread's. Nobody is listening.

You are not fooling anyone.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I love this thread

Where are all your McCarthyist buds?

The 'conservative' 50 cent Army?

The tide has turned. People want change. Change this way comes.

Corporatists should be afraid. Very afraid.

You really need to stop with these traitorous thread's. Nobody is listening.

You are not fooling anyone.

I guess you bought Van Jones' book !

Can we get some quotes for all the bust outs !

reply to post by xuenchen


Your propaganda is tired and exhausted. Give up.

Nobody is buying.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Nobody is buying.

To be honest I am...

why should we trust someone who was in the Obama administration again? I trust nothing from those people, they have lied upon lied, so why trust its people?

Especially when those people have been trying to take over a legitimate movement in one form or another?

If it is change people are wanting why accept the same old lines from those we want changed?

I am curious your views on this point! It is perhaps I am not understanding something?