Everyone DOES understand why there can't be an Armed Population?

Originally posted by someguy0083
reply to post by abecedarian

 

How dare you use facts! i should contact a moderator and report you

Just hit that alert button. The way things have been around here lately, the mods would at least love to see it.

I'll give up my guns when the cops give up theirs. If I don't need a gun to protect myself, then law enforcement doesn't either.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by rockintitz

 

If someone has a gun on me, that's probably not the moment I'm pulling a gun.

A finger pull is way faster than lifting your shirt up and fumbling a 9mm from the side of your waist.

You missed the point, because if you had a gun with you, there'd be less likely a chance that someone would be able to approach you with a gun in the first place. You clearly haven't thought about any of these situations before. What if someone busts down your door in the middle of the night and they have a gun? How are you going to defend yourself then?

reply to post by bl4ke360

You missed the point, because if you had a gun with you, there'd be less likely a chance that someone would be able to approach you with a gun in the first place. You clearly haven't thought about any of these situations before. What if someone busts down your door in the middle of the night and they have a gun? How are you going to defend yourself then?

Ok devils advocate for this one.

I don't think he did miss the point unless he wears a side arm to bed. And a loaded firearm under your pillow ?
It would be better to try and get thru the perp than to blow your own fool head off or worse yet your wifes. Come on ! If some one breaks down my door and has a firearm I should've had a stronger friggen door.

Sorry havent read all this but if its about a few shootings of civilians and thats the excuse used to disarm people then that is a totally stupid idea.

For god sake, 9/11 was an inside job!

Removal of peoples right to bear arms will only lead to one thing, the public beimg squashed like a bug and unable to defend themselves against a tyranical government.

What a ridculas notion.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by bl4ke360

 

You missed the point, because if you had a gun with you, there'd be less likely a chance that someone would be able to approach you with a gun in the first place. You clearly haven't thought about any of these situations before. What if someone busts down your door in the middle of the night and they have a gun? How are you going to defend yourself then?

Ok devils advocate for this one.

I don't think he did miss the point unless he wears a side arm to bed. And a loaded firearm under your pillow ?
It would be better to try and get thru the perp than to blow your own fool head off or worse yet your wifes. Come on ! If some one breaks down my door and has a firearm I should've had a stronger friggen door.

edit on 5-4-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)

Ok if not the door then it could be the window, the point is it's always possible that you can end up in a situation where a gun is the only chance of survival. I didn't say it would have to be under your pillow either, it could be in a cabinet or something. If you hear somebody breaking in downstairs you'd have more than enough time to open a drawer, so your next argument won't be valid either.

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But I was the devils advocate ! I always have a way out when in doubt .

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff

In every country criminals have access to guns easy enough yet no where else in the world do gun deaths come anywhere near the total that they do in the US.

The whole culture of guns being acceptable needs to change, its no longer the wild west, you no longer need to protect yourself from Indians and cattle rustlers.

I'm not even going to bother to dig up links off the web of firearm death stats for the world. To me Tyranny isn't just about the government threat but any group that feels the need to control your actions without constitution. Gangs, Clans and Militia groups all out man and gun our public service officers.

Shootings like the one in CA just make the General public want to go out and buy a gun.

Financial gain is the only reason many of the strongest non religious groups don't create public drama or issues on a broad scale. Religious groups have seen what happens when you bring attention to themselves in the USA.

OWS was not as big as everyone made it out to be. It's downfall was mostly do to them becoming an annoyance to the general public which in turn cost them support. I saw it first hand in Seattle. I say this not to start a OWS discussion but to point America's gereral reaction to those events.

Sorry I'm rambling.. My point is if you want to take away the guns then take away the drama. Because as soon as something happens that offends, disrespects or threatens a society it will find a way to defend itself. The difference between your country and ours is we've been doing it for 200 years. Actually I'll go as far as saying we've been doing it for 350 years. And that's taking into consideration that America is built by people who armed themselves to fight for their beliefs.

Again this is just my thoughts. My wife and I have chosen to not have guns in our house. I have an updated concealed weapons permit that I've kept current for the past 17 years. When I feel the need to buy a weapon I will go get one. For now things are nice and confortible where I live. I just wish others could be as lucky.

Originally posted by rockintitz
reply to post by IkNOwSTuff

 

If someone else had a gun pointed at you you would change your tune.
If everyone owned a gun it would put us all on equal footing.
How is taking guns away from law abiding citizens and leaving the criminals with them not self-defeating?

