Assassination by Airplane?

I did a quick search on this subject before posting, so forgive me if this has been covered before - or as I introduced an earlier thread of mine, "Jackslap me if this has been asked before, but..."

This evening, my wife and I watched "Head of State" with Chris Rock. The premise of the movie is that two candidates for POTUS had died when their two airplanes collided, and a new candidate was needed - thus the Chris Rock character. That got me to thinking, being an ex-Missouri boy, of how Mel Carnahan's plane went down, and him dead. The voters of Missouri preferred to elect his widow rather than the Repugnican candidate [yeah, the mis-spelling was intentional]. You all may recall the death of the young Kennedy who was just getting started in politics, and his plane went down, and him dead also. Yup, another Democrat. There were things about that crash which pointed to conspiracy, but I'm not really up on the particulars of the Carnahan crash.

Members, do any of you know of any other such instances? On the other hand, does anyone know of any Republicans in plane crashes, or is it just Democrats?

I am not being partisan here, as I am not a Democrat. I describe myself politically as a disgusted Ex-Libertarian.

Remember JFK Jr. and Paul Wellstone?

Also, not a plane incident, but let's not forget Sonny Bono's little skiing mishap.

Yep.

And ya, I'm not aligned with any parties these days either. I'm for my neighbors, and I'm for the guy/gal working a real job.

i have always wondered about that, but its not only the politico types you forgot musicians as well... some could be accidents but all of them... odds tell me its unlikely just a thought.

Just by coincidence I was reading the other day about the "Clinton Body Count" (all the people who were killed whenever Bill Clinton decided to clean house), and I was struck by how many of them were killed in aircraft. Note that the list also contains those killed in helicopter crashes.

John F. Kennedy Jr.
"...when the Piper Saratoga II TC JFK Jr. was piloting crashed in to the ocean..."

DEAD BODYGUARDS
Maj. Gen. William Robertson,Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe
Col William Densberger,V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans
Col. Robert Kelly,V Corps Chief of Intelligence
Spec. Gary Rhodes, Crew Chief
"...Army UH-60 Blackhawk helicopter crashed in Wiesbaden, Germany..."

Five Navy aviators, Clinton bodyguards/escorts
"...E-2C Hawkeye in Italy. The crash occurred shortly after the plane was "waved off" from a landing attempt on the Carrier Roosevelt..."

Staff Sgt. Brian Haney, Clinton bodyguard
Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel, Clinton bodyguard
Maj. William Barkley, Clinton bodyguard
Capt. Scott Reynolds, Clinton bodyguard
"...helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, Va..."

Aldo Franscoia, Secret Service Agent
Cpt. Kevin N. Earnest, Aircraft Commander
Cpt. Kimberly Jo Wielhouwer, Pilot
2Lt. Benjamin T. Hall, Navigator
SSgt. Michael J. SmithJr., Loadmaster
Sr. Airman Rick L. Merritt, Flight Engineer
SSgt. Michael R. York, Loadmaster
Sr. Airman Billy R. Ogston, Crew Chief
Airman Thomas A. Stevens, Loadmaster
"...killed when the C-130 carrying the Presidential Limos crashed near Jackson Hole, Wyoming..."

Four Marine Pilots, Marine One Presidential Helicopter pilots
"...(with 15 others) in a crash of a V-22 Osprey near Tucson..."

DEAD FUNDRAISERS
C. Victor Raiser II, National Finance Co-Chairman, Clinton for President Campaign
Montgomery Raiser. Son of C. Victor Raiser II
"...both men died in a private plane crash in Alaska, en route to a fishing expedition..."

Hershell Friday, Attorney and Clinton fund raiser
"...killed when his plane exploded..."

DEAD WITNESSES
Dr. Ronald Rogers, Dentist from Arkansas
"...killed in plane crash as he was on his way to an interview with a "London Sunday Telegraph" reporter..."

COMMERCE DEPARTMENT DEATHS
Charles Meissner, Assistant Secretary of Commerce for International Economic Policy
"...Charles Meissner died on the plane with Ron Brown..."

THE 'HENRY-IVES' DEATHS
Paul Olson
"...when his plane ride home crashed, killing Paul and 130 others on Sept 8 1994..."

MISC DEATHS/NEAR MISSES
Stanley Heard, Chairman, National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee
Steve Dickson, - Counsel to Mr. Heard
"...both died in a plane crash outside Dulles airport..."

WOUNDED OR ATTEMPTED MURDER
David Drye
"...at the last second, pat had to cancel and David left without him, dying when the plane crashed..."

