"We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" - Big Brother Goes Live September 2013

"We Are This Far From A Turnkey Totalitarian State" - Big Brother Goes Live September 2013

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In its April cover story, Wired has an exclusive report on the NSA's Utah Data Center, which is a must read for anyone who believes any privacy is still a possibility in the United States: "A project of immense secrecy, it is the final piece in a complex puzzle assembled over the past decade. Its purpose: to intercept, decipher, analyze, and store vast swaths of the world’s communications as they zap down from satellites and zip through the underground and undersea cables of international, foreign, and domestic networks....

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Having read this article, not much surprises me anymore. At least not when it comes to the full understanding that the contemporary american psyche has deteriorated to a complete state of idiocracy.

All those theories of total corruption amongst our politicians, a total distrust of the american people and a state of complete evil offering the world nothing but wars and suffering have finally come true.

It is sad. If this nation is to be destroyed from within like the last days of rome then may it be so. If any, we truly have reached a point where the stench of our actions (yes even us ordianry shmoes voting forth these bastards) have made the world hate us like no other nation in the history of man. We have become worse then the Nazis.

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reply to post by johncarter


I am starting to think that it is more mocking contempt, rather than distrust. Like waving it in our faces and laughing because we continue take it.

Very interesting. I was under the impression, at least back in 2006 that most of this was already done in the name of "National Security".

Originally posted by johncarter
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It is sad. If this nation is to be destroyed from within like the last days of rome then may it be so. If any, we truly have reached a point where the stench of our actions (yes even us ordianry shmoes voting forth these bastards) have made the world hate us like no other nation in the history of man. We have become worse then the Nazis.

This was an interesting post. Then you lost me with this gem. If you think we are currently worse than the Nazis, you need to review your world history.

But then again, as soon as anyone mentions "Nazis" as a comparison, I roll my eyes and click away. It's becoming cliche.

reply to post by Schkeptick


Oh, I wouldnt use comparison to Nazis, no no no.

I think you surpassed them already some time ago.

Does this news mean that the world isnt going to end in 2012?

The simple fact is this. Before NDAA, they still detained people without just cause. They still extradited people for silly reasons. Now they say they'll be spying through household electronics. Im sure they've already been doing that for years. Dont trust their public notifications, in most cases, its a few years delayed.

reply to post by Schkeptick


more like, "the US is like communist russia; where gulags and millions of people were murdered by their own government. Where stepping out of line meant being sent to "work"." Does that anology better suit you?

reply to post by AaronWilson


Sure, that analogy works great if you can back it up with some evidence of millions of Americans being murdered by the government or forced into work camps etc...

Don't shoot me, but I actually embrace a totalitarian, NWO state.

And actually, its about time.

Originally posted by Schkeptick

Originally posted by johncarter
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It is sad. If this nation is to be destroyed from within like the last days of rome then may it be so. If any, we truly have reached a point where the stench of our actions (yes even us ordianry shmoes voting forth these bastards) have made the world hate us like no other nation in the history of man. We have become worse then the Nazis.

This was an interesting post. Then you lost me with this gem. If you think we are currently worse than the Nazis, you need to review your world history.

But then again, as soon as anyone mentions "Nazis" as a comparison, I roll my eyes and click away. It's becoming cliche.

Look at it this way, the inclusion of a Nazi comparison is an efficient barometer to identify either a lack of historical perspective or a desire to provoke a reaction through insult.

OP, were you writing this with an eye towards literairy flair, perhaps using Nazi's as some kind of strange metaphor for something like the macro impact of invasive codfish species in Massachusetts fisheries or are you still a few credits short of graduating middle school and planning on making up world history over the summer?

I honestly believe that the U.S. needs to consider opening a student exchange program with the DPRK. We will all be waiting with baited breath for the OP to reiterate how badly the U.S. sucks upon their return.

Reductio ad Hitlerum

Reductio ad Hitlerum, also argumentum ad Hitlerum, (Latin for "reduction to" and "argument to" and dog Latin for "Hitler" respectively) is an ad hominem or ad misericordiam argument whereby an opponent's view is compared to a view that would be held by Adolf Hitler or the Nazi Party.

It is a fallacy of irrelevance, in which a conclusion is suggested based solely on something's or someone's origin rather than its current meaning. The suggested logic is one of guilt by association.

Godwin's law

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies) is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990 that has become an Internet adage.

It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."

In other words, Godwin observed that, given enough time, in any online discussion—regardless of topic or scope—someone inevitably criticizes some point made in the discussion by comparing it to beliefs held by Hitler and the Nazis.

reply to post by ButterCookie


It could be a positive in the right light, and if handled in the right way, but I just can't see it on the horizon.

First of all when setting up policies to govern the whole planet who's ideals do we follow? Different nations and cultures have different laws. Which ones do we follow? I just can't see an effective one world government happening anytime in my lifetime barring an alien invasion or some other unforeseen worldwide cataclysmic event.

I can't wait.
I have given up on any sort of revolution or hopes of averting this inevitability.
I have realized that I am not even going to be able to proudly gloat WHEN our totalitarian dictatorship arrives in full force and they come rule over us like kings. There will be no "I told you so's"

Why?

Because people will demand it!
They will love it.
They will roll around in their slavery like pigs in #.
They will long for it.

or.......

