Is this Michelle Obama staging a sit in at Harvard Law?? WH is still mum...(video)

Originally posted by RSF77

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Race based hiring practices have a lot to do with equality when that pracitce used to be "we only hire whites".

But go ahead and pretend that has never existed.

So, according to you, that should be switched to be the opposite now?

Is that what you are trying to get at or what?

Nothing like an ignorant advocating hate in the name of love huh?

I take it this kind of thing worked out great for Chicago. Where highly qualified whites now have to find a new job so the city can hire more less qualified blacks.

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edit on 19-3-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

Nope...not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that when the policy was "we only hire/promote whites"...then it is a noble thing that people stood up and said that practice is wrong...which is what this protest was all about.

I'm sure some would like it to still be common practice today...which is why you see the hate from some people that Obama may have stood up to that in the past.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Nope...not what I'm saying at all.

I'm saying that when the policy was "we only hire/promote whites"...then it is a noble thing that people stood up and said that practice is wrong...which is what this protest was all about.

I'm sure some would like it to still be common practice today...which is why you see the hate from some people that Obama may have stood up to that in the past.

What does that have to do with:

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Race based hiring practices have a lot to do with equality when that pracitce used to be "we only hire whites".

But go ahead and pretend that has never existed.

But go ahead and pretend you didn't write that.

In a round about funny way, you were trying to say whites should be punished (via their job) because of America's past issues with civil rights. Effectively taking a step backward in social law and common sense. Are you a closet racist preaching equality?

that's so cool that the first lady is a harvard grad AND sticks up for her ideas with passion

reply to post by syrinx high priest


They haven't even confirmed it was her yet?

In fact, all it says is that:

including the woman who appears to be Mrs. Obama

Is this all it takes anymore?

reply to post by RSF77

In a round about funny way, you were trying to say whites should be punished (via their job) because of America's past issues with civil rights. Effectively taking a step backward in social law and common sense. Are you a closet racist preaching equality?

You need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills.

Advocating for the elimination of racist hiring practices does not mean you are advocating for it to go to the other extreme.

Affirmative Action was needed to force racist white people into hiring minorities.

And unfortunately it is still needed today...as evidenced by many members expressed thoughts here on ATS.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


My reading comprehension is fine.

Race based hiring practices have a lot to do with equality when that pracitce used to be "we only hire whites".

You're saying affirmative action is a consequence of prejudice toward blacks, or do you have some other subjective way of talking yourself out of this?

If you are going to spout off, own what you say.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by RSF77

 

Advocating for the elimination of racist hiring practices does not mean you are advocating for it to go to the other extreme.

From the OP's article:

The students were supporting Professor Derrick Bell’s demand that the law school hire professors on the basis of race.

This doesn't sound like advocating the "elimination of racism" to me.

reply to post by NightGypsy


I know right, people pretty much supporting blatant racism while they claim to be fighting against it.

I guess it just sounds nice to people who want to read the cover and not the book.

Maybe it doesn't qualify as racism because it's not "white on black" racism, lol.

reply to post by NightGypsy

From the OP's article:

The students were supporting Professor Derrick Bell’s demand that the law school hire professors on the basis of race.

This doesn't sound like advocating the "elimination of racism" to me.

Because the source article itself is from a biased Web site that is trying to depict Michelle Obama as racist. Derrick Bell was protesting racial barriers that Harvard Law School had erected, having never hired a single African-American professor in it's entire 150 year history. He not only caused HLS to treat minorities equally but fought for gender equality as well. I was shocked to learn that not even women were permitted into a Harvard graduate program until after 1973.

Ivy league schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale, et. al. were rife with racism and gender inequality, it took a firebrand like Bell to change that.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
reply to post by NightGypsy

 

From the OP's article:

The students were supporting Professor Derrick Bell’s demand that the law school hire professors on the basis of race.

This doesn't sound like advocating the "elimination of racism" to me.

Because the source article itself is from a biased Web site that is trying to depict Michelle Obama as racist. Derrick Bell was protesting racial barriers that Harvard Law School had erected, having never hired a single African-American professor in it's entire 150 year history. He not only caused HLS to treat minorities equally but fought for gender equality as well. I was shocked to learn that not even women were permitted into a Harvard graduate program until after 1973.

Ivy league schools like Princeton, Harvard, Yale, et. al. were rife with racism and gender inequality, it took a firebrand like Bell to change that.

Did you watch the video? or listen to the demands of the students? They wanted at least 20 tenured Black professors hired within the next 4 years and they wanted Tenured professor Derrick Bell to be promoted to Dean. The equal treatment that you speak of goes against the grain of what Derrick Bell taught. Back then this was a numbers game. Affirmative action is a numbers game without recognizing people for simple merit, achievements or performance. Just like the Title IX enforcement on college campuses. All about numbers.

To Bell, Racism was permanent and equality was unachievable because of it.

Black people will never gain full equality in this country. Even those Herculean efforts we hail as successful will produce no more than temporary `peaks of progress, short-lived victories that slide into irrelevance as racial patterns adapt in ways that maintain white dominance. This is a hard-to-accept fact that all history verifies. We must acknowledge it, not as a sign of submission, but as an act of ultimate defiance.

Other civil rights advocates have expressed similar views. Robert Carter, a veteran civil rights lawyer and later federal district court judge, once said that the pioneer civil rights leaders thought that racial segregation was the disease. Once the civil rights movement eliminated the segregation, the society would achieve racial equality for the African American people. Instead, the leaders discovered that the segregation was only the symptom, and White racism was the disease. Still further, Kenneth B. Clark, a brilliant psychologist who conducted the studies concerning the adverse impact of segregated education on the learning abilities of Black children, recently lamented (see his contribution in Race In America: The Struggle for Equality, Herbert Hill and James E. Jones, Jr., eds., 1993):

That was 1993!

