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You seem to have a more educated view that the vast majority of people so you might not learn much or anything from me that you don't already know but the problem is that there are all these other people who don't know anything but what they read in a single English translation.
Ideally, you should be looking at examples where the verb has two nouns associated with it, both in the nominative case; as in John, it is preceded both by LOGOS and by SARX.
It would appear, on the face of it, that LOGOS is the subject of both verbs in that sentence, viz. the EGENETO and the following ESKENOSAN (dwelt).
Any proposed new translation has got to account for that arrangement.
Incidentally, the commentators that I've seen tend to interpret that "became" not so much as a change into something new, but more as an addition. One might say that John Kennedy became President without ceasing to be John Kennedy, and that's how they would understand it.
What exactly are you trying to prove to us regarding this statement in John's gospel ?
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Azadok
What exactly are you trying to prove to us regarding this statement in John's gospel ?
I don't expect to be able to prove anything.
I want to eventually present my argument that saying slogans about Jesus being the word is counterproductive and that this is not the main point of the Gospel but that Jesus is the name of God. The word is there, but the word was with God, as in God as a material human being. The word was what was coming out of his mouth as he spoke.
The fine line is not to be drawn between Jesus and the Word, but between Jesus and God. Where is the distinction between them?edit on 25-2-2012 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)
Perhaps hes refering to "an image" of God... perfected?
Do you plan to look at other forms of the verb?
I've got an old lexicon with a massive entry on the verb GINOMAI, so I might be calling on its services later in the discussion.
. . . I don't really believe we need to know the name of God...
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Akragon
. . . I don't really believe we need to know the name of God...
Right, I agree with you, that we need to know the son, and why the NT just calls Him God, and the Father of Jesus. The name we are given is the name of his Son through whom we see God.