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Originally posted by Maxmars
Thanks for sharing this with us so quickly...
Terrible accident... I hope the losses were few (and pray there were none at all.) But I suspect that is too much to ask for.
I wonder what may have gone wrong?
worked airline records dept for years, and you would be surprised how many are. and many failed our QC.
accounting dept sets up buys w/o even considering if we have a bilateral agreement (needed for FAA certification on foreign parts) to allow use of JAA form 1 or FAA 8130 forms.
I've personally kicked some parts that cost 500k or more over it, quarantined and sent to FAA.
non certified parts is a HUGE issue in civilian air side of it but letting ANY foreign factory make one SINGLE part for our military is stupidity at its highest level.
and its been happening for years.
Originally posted by relocator
So can jets it hacked?
Do they by chance get parts for these planes from china?
I lived in VA for over 30 years and never heard or seen of anything like this happening before. I grew up on the James River and spent many summer days crusing up and down from Hopewell to VA Beach. I've spent many years watching them skies and water ways.
My son recently experienced problems with defective parts on his scooter. He was riding down the road flowing with traffic and all of a sudden the scooter fell apart on him causing him to crash. Traffic kept on going..of course...screw the kid on the scooter...anywho....come to find out it was due to a defective Honda Part. Honda is considering paying for his medical bills and repairs to the scooter...
The Senate Armed Services Committee found counterfeit parts -- usually from China -- on at least seven aircraft, including the Lockheed Martin Corp. (LMT) C-130J transport plane, Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol and L-3 27J Spartan transport.
The Navy and witnesses said the A-6E Intruder had just taken off from Oceana Naval Air Station when it crashed in a field and skidded across a Oceana Boulevard.
''We saw flames and a lot of smoke and I heard a big bang,'' said Debbie Chiavaroli, who was in a nearby car. The plane was flying low over the trees with flames showing at its rear just before the crash, she said.
''I looked in my rearview mirror, and all I saw was fire and black smoke everywhere,'' said Marjorie Craighead, who was driving north on the boulevard with her 3-year-old daughter immediately in front of the station wagon that was hit. ''Somebody out there is with me. That car behind me was gone. It just blew up.''
The Navy identified the crewmen as Lt. James P. Hoban, 26, of River Vale, N.J., the pilot; and Lt. Michael F. Wilson, 27, of Medford Lakes, N.J., the bombardier-navigator.
The woman who died was Tammy Fowler, 25, of Virginia Beach, authorities said. Her husband, David Fowler, is a sailor based in Norfolk.
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Originally posted by relocator
So can jets it hacked?
Do they by chance get parts for these planes from china?
I lived in VA for over 30 years and never heard or seen of anything like this happening before. I grew up on the James River and spent many summer days crusing up and down from Hopewell to VA Beach. I've spent many years watching them skies and water ways.
My son recently experienced problems with defective parts on his scooter. He was riding down the road flowing with traffic and all of a sudden the scooter fell apart on him causing him to crash. Traffic kept on going..of course...screw the kid on the scooter...anywho....come to find out it was due to a defective Honda Part. Honda is considering paying for his medical bills and repairs to the scooter...
In fact, I've seen people say we get a lot of guidance tech from N. Korea!
During the report of the Virginia Beach Fire Department Spokesperson he voiced concerned in respect to "carbon fiber" . As someone who was involved in the 1996 F14 crash at Oceana, a great deal of concern was placed upon the carbon fibers which we were told contained the radioactive isotope Barium, which strengthen the air frame. In its fixed state it is harmless but once airborne poses issues. I wonder if it is the case here with the police, fire and rescue wearing dust masks. Don't believe for a moment it is for the JP-5 fumes.
Originally posted by karen61057
reply to post by snowspirit
They train over the Atlantic but the plane was in distress and was making its way to the ocean front only a few more blocks to the east. Unfortunately they didnt make it there.
The guy on CNN who said these guys take risks is not correct. These guys take the utmost care when flying over residential areas. They dont for the most part. They take off and land over the water. They train over the water. They have laws on the books here to regulate their use.
This area is very very heavy in military bases. We are surrounded. There are over 130 installations in the state and most are in the south east region here in hampton roads . We rely heavily on the personnel from these bases for our retail businesses. Other than military we have tourist which is seasonal. Without the military we are just another beach on the Atlantic coast.
The one-seat plane, based at the Naval Air Station Atlanta, went down about 11 a.m. and hit some trees about 30 miles north of Chattanooga, the Navy said. No one on the ground was injured.
Originally posted by RichardPrice
Originally posted by C0bzz
Accidents happen, however we must remember that the F/A-18F has two engines, and additionally planes take the risk of ingesting a bird every time they fly - especially when taking off and landing, or at airshows. Accidents do not happen often.
The issue with that is that the airport takes proactive efforts to manage the local bird population, and the aircraft taking off or landing passes through the threat area very quickly, on a trajectory which precludes them from striking surround obstacles.
Secondly, normal airshows have a minimum display height which is above the statistical bird strike area, and this particular display in this case was cleared to significantly below that minimum by the FAA. This is also abnormal because it was clearly below the height of surrounding obstructions, also a huge no no in display flying.
Thirdly, losing an engine is no laughing matter, no matter how many engines you have - an F/A-18F losing a single engine will also suffer from reduced hydraulics, reduced electronics and of course reduced power. Also it is not unknown for a bird strike to affect both engines, especially if the aircraft strikes a flock of birds (infact, it would probably be more likely for both engines on a fighter jet to be affected during a bird strike in such circumstances than not, as the intakes are close together).
Also recall the F/A/-18D crash last year - the jet suffered an oil pressure failure in the right engine, which the pilot then shut down. The left engine then failed while the aircraft was diverting to a ground base, resulting in the crash. Both engines failed.
Lets not beat around the bush here shall we - we are not talking about an engine out situation in normal flight. The aircraft was very low, below the height of surrounding obstacles with the minimum of space to manouever. This was dangerous.