This sums up the mentality in a nutshell!! How can we ever work with this??

Hence, the permanence of racism theory means that this work will never end, only the battle fronts and tactics change.

Indeed! The battlefronts and tactics have certainly evolved with a president who is at center stage stoking the coals.

Don't attack my source!!
www.prrac.org...:%20Is%20Racism%20Permanent?

Originally posted by RSF77
reply to post by syrinx high priest

 

They haven't even confirmed it was her yet?

In fact, all it says is that:

including the woman who appears to be Mrs. Obama

Is this all it takes anymore?

edit on 19-3-2012 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)

Let's see...

A couple decades old? Check...

Unconfirmed, blurry picture? Check

An issue that can be spun and used as a dog whistle to racists? Check..

Unrelated to anything remotely relevant to the state of the country right now? Check...

Yes...that is all it takes for the far right to get excited. The further from reality the story is the better, cuz reality has made them look like idiots.

ask them about the economy and they will tell you about Birth Control and socialist "sluts".

ask them about unemployment and they will call you a "baby killer"

ask them about foriegn policy and they will snap "bomb them" before you finish the question.

Religion, Birth Certificates, Porn, Contraception, Socialism, Muslims, homosexuals...and RACE...rinse and repeat.

This thread is just such a perfect example of what the far right has to offer our country.....a blurry pic of Michelle Obama from a quarter century ago and the politics of race baiting..Got it...thanks.

This video of Michelle shows some similarities to the OP video.

Watch the Left arm waving !!



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Uploaded by ScarceTV on Aug 16, 2007

Michelle Obama introduces her husband, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, at a campaign stop in western Iowa.

reply to post by Indigo5


The only one antagonizing and race baiting is you (based on your last post) and the current administration. You want to debate Obama's failed economic policy? That's another thread and we already know about his failures. This is just extra information that was never shared before. You know, the whole vetting process. The procedure was rather thorough when the biased media went after the GOP candidates with a dull machete somehow Obama and company were overlooked. Not this time.

I'll turn over every damn rock from his past. In the meantime, perhaps you can create some Pro Obama threads touting all of the neat things that he has done for this country since he took office. You can start with our deficit.

I don't know anything that Mrs. Michelle Obama has done to earn my respect or make me feel proud to be an American. Same goes for Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosie. Whatever these women have achieved it doesn't impress me what so ever.

It would be interesting to find out what these Tiger Tycoons think of Michelle, Hillary and Nancy???



Source

Originally posted by jibeho
This is just extra information that was never shared before. You know, the whole vetting process.

No...This is a blurry picture of a woman from 25 years ago that you think looks like Michelle Obama coupled with a race baiting story from 25 years ago about "race based" hiring at Harvard.

Good luck with it...It is flatulance posing as political discourse and with every new, desperate story, more Americans distance themselves from the far right's offensive odor, like advertisers fleeing Rush Limbaugh.

Are you aware that the GOPs Nominee for President is ..

the Most Unpopular Likely Presidential Nominee Ever?

Romney would have to overcome a larger favorability deficit than any other modern presidential candidate, and currently boasts the worst primary-season favorable-unfavorable split of any major-party nominee of at least the last 36 years.

www.thedailybeast.com... d&utm_campaign=Feed:+thedailybeast/articles+(The+Daily+Beast+-+Latest+Articles)

I am just saying...between stories like this, the war on immigrants, women...and well..almost everyone, the GOP is sinking thier own ship.

The most un-liked nominee in history? Seriously...keep up these stories, revive the birther debate...November is going to be really, really painful for the far right.

reply to post by Indigo5


Nice deflection. We'll see how the numbers stack up against Obama's 41% and declining approval rate. Obama is losing his key voters rapidly. The independents and the swing voters that tossed him the bone last time are not buying Obama's story.
www.politico.com...

Furthermore, Obama is certain to lose support from a distinct segment of Christians as well. Obama will be scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for votes.

Too bad my boy Newt has too much history to make a final push. The media will never let up on him. He's the only candidate that could truly collapse Obama in a debate and not feel bad about it.

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by Indigo5

 

The independents and the swing voters that tossed him the bone last time are not buying Obama's story.
www.politico.com...

You mean these independants? You should keep up with the news...Your story was from a few months ago..Sorry.

President Recapturing Groups Won by G.O.P. in 2010
the latest New York Times/CBS News poll found him faring well against the top Republican candidates among some important groups that abandoned Congressional Democrats in 2010.

In the latest poll, 49 percent of independents said they favored Mr. Obama, compared with 41 percent for Mr. Romney.
www.nytimes.com...

Originally posted by relocator
I don't know anything that Mrs. Michelle Obama has done to earn my respect or make me feel proud to be an American. Same goes for Hillary Clinton and Nancy Pelosie. Whatever these women have achieved it doesn't impress me what so ever.

It would be interesting to find out what these Tiger Tycoons think of Michelle, Hillary and Nancy???



Source

I think these 4 should be appointed

or elected to American Cabinet and Congressional positions !!

Much better looking than the current selections IMHO

reply to post by Indigo5


Remember the influence of the indy voters in the 2010 midterms? We'll see what happens when the campaign heats up and GOP nominee and VP can go head to head with Obama.

I'm ready for a replay of 2010 once the GOP finally puts up a nominee. The process has been mind numbing and counter productive. Time to put all of the attention on Obama and his failures.