Even worse than SOPA: New CISPA cybersecurity bill will censor the Web

Originally posted by FortAnthem


And when we beat this one back, they'll go back, rename it and try to ram it through AGAIN.

I seems TPTB have determined that, come Hell or high water, they're gonna get this piece of legislation through eventually. They just have to keep renaming it and re-introducing it until, one day they manage to slip it through while we all aren't looking.

All they need is a big enough distraction. Iran anyone?

How do you think the patriot act made it through?

Congress doesn't even read half the bills they pass. A ton of those bills are drafted by the very people they are legislating anyway, they just put a signature on it and cash in their check...and later employment from the companies they were supposed to regulate and keep in check.

Bought sock puppets, all of them

Looks like the CDT(Center for Democracy and Technology) have the opinion that the PRECISE Act (HR 3674) would be a preferable alternative to CISPA.

www.cdt.org...

The bill promotes information sharing while protecting privacy and civil liberties by:

-carefully defining the types of cyber threat information that can be shared through the clearinghouse;

-specifically requiring that personally identifiable information not necessary to describe a cyber threat may not be shared with and by the clearinghouse;

-restricting to cybersecurity purposes the use and disclosure of the information shared with and by the clearinghouse;

-creating a limited private right of action for persons injured by the disclosure or use of information for other than cybersecurity purposes when such conduct is willful or intentional, and is not in good faith;

-limiting law enforcement use of information shared for cybersecurity purposes to prosecute only cybersecurity crimes, thus helping to ensure that cybersecurity information sharing does not become a back door wiretap or surveillance program;

-avoiding giving the government authority to shut down or limit Internet traffic in a cybersecurity emergency; and

-cementing DHS as the lead federal agency for cybersecuirty for the civilian government and private sectors, instead of putting the National Security Agency or DOD’s new Cybercommand in this role.

While I think this bill will likely need to be stopped as well, it might be a good alternative. Can't find the specific bill text, so I just quoted the article.
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reply to post by 4hero


I have something to hide! How about when I have a period every month! Do you think that is important enough for the feds to want to know about? How about the color of my crap that is put in my medical files. That is stuff the feds would want to know am I right?

Because that is what it is boiling down too seriously. You wont be able to take a crap before too long unless the feds know about it or how many times we flush the toilet. Yes, if we flush the toilet a certain number of times they will come knocking on your door and ask you why to you feel the need to flush so many times are you flushing drugs down the toilet because you cant possible be crapping that many times now can you?

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by FortAnthem


And when we beat this one back, they'll go back, rename it and try to ram it through AGAIN.

I seems TPTB have determined that, come Hell or high water, they're gonna get this piece of legislation through eventually. They just have to keep renaming it and re-introducing it until, one day they manage to slip it through while we all aren't looking.

All they need is a big enough distraction. Iran anyone?

How do you think the patriot act made it through?

Congress doesn't even read half the bills they pass. A ton of those bills are drafted by the very people they are legislating anyway, they just put a signature on it and cash in their check...and later employment from the companies they were supposed to regulate and keep in check.

Bought sock puppets, all of them

Agreed 100%^^^^^^^ It's nothing more than pork barrel politics in another form. They will eventually get this thru one way or another and it will be done in the name of "it's for your own good". A little chaos and fear, they'll be good to go.

reply to post by reitze


Lol Michelle Bachmann sponsored it. Wasn't she a "Tea Party" candidate that wanted to stop the corruption?

reply to post by MrRamblinRose


Sure but Obama will sign it and then go on a rampage about how he was against it.

i remember the patriotic act. Obama campaigned against it and then used an electronic pen to sign it. He was against NDAA but then signed it. He was strangely silent on SIPA but then signed the ACTA treaty.

Don't blame this on the republicans, blame this on Congress and obama.

Originally posted by MrRamblinRose
reply to post by reitze

 

Lol Michelle Bachmann sponsored it. Wasn't she a "Tea Party" candidate that wanted to stop the corruption?

Yea, women like her who are both pretty, intelligent, and make money by "selling out" the greater truths to promote the interest of the corrupt are EXACTLY where he "C word" comes fromi. Then again if she really believes that regulating everyone and taking away freedom of speech is what the TP was about rather than what she could get away with then maybe she isn't really very smart. I happen to think she's dishonest fitting the word, and if she's really just dumb like Bush feigned, well then the result is the same.

Save the Internet from the US
AVAAZ has an action link on their front page (link below), it's cool to see all the people from different countries around the world signing on to declare opposition to this new attempt.... boy they just don't give up.....

Looks like like Spain, Italy Germany and Brazil are the biggest signers right now, but have seen USA, Canada, India, Pakistan, Austria, Switzerland, Argentina, Finland, Estonia, Lithiuania, Mexico, Australia, UK, Mozambique, Greece,Netherlands,Ireland, UAE amoungst others... just great to see the word is getting out.

www.avaaz.org...

reply to post by MrXYZ


Yup...I guess they think that if they keep at it eventually we'll all just give in and let them have what they want ... hoping we can get this thread bumped up to gain more visibility here on ATS. Seems to be a bit slow and it's not showing up on the main pages.

I messaged a few folks hoping to entice them over to get this issue the visibility it deserves.