Keep in mind that these were only the ones killed in this particular fashion. If you're interested in the entire list (actually, not the entire list; the count isn't actually finished yet):

THE CLINTON BODY COUNT

Note that there's also an Obama body count on the Web. I saw it the other day also, but didn't mark it. Shouldn't be hard to find. You can also find an LBJ body count, and probably body counts for both Bushes....

EDIT: Sorry, I just realized you were asking specifically about political candidates. Oh, well. It's an interesting list nonetheless. I'll have a look later for politicians only. That should make a good list as well....

reply to post by Ex_CT2


No need to apologize - it's great information - thank you!

reply to post by Lazarus Short


You specifically mentioned Mel Carnahan and JFK Jr.

Thing is, when you understand aviation, and airplanes, and read the reports with that knowledge, then it is clear that both of those are just accidents. The underlying reasons for the accidents become clear.


As to the so-called "Clinton murders" that were mentioned....again, on a case-by-case basis, each can be understood, in context. That so-called "list" came about only because of right-wing political hatred for Clinton, and a desire for vendetta against him to create a straw-man list of that sort.



Dirty politics, as usual.....but not homicide, just reputation smearing-by-innuendo....



Adding: In case you're interested about Mel Carnahan and his son (and their colleague), here is the NTSB report:

Report CHI01MA011

reply to post by Ex_CT2

They dyin like flies huh? Thanks for the input.
And I thought just the Romans and Nazi's had high body counts.

I know your OP was more 'American-based', but lets not forget the Polish President *

Also, the Australian mining bosses which died in a plane crash about the same time that Kevin Rudd was going to bring in a new mining tax *

reply to post by intrptr

Like flies indeed. A lot of them are classified as "suicides," often with rather odd irregularities. Some are clearly murders; some of those "execution-style."

I suppose, as ProudBird said, that you could take them case-by-case and not find anything odd about them. And then again... not. I'll concede a few. But the man (Clinton) was involved in a L-O-T of s**t, and as such was surrounded by loose cannons and inconvenient investigators.

As far as I'm concerned, I'm satisfied that he was a criminal and an NWO stooge. If he was responsible for even one of those deaths, that's too many....

reply to post by Ex_CT2


Scanning through that list you posted, from the external source. I could comb through it item by item, because I see a lot of problems with the claims made by his enemies that Clinton was "responsible" for any of them.

It is ludicrous.

But, this is not the thread for that. And, others can do their own independent research.

I just find it amazing that people will swallow such claims without any vetting whatsoever. It smacks of extreme gullibility.

Originally posted by ProudBird



As to the so-called "Clinton murders" that were mentioned....again, on a case-by-case basis, each can be understood, in context.

The whole problem with "case-by-case" analysis is loss of context. If they are all taken together, especially with an eye to timing, patterns emerge. Case-by-case is a great tool for those who do NOT want to deny ignorance. Does it not seem strange to you that so many fund-raisers have died? It was a fairly small group of people, so statistical chance would dictate a much lower mortality rate, but statistical chance does not seems to apply to associates of the Clintons.

reply to post by Lazarus Short


If someone went to the effort to comb through a list of people who were tangentially connected to any well-known person, whether just famous, or also a politician, one could find similar such cases.

Accidents happen. And, that "Clinton" list is a ridiculous stretch, in most of the cases cited.

Just off the top of my head: The V-22 Osprey crash that (sadly) killed some Marines. That airplane had a terrible safety record. Look up the controversy surrounding it.

But to imply that Clinton had something to do with it is ludicrous beyond belief.


One more: The Commerce Secretary (Ron Brown) that died. I remember when that happened. The pilots screwed up....the screwed up an Instrument Approach in low visibility, and impacted the terrain.

Again, to imply that Clinton could somehow "reach out" across thousands of miles makes him some sort of super-human, by inference.

That list is rubbish.

reply to post by ProudBird


Yes, I'm aware of the Osprey's safety record. However, I will maintain that the "tangential" connection of some of these people may be, may be, a factor in their deaths.

I have read How to Lie With Statistics, and I know how to stasticulate.

I still think the Polish president Lech Kaczynski was assasinated from a plane crash. What ever turned up from this? BBC news

President Lech Kaczynski and scores of other senior Polish figures have been killed in a plane crash in Russia.

I like the way you think but,

Could it just be because they all travel by airplane and spend many a hours in such mode of transportation?

reply to post by Alchemst7


That crash was very suspicious, and I note that the pre-crash government was opposed to some gas deal which went to Russia's advantage, well if I remember it correctly. The post-crash government took the deal quickly. I don't think it was random.

As to assassination by airplane, it is nearly ideal, as it looks like the proverbial accident, or if you're the government, it can be made to look like an accident, at least on paper.