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Originally posted by RandalFlagg
They want to bring in a NWO were all the people are slaves and view the elite as gods!
Originally posted by TheCelestialHuman
reply to post by network dude
The Illuminati date all the way back to Pythagoras in about 495 b.c.
I would say that is way before the freemasons
Originally posted by glen200376
so according to you the 'old world order' had nothing to do with the freemasons,as they were started by the 'new world order' who want everyone to be equal(i.e. slave workers i think).your theory sounds like propaganda.oh and thanks for the heads up about your other threads,i will avoid them like the plague.
Originally posted by trust_no_one
reply to post by Slavich
so do the Illuminati still exist and are at battle with the freemasons who are now corrupted in the old world order? and both are competing to establish a New World Order (more Illuminati) and a One World Government (freemason)
i thought masons had connections back to the knights templars? or is that just for their knowledge which Illuminati have as well?
Originally posted by TheCelestialHuman
This is the Old World Order-- armageddonconspiracy.co.uk...
The Illuminati wants to put a stop to this and establish a New World Order
Who has all the power in the world? The People? The elected representatives of the People? Or is it the banks, corporations, bond markets, dynastic families, hereditary monarchs and the super rich?
Answer? - FOLLOW THE MONEY. The flow of money is the flow of power. Dollars are the amoral units of power and are overwhelmingly held by the amoral (or indeed immoral) super rich. The closer you are to the money flow, the more you can divert into your own pockets, hence the incredible wealth of bankers. The further you are from the flow, the poorer you are. The public good, merit, morality, fairness, justice and rationality play no part at all in the money flow.
The more dollars you have, the more powerful you are. The fewer you have, the more you become invisible. No one sees you and no one listens to you. You are "power deficient", hence irrelevant. Isn't it time to be seen and heard? Isn't it time for the public good and General Will rather than the private good (of the rich) and Particular Will (of the rich) to shape the power equation and dictate the money flow?
Money is a "proximity phenomenon" - the closer you are to its source, to its flow, the better. So, the rich ENSURE they are in closest proximity, while the ordinary people find themselves very far away. Those who are furthest of all from the money require State hand-outs, charity or must beg. They are held in almost universal contempt, yet their central problem is nothing but being too far from the money flow, and that can happen for all sorts of reasons. African Americans, for example, have never been allowed near the money in any significant numbers, hence have never stood a chance. Jews, on the other hand, went out of their way to be close to the money, and succeeded spectacularly. Most of all, the rich CONTROL who gets near the money. You are permitted to come close only if you're a member of their privileged cartel. The whole system is rigged against you. In a free world, the People, not the rich, not the Zionists and WASP Freemasons, must be in charge of who has proximity to the money.
Originally posted by trust_no_one
reply to post by Slavich
so do the Illuminati still exist and are at battle with the freemasons who are now corrupted in the old world order? and both are competing to establish a New World Order (more Illuminati) and a One World Government (freemason)
i thought masons had connections back to the knights templars? or is that just for their knowledge which Illuminati have as well?
Originally posted by Slavich
Originally posted by trust_no_one
reply to post by Slavich
so do the Illuminati still exist and are at battle with the freemasons who are now corrupted in the old world order? and both are competing to establish a New World Order (more Illuminati) and a One World Government (freemason)
i thought masons had connections back to the knights templars? or is that just for their knowledge which Illuminati have as well?
Masons connections with the old templar is a stretch. Masons are connected to the Illuminati and the Illuminati are connected to the knights templar. As far as free masons vs Illuminati. Nah. It isn't like that. Some Free masons have stuck to the original game plan, but most have been perverted by greed and money. (The ultimate powers of the old world order). And the new world order is simply another name for a system of government that will eventually replace the current old world order system based around control and power. The New world order would be based around equality and peace.
Originally posted by glen200376
so according to you the 'old world order' had nothing to do with the freemasons,as they were started by the 'new world order' who want everyone to be equal(i.e. slave workers i think).your theory sounds like propaganda.oh and thanks for the heads up about your other threads,i will avoid them like the plague.