If they can't get this one passed, they will rename it and package it something like this: Cyberspace and internet security and child porn protection. Then if you say you are against the bill, they will say that you are for child porn so that you will not say anything.

reply to post by someguy0083


Actually I blame all of them that keep voting for all this ....it's obviously just a whole big sham... there's obviously an overall agenda and getting sucked into R & D differences is just the circus for the masses ...

reply to post by AliceBlackman


It doesn't have any visibility because something or someone is keeping it so far down by posting all those other stupid threads that make no common sense at all. There are three right now that is just plain retarded. Time to take the blah blah blah, how bout time to stfu because those type of treads are stupid. Its so obvious they want to keep this thread buried so it doesn't get seen. It doesn't matter tho because ATS is not the only forum or avenue of free speech.

We all need to do something to pass this word along. We dont have much time left with this bill as it will be heard again on APril 23rd and that is only 2 weeks away. However, this is not the only bill out there that is trying to sneak past us as far as our privacy is concerned.

There are four out there this time (4) bills but, this bill H.R. 3523 is the broadest and will demand that every website give up information that is asked for without question for any reason to any legal authority. This is just one more way that they are trying to control what businesses can and can not do.

Also, all these bills that are trying to be passed or if one does get passed, are passing through our minds as well, and basically conditioning us into being more careful in our conversations, in being more careful as to what we say and how we say things. Its not about being politically correct either or being moral in your values. It is however, a form of conditioning regardless of what they say and it will not stop with this. Look at the past and see what bills they have already passed. Watch and follow the timeline of this and it will start to piece itself together and then you will see the truth. You will see what the future holds for us all.

Better start paying attention and caring alot more than you already are, else it will be way to late to do anything at all about it anymore.

Originally posted by AliceBlackman

Actually I blame all of them that keep voting for all this ....it's obviously just a whole big sham... there's obviously an overall agenda and getting sucked into R & D differences is just the circus for the masses ...

edit on 6-4-2012 by AliceBlackman because: added last line

Of course there is going to be an bigger overall agenda if they keep coming back with new bills. Maybe its just the start, slowly take away the freedoms step by step in smaller bits so the masses won't notice a significant difference in the short period but they would if they stepped back and looked at the bigger picture.

Its a bit like the piracy law trying to get through in the UK currently, was rejected under the labour government, now its trying to get through with the tories and lib dems.

Same agenda, different faces.

reply to post by daveyboy1991


yes I agree they've been chipping away for a long time now, things really accelerated after 9/11 and recently things have become breath taking.....

this latest election cycle is IMHO so farcical with all the who ha over women's reproductive health seems to me the big players want to see Barack Obama re-elected, because the R antics have been turning a lot of women voters off... gotta love being played. The thing that gets me is how many off them from both sides of the aisle have been voting for all these "saftey" measures ....where oh where is an organized opposition ?

reply to post by mustangill


I'm pretty dismayed at how this has stayed off the front pages. I submitted the story to Democracy Now in the hopes Amy Goodman picks up the story, I know it doesn't have the biggest audiences but hopefully we can get some traction. A freind of mine in South Africa alerted me to this news this morning.. I was so sure it was going to be bigger news on ATS .... shows how wrong you can be !

here's a link to a global protest site,they've gotten about 347,000 signatures so far...like you said this isn't the only thing they're trying to slip through...

www.avaaz.org...

Well, this one stinks. I'd posted on this for a different thread but after a friend mentioned this one (thanks), it looks more complete on the issue.....and this goes more into the international aspects. That side I'm sorry to say, I often fail to fully consider. It must look so much worse from a nation that didn't want this nightmare of regulation and isn't in any position to even register a complaint for the Internet such small nations own as much as everyone else on Earth.

I find it interesting that several seem to note that CISPA 'isn't all that bad' or 'at least it doesn't have....' followed by whatever SOPA and PIPA had the most of.

This is NO different folks...It just isn't going for the whole shooting match in ONE shot. They tried that with the first two and saw that has ZERO chance. Now...it's back to the tried and true incrementalism that has doomed us all in so many OTHER areas. CISPA may fail...but it will be followed by others. If it DOES pass....it will still be followed by more than eventually get us TO and BEYOND anything SOPA/PIPA were trying for.

Feeding us a bucket of crap in baby bites just works for them where the first go around really isn't effective when we SEE the whole bucket the spoon is coming from. CISPA is the same bucket...just in baby bites.

Another way to do it is if this one doesn't pass they will do it in smaller doses using code language to fool the populace.

Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
Another way to do it is if this one doesn't pass they will do it in smaller doses using code language to fool the populace.

That's very likely, but as long as the informed keep on top of it, we can help uncover the deception to the populace.

- H

Originally posted by 4hero

What are you on about as well. Why is my comment garbage? It's pretty obvious they wont watch normal people online, unless you have something to hide then why all the worry? You and the person who posted above you are extremely paranoid! Take a chill pill and stop worrying yourself, unless you both have stuff you are hiding? Sounds like it to me...

If that were true, the law would limit any prosecution except for terrorism.
They want to know all about us. It makes it easier to place us iin the internment camps.
It may start small but then most things do. Then they grow; like gulags, concentration camps and re-education centers. You may not be old enough to remember the Weather Underground who believed those who couldn't be re-educated should be killed. Now we have authority figures saying people who don't believe in man made global warming should be treated for insanity. They have the information. They have the laws.
Soon they may have you. But then, it is only you. I don't have to start worrying until they come for me.

Originally posted by 4hero
Surely no one has anything to worry about unless you are involved in criminal activities?

In a perfect world, with perfect people, I'd say you would be right.

But esentially who gets to decide what and who is criminal ?

History is full of examples of what these kind of laws have been used for, that's an awful lot of trust to put in our elected officials who are imperfect.