Yeah if someone points a gun at me Im sure hed be willing to wait for me to pull out mine to even the score

Taking guns away from everyone would start a shift in your culture that says guns are not cool or ok, as Im sure your aware every country has criminals and they all have access to weapons yet most of the world gets by just fine without owning a gun.
We also dont have 15000+ gun deaths a year which is a nice bonus

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Fair point, guns for hunting or protection from wildlife is a different story.
If you live in a rural area then yeah you probably do need a gun, most farmers in Australia have a rifle.

I guess Im talking about city dwellers who have guns for "protection" whether that be from the government or from criminals, to the rest of the world it just seems ridiculous.

Lets say the government turns the army on all of you, they come for you in the night and you manage to kill 2 soldiers, you think the others soldiers are gonna be scared and say "of my god hes got a gun too, we better leave him alone" hells no!!!!!!!! their gonna hunt your ass down for killing their buddy and most likely kill your family for good measure.

Yes criminals have guns and while scary the rest of the world does just fine, does it not occur to any of you that the fact guns are so easily available makes criminality as easier option?
The reason you have so much gun related crime is because guns are everywhere.

And as for foreign invasion Thats just say it did happen, somehow another country completely annihilates the worlds most advanced, combat ready and experienced military, whats your handgun gonna do except make you more of a target?

Americans will never get it, guns are not good and if you need one (besides for hunting) then there is something really wrong with your society

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
reply to post by randyvs

 

Fair point, guns for hunting or protection from wildlife is a different story.
If you live in a rural area then yeah you probably do need a gun, most farmers in Australia have a rifle.

I guess Im talking about city dwellers who have guns for "protection" whether that be from the government or from criminals, to the rest of the world it just seems ridiculous.

Lets say the government turns the army on all of you, they come for you in the night and you manage to kill 2 soldiers, you think the others soldiers are gonna be scared and say "of my god hes got a gun too, we better leave him alone" hells no!!!!!!!! their gonna hunt your ass down for killing their buddy and most likely kill your family for good measure.

Yes criminals have guns and while scary the rest of the world does just fine, does it not occur to any of you that the fact guns are so easily available makes criminality as easier option?
The reason you have so much gun related crime is because guns are everywhere.

And as for foreign invasion

Thats just say it did happen, somehow another country completely annihilates the worlds most advanced, combat ready and experienced military, whats your handgun gonna do except make you more of a target?

Americans will never get it, guns are not good and if you need one (besides for hunting) then there is something really wrong with your society

then again why should it even matter? how about a knife, a baseball bat, a fork in the eye beats 3 aces any day. lol

it's a weak argument conducted by weak minded individuals whom can't see past their own control issues. people have guns big whoop! who gives a chit really? in stead of working on controlling each others lives we should work on caring about each others lives because in the end that's all that matters and that's all that will work.

Originally posted by IkNOwSTuff
Taking guns away from everyone would start a shift in your culture that says guns are not cool or ok, as Im sure your aware every country has criminals and they all have access to weapons yet most of the world gets by just fine without owning a gun.
We also dont have 15000+ gun deaths a year which is a nice bonus

And about 90% of the US, at least from a geographic standpoint, gets by just fine even though we do have legalized gun ownership. The biggest part of the problem lies in the inner cities, and gun ban or not, its not going to matter, Some of them have tried it and have generally been met with little success.

Regardless, its worth pointing out that US homicide rates have actually been in sharp decline over the last twenty years. That's not to say its acceptable where it currently is, because it is not, but given the continuing downward trend, I don't think a drastic erosion of rights for the 99.9% of responsible gun owners is necessary, especially when only a very small minority are the problem.

People take my post as anti gun....far from it...I seek to explain the dark forces behind the constant media harping on every gun incident that can be exploited and manipulated.
There is an attempt to control people ,to make them fearful so " The Government" can take care of them.
An armed man is a confident man and the states with the largest LEGAL gin ownership are the most independent thinking states.
In the weeks after the Goetz shootings in New York the subways were the safest they had ever been due to fears by thugs that their next victim may be the shooter.hmmmm
Shooting at criminals works... You are already being assaulted.Home invasions fit the same category.Relying on
"The Government" to save you is a dead end path
In so many ways.

Originally posted by Homedawg

An armed citizen is a more confident person.He/she feels they can handle things themselves without asking for help and that confidence carries over into all aspects of their lives,thus making them LESS dependent on the Nanny State of the Liberal Utopia.

Armed or unarmed, I have always felt that way.
I suppose it is wrong to be independent like that.
Hell, even at 10 years old I was independent and certainly unarmed(does a bb gun count), it would piss me off when my parents would help me with something.

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True.

It seems like the less intelligent people are, the more fearful they become. This will lead them to stock up on guns/ammo.

reply to post by someguy0083


There is a flaw in your argument, the UK is not entirely out of the woods yet, Europe is our biggest market, if they dont have money to spend we will still suffer. The previous administration (Labour = Socialists) banned guns after a mentally deranged person went off on one and killed a load of young kids in a school. Good idea in a way.