They won't even notice it in the first place!!
They will be so busy trying to feed their family and keep a roof over their heads that there will be no time
to notice their slavery especially since American Idol is getting ready to start.


I will not be living in this totolitarian society everyone is creating I can tell you that.

You all have fun creating this hell on Earth.
I want no part of it.
I will not have to live in it.

We are not "this far" from it, unless you mean "this far into it from the beginning of it, following what has already begun."

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Don't shoot me, but I actually embrace a totalitarian, NWO state.

And actually, its about time.

So, I am going to assume you are being sincere and aren't just a troll.

I think your statement, if genuine, is interesting. Can you elaborate on your statement? Why would you welcome a totalitarian NWO state? Why do you think it is overdue? What are the benefits of it vs. existing governments (not just the US, but any government)?

reply to post by Drunkenparrot

Look at it this way, the inclusion of a Nazi comparison is an efficient barometer to identify either a lack of historical perspective or a desire to provoke a reaction through insult.

There was a time when my remark would be considered an insult, and rightfully so. But times, the last decade have changed from worse to really, really bad.

Our invasion of Iraq has to this day caused the horrible deaths of around 1.2 million iraqis. It is estimated at least 50-70000 were children. Children!!! Slaughtered by our brave US soldiers and bomb pilots and the iraqi ex baath extremists in IED attacks (always civilians who pay the highest price). Who knows how many afganis have lost their lives embattling US CFR dogma the past decade? Then we have the nefarious overthrowings of socialist governments by the CIA in the past, that have cost millions of dead ppl (Chile, Argentina, a certain amount of countries in Africa and of course asia).

We have become the nightmare of nations. The biggest bullies on the school yard and also the best killers. Mercy is but an empty word, a hollow concept in our contemporary american collective mind. We speak about mercy, but we show none! If our actions in the world are to judge us, then we are, like the nazis, guilty as charged.

US soldiers in a killing spree

Executive Order NDRP

If you ask your dad or grandfather about the US in the past they could say good things about this once proud nation. Today what can one say? Can you go abroad and honestly look ppl in the eye and say we are a ntion of peace? A ppl of gentle hearts? Or are we a nation of wolves and mad dogs waiting to be unleashed upon the rest of the world by the say so of our Masters in their billion dollar mansions and yachts?

We have the coming war with Iran that will either cost several million iranian lives with initially conventional weapons and later nukes and of course, what that blood drunk Nobel Peace prize laureate in the White House, and his AIPAC friends lusts for, WW3 and probably a total annihilation of the human race. All this, American initiatives on a scale that would even make Hitler and goebel pale in comparison.

We have our Gestapo, Homeland security, we have the NSA (The american ministry of truth LOL) that now can know all things you say and who knows, one day all things you think about. No congress (if you read the article) has tried to stop them, much less the senate. We have in the near future a rpoposed convergence of all agencies under one roof which in a way will liken the old german STASI (the national security police and counterintel).

The elite is consolidating their positions in some strange cooperation with the military industrial complex that like wall street lusts for endless wars as to feed its industry to manufacture more and more weapons.
Billions are slowly being stolen from ordinary americans and no one wearing a wall street suit goes to jail!!!

What is this but a nightmare that even Orwell couldnt dream about.

How do you wake up from this spiritual death of the amercan soul? How?

You tell me...

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by johncarter

 

I am starting to think that it is more mocking contempt, rather than distrust. Like waving it in our faces and laughing because we continue take it.

I think we should be looking closely at what the other hand is doing, they're probably trying to slip something by us unnoticed while we're up in arms about this

Originally posted by Bakatono

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Don't shoot me, but I actually embrace a totalitarian, NWO state.

And actually, its about time.

So, I am going to assume you are being sincere and aren't just a troll.

I think your statement, if genuine, is interesting. Can you elaborate on your statement? Why would you welcome a totalitarian NWO state? Why do you think it is overdue? What are the benefits of it vs. existing governments (not just the US, but any government)?

Thanks, and yes I am being very honest.

(from a few posts of mine on this topic)


We are going to have to accept CHANGE in order to evolve. But the NWO is only 'evil and scary' because of the resistance to change/evolution. Think about it:

Population Control
Global currency
Global communication
Technological advancements
(slow) Eradication of religion

How else will we quit killing each other over religion, race, or different ideologies? These things, I feel, have been given a negative connotation because not every one can see the big picture.

I have pondered, analyzed, and critically thought this thing out...

The New World Order

First of all, it creates a united, one world governement in which there are no boundaries and we all become global citizens

Population is reduced. This alone reduces crime, poverty (because there is more food for less people) and more land. More land means less industrialized locations in which food can be grown and be healthier because the soil is more rich.

Police State- less crime

One World Currency- no need to convert money; more convienent

Survival of the fittest- This is where being 'aware' and educated come into play. I really do feel that for the millions of people who chose not to grab education and 'snap out' of their zombie mode, maybe they do need to stay where their at. In a New World Order, there still is a need for a slave-labor only population. Lets face it. Thats the way of the world.

Originally posted by ButterCookie
Don't shoot me, but I actually embrace a totalitarian, NWO state.

And actually, its about time.

Shoot you?

If you get your way, we won't have guns!