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Originally posted by Greatest I am
and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him
Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.
The God of the OT certainly seems rather bloodthirsty. My favorite part was when the father gave his daughter to a mob to be raped, murdered, and dismembered
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by smyleegrl
The God of the OT certainly seems rather bloodthirsty. My favorite part was when the father gave his daughter to a mob to be raped, murdered, and dismembered
You think this God who says this is blood thirsty?
*Long Scripture*
Malachi 2:2-3 New International Version (NIV) 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not resolve to honor my name,” says the LORD Almighty, “I will send a curse on you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not resolved to honor me. 3 “Because of you I will rebuke your descendants[a]; I will smear on your faces the dung from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it.
Germany is at all times prepared to renounce offensive weapons if the rest of the world does the same. Germany is prepared to agree to any solemn pact of non-aggression because she does not think of attacking anybody but only of acquiring security.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by smyleegrl
The God of the OT certainly seems rather bloodthirsty. My favorite part was when the father gave his daughter to a mob to be raped, murdered, and dismembered
You think this God who says this is blood thirsty?
Isaiah 55
“Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.
2 Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
3 Incline your ear, and come to Me.
Hear, and your soul shall live;
And I will make an everlasting covenant with you—
The sure mercies of David.
4 Indeed I have given him as a witness to the people,
A leader and commander for the people.
5 Surely you shall call a nation you do not know,
And nations who do not know you shall run to you,
Because of the Lord your God,
And the Holy One of Israel;
For He has glorified you.”
6 Seek the Lord while He may be found,
Call upon Him while He is near.
7 Let the wicked forsake his way,
And the unrighteous man his thoughts;
Let him return to the Lord,
And He will have mercy on him;
And to our God,
For He will abundantly pardon.
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
10 “For as the rain comes down, and the snow from heaven,
And do not return there,
But water the earth,
And make it bring forth and bud,
That it may give seed to the sower
And bread to the eater,
11 So shall My word be that goes forth from My mouth;
It shall not return to Me void,
But it shall accomplish what I please,
And it shall prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
12 “For you shall go out with joy,
And be led out with peace;
The mountains and the hills
Shall break forth into singing before you,
And all the trees of the field shall clap their hands.
13 Instead of the thorn shall come up the cypress tree,
And instead of the brier shall come up the myrtle tree;
And it shall be to the Lord for a name,
For an everlasting sign that shall not be cut off.”
You talk about that which you know absolutely nothing about, pure ignorance.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?
It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so.
Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?
Originally posted by smyleegrl
Love this post.
The God of the OT certainly seems rather bloodthirsty. My favorite part was when the father gave his daughter to a mob to be raped, murdered, and dismembered.
I suppose the only way I could reply to your query would be that perhaps God knows better than us what should happen, ergo withholding a cure could lead to a greater good. If this is the case, then God would still be moral and good.
Originally posted by xxsomexpersonxx
Originally posted by Greatest I am
and given that we are to emulate, follow and try to be like him
I cannot see how, in any way, we could define morality as emulating God. Especially the God of the old testament.
So, I'd say at least, that we can discuss specific situations and the morality of possible courses of actions, without ever citing what any god would have done in that situation. Instead of saying "OT God would slaughter, we should emulate that to be moral", we can instead look at the details, analyze what harm is caused by what options we take, and trust our empathy for the feelings of others.
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I know this question is geared towards those who may feel like that's the terms for being moral, however, it just needs to be pointed out that most people go by better terms than that.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Greatest I am
Life, be it from God or nature, should be venerated. God does not seem to venerate human life even as he claims man to be his most precious and loved creation and even placing us above the angels. This indicates that he should venerate our lives yet it does not seem to.
Your mistake is you are lumping God in with humans. He is as far beyond us, as we are beyond a pissant. He has already stated in the bible that his concerns are not our concerns.
Isaiah 55:8-9
8“For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
9 “For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
So are My ways higher than your ways,
And My thoughts than your thoughts.
If you want to understand Yahweh, you look at Jesus because thats who he is. I suggest you read that entire chapter, not that it will do you any good. Thats all i have to say.
Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
reply to post by Greatest I am
A man who couldn't swim jumped into a swimming pool, just because he could and there was no lifegaurd on duty. A passerby heard his cries "help me! i can't swim! somebody save me, help, help!". The passerby vaults over the fence and grabs the emergency rescue float and throws it next to the drowning man, but the drowning man refused to grab the device and so he drowned.
Whose fault is it he died?edit on 5-4-2012 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dbates
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Is it moral to kill when a cure options is available?
It is said that God can do whatever he likes. He is after all, God. He created everything and can destroy it at a whim if he chooses to do so.
Is it moral for God to kill when a cure options is available?
The assumption that life on Earth is the culmination and sole reason for our existence is the flaw in this logic. There is more to existence than the ability for your human body to function properly. In fact it's quite clear that Adam and Eve were removed from the Garden because taking the Tree of Life as humans would have been a curse. It would be immoral to prolong your existence in its current state forever.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by smyleegrl
Love this post.
The God of the OT certainly seems rather bloodthirsty. My favorite part was when the father gave his daughter to a mob to be raped, murdered, and dismembered.
I suppose the only way I could reply to your query would be that perhaps God knows better than us what should happen, ergo withholding a cure could lead to a greater good. If this is the case, then God would still be moral and good.
Perhaps. But then, if you look at his other laws, we would find many other immoral ones.
Like his divorce law. Let no man put asunder says that even if a woman is beat twice a week, she must remain married. That means that love, the number one reason for marriage cannot be sought and she must live with her S O B of a husband.
Regards
DL