However when you look into the case, the police initailly refused him a firearms licence because they were concerned that he was mentally unstable, this was overturned by a Labour Peer (Lord) who vouched for his sanity and character. See where this is going. Guns then get banned and they (labour) can wash their hands. Dirty lying scheming barstewards, a bloody in your face false flag, yet the UK public bought it hook, line and sinker.

Criminals had guns then and guess what, they still have them now, in fact since guns were banned in the UK the amount of deaths by guns has gone up and not down, so cousins i would urge you to resist any attempt to wrestle them from you by goverment. We can still own crossbows though, which is kind of interesting as they are also quite hard to outrun.

Anyone who thinks that gun crime will drop is seriously deluded, criminals already dont give toss, they're criminals ffs. you have more crims with guns than we ever had so the problem would be worse for you

It really doesn't matter what argument or statistics either side makes, TPTB are hell bent on increasing their strangle hold on the 2nd and eventually they will attempt to nullify the 2nd. If we are unarmed then we will have no choice but to bow down and accept their tyranny and become subjects (property) of the government.

Call me a gun worshipping wacko if you want but I would just as soon be dead than to be considered the property of anyone. The fact that we are an armed populace is the only reason we are not living under complete tyranny now and the day we stop being armed is the day we are doomed.

When the people fear the government there is tyranny but when the government fears the people there is liberty.~Thomas Jefferson

This is why you see such an increase in anti gun rhetoric, TPTB have purely evil designs for us but as it stands now they fear an armed populace. Remove our guns (our defence from tyranny) and what do they have to fear?

Having a firearm doesn't guarantee protection from a gang of soldiers, criminals, crooked cops or whatever else, but it does give you a chance and will offer pause to those attacking you or thinking about it. Banded together, you have something even more formidable.

It seems to me that if they're weren't so many gun owners in America, things would be even worse as the government would have even less to fear from the public they are continuing to rob, cheat and lie to so easily. The confidence and hope in having a way to protect yourself and fight is also enough to sway. My sixty five year old mother carries a handgun, while walking to her car, she was approached by a thug, by simply reaching into her purse, the man ran away.
If we lived in a country where that criminal knew no one had guns, it would have been a much different ending.
The price is well worth the risks as far as I'm concerned.

For all the arguments that are anti-gun, and some are valid points, they simply don't outweigh the importance of having the right to bear arms. For every horror story, there are one's like my mothers. Your government is not here to protect you, they are here to control you. You put far too much trust in an organization that has systematically taken away more rights in the last ten years than the previous two hundred. If you really believe things could never become that bad, then I'm sorry but you are just naive. Every precious freedom that people lost their lives over to have, are disappearing, ever ask yourself why? It's not for make believe terrorists or your protection I can tell you that much.

For all the gun owners that understand it's importance, just remember that if and when then time comes to fight, it will be done by single digit percentages of the population. People that are living their comfortable little lives have no appreciation for just how fragile our world is and when the time comes probably won't be much help anyway, it's just the way it is, some are fighters and some are not. There's a place for each and I know which one I'm interested in.

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Here is my answer to your thread...


There are a few disturbing 911 calls on this video!

True Story Time:

I was always anti gun. I would not buy one or have one in my house. I have had a gun pointed at my head 3 times in my life, twice with my wife, and all 3 times the other party did not shoot - sometimes after begging pleading for our lives and a bit of prayer.

We were lucky and this luck cannot hold. Odds are against it. Next time, we are likely to get our heads blown off.

I was given a gun, got trained and now I'm happy I accepted it. I not only feel safer but I know if someone breaks in my house I'm able and willing to shoot them dead before they shoot us.

I can like in most states in the USA, carry my gun most places in public openly without any special permit or registration. In most states this is 100% legal. You only need a permit to carry a gun that you are concealing.

Anyone can buy an unregistered second hand gun, fill out no paperwork, strap it to their side and walk around town just like the Old West - there are no laws against that in the USA in most places.

That only sounds crazy to people who are not educated about gun laws in the USA. But statistics show most of the time when guns are used for crimes it's by people who try to conceal the gun and are not willing to be open and honest about their gun ownership. Statistics also show criminals are less likely to break into a home where it's known the owner has a gun and knows how to use it. I live in a small community. I want my neighbors, and cops to know I own and openly carry a gun for defense. The more people who do this, the more the whole neighborhood can be a safer place.

Do I think we should all go back to the Old West way of doing things? Yes, I do. It's needed in today's climate of crime. We cannot rely on the cops who are few and far between to protect us. We can get killed way before anyone calls 911.