Originally posted by Aliensun
That position stated at the beginning, than you have no recourse except to deny every credible UFO account radar return and photo every made, plus
deny the whole concept that ETs are visiting us.
So just what do you plan to do? Sagan is long gone and his spiel is getting trumped every day by new scientific discoveries that bring the actuality
of ETs closer and closer to Terra. You better hurry with your conventional logic and reason, it is melting fast in current scientific discoveries.
(My advise is to pick up a plastic construction workers helmet at a yard sale and cover it with heavy-duty aluminum foil--just in case you may need
I'm having a little difficulty understanding what you mean here. If I am correct in my assumption of what you are saying (which is that I have to deny
every piece of evidence supporting non human intelligence due to the fact that I am skeptical), I would say you are taking a meaning I did not intend
from my statement. I would not deny any piece of evidence presented to me, but rather examine every aspect and implication of said evidence in order
to determine its validity.
First off, I would like to point out that I do NOT believe that UFO's must point to a non human intelligence(I will refer to these as NHI's). I DO,
however, believe that this is only one of many possible explanations which must be either proven or dis proven using "my fast melting conventional
logic". That being said, I believe that credible has a very different definition myself than it does for you. Now, in the absence of hard, concrete
evidence and fact, I am just as inclined to disbelieve a NASA report stating the existence of these NHI's just as much as I am inclined to not believe
Bill Joe Jr. posting a shaky video of a trash can lid tied to a string and claiming he has made contact with the NHI. Let me note here that my
personal opinion on non human intelligence's is completely irrelevant, and so is everyone else's, including yours. Opinion < Fact. Now let's delve a
bit deeper into some examples of what I (and, arguably, just about anyone with common sense) could consider CREDIBLE evidence. First, propulsion.
Obviously, an NHI visiting us would not be using traditional propulsion methods (burning gas etc) for the many practical issues that would arise. In
light of this, a good way to lend some credence to the NHI argument would be to debate on some possible methods of propulsion they would be using, and
what evidence of this propulsion would either be apparent during the visitation, or in the best case scenario, somehow measurable and apparent after
the visitation. Now, this could be a number of things such as radiation, isolated local changes in gravitational fields, etc. You get the idea. Wow,
imagine that: about ten seconds of thought and already we have something to work with here that, if proven, could lead to the discovery of, you
guessed it, CREDIBLE EVIDENCE! Here's another idea, perhaps study the trajectories, angles, velocities etc of the UFO's that are recorded and try to
find some kind of simmilarities or connections, you would be amazed at the inter connectedness of things when you look deeply enough, and what these
connections prove and disprove. And no I am not suggesting that someone pulls some wack ass idea out of the air that all the UFO's are 5m across or
some bs so you multiply it by this and divide it by that and get 9 or some such bs. Remember, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And
generally, extraordinary claims have absolutely no evidence to support them. This is not to say that just because something extraordinary is claimed
it is automagically false, but it is also not automagically true either. In the same sense, I would like to reiterate what I stated earlier: I WILL
NEVER DENY THE AUTHENTICITY OF ANY EVIDENCE until it has been thoroughly disproven and debunked to the fullest, at the same time I will gladly
reconsider my stance on a subject if a previously unseen way to examine the evidence is brought to light. I am painting a picture for you here,
Aliensun, and I hope you are getting the message. You can call me a shill or disinfo or government hooblah whatever, but at the end of the day I can
sleep easy knowing that "my fast melting logic" stood fast against your barrage of trash can lids tied to strings and lunatic ravings.
Now, I will not even begin to pretend that what I do or say is free of error, no one is perfect and i am very far from it. However, I do fully
understand the difference between what is perceived to be real and what is real, what is opinion and what is fact, and who wears the aluminum foil
dunce hat at the end of the day and who doesn't.
In light of all this, I humbly present you with the Aluminum Hat of Dunce (think of it as a condom that protects against FACTS)
Sorry this reply was not more thorough, but I am tired and believe i got my point across here.
P.S. I do apologize if the tone here was a bit severe, but don't take it personally. It's the nature of debate. I am not attempting to discredit you
or start a flame war but I will be damned if anyone puts words into my mouth.
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