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mad scientist
The Clinton administration was well known for its refusal to spend money on new weapons. President Clinton reduced the number of aircraft carriers, cut Army divisions, retired whole Air Force squadrons and did not field one major weapon system during the entire 1990s.
You forgot the efforts of McDonnel Douglas and the US Navy, does that make the McDonnel Douglas Corporation and the US Navy a complicent group of Traitors too?
mad scientistHowever, there is one missile success story that can be directly attributed to the tireless efforts of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. This fantastic missile would not be in active service today if it were not for the personal efforts of Bill and Al.
newsmax
Russian, U.S. Navy and McDonnell Douglas engineers conducted a series of "P3I" or "pre-planned product improvements" to the Russian weapon, extending its range from 15 to 42 miles, and allowing pilots to safely fire the weapon without killing themselves.
American Mad Man
... should be tried as a traitor and executed.
Then it was originally designed and built during the Reagan/Bush years.
mad scientistUnfortunately, the missile is made in Russia.
The Russian air force has announced that it will soon field the improved Kh-31 rocket-ramjet missile. The Kh-31PM, known to NATO as the AS-17A Krypton, is designed to attack U.S.-made radars used by Patriot air defense sites and Aegis warships. The titanium Kh-31 was built in 1988
mad scientist
The PM also incorporates into its design virtually all of the improvements suggested by a team of U.S. military engineers who worked on the Krypton during the Clinton years.
American Mad Man
... should be tried as a traitor and executed.
Originally posted by drfunk
there was no need and is no need for the US military to be so large in today's environment. Clinton was just trying to put the balance sheet in check . Now today with those great republicans you like spending our (the rest of the world) money on your weapons because you can't afford it .
The latest tank or aircraft isn't going to stop terrorism.
Oh well I spose you guys will protect me if we're threatened.
[edit on 11-9-2004 by drfunk]
Originally posted by drfunk
mad scientist,
you are thinking in conventional warfare terms this is a mistake many americans make. You can't fight 'terrorism' with armies, it is not a military movement it is an idea. They see themselves as freedom fighters protecting their god and people. The more you fight with weapons, invade other countries and violate the civilians there the more popular the movement becomes in these nations which supports their cause, therefore you see more terrorists.
How can you fight terrorism with an abrams?? how can you stop a person armed not with weapons but with ideas entering the US and working from there? you can't do it with an F-22 Raptor, a MOAB or a USS Enterprise. it's an impossible task. The rich are getting richer by dealing with terrorism the wrong way.
You just can't fight it with an army. What needs to be focused on is understanding between eachother and working out peaceful and viable solutions. The US treats the people of the middle-east well and doesn't insult/violate/exploit or act morally and socially superior to them and there is no problem.
These people conceive the US as a great threat and it's because of the way the US govt and US corporations have handled the middle east for the past 50 years.
thanks,
drfunk
Originally posted by plasmamorph
Truth
Whatever technologies occured, including the nuclear, and space, came from the Russians. Nothing matches them. US cannot help Russia to devellop any missile.
The Russian missile that do the job of 4 km in 9 seconds.. these American most hitech missiles do this job in 15 seconds.
Clinton might have helped, but not sharing of the technology. Or this news might be spread by the opposition parties.
Originally posted by American Mad Man
Jesus, first he sells nuclear secrets for reelection money, and now this.
He should be tried as a traitor and executed.
Originally posted by Loki
Maybe it's as bad as making an entire indigenous people suffer for the actions of their leaders. (Afghanistan/Taliban)
Originally posted by ludaChris
I know this is off topic but it was brought up earlier. The US Army being overstretched, not true. The US has a total of about what, 140,000 troops in Iraq, all of which are not army, but Marines, Airforce, and Navy as well.
The Statement that we are overstretched just isnt true.
US Military Personnel
-these numbers do not include reserves, of which the US has around 800,000.
The USA has close to 1,000,000 men in uniform.
But only about 150,000 of those are army combat troops.
The rest is either Airforce, Navy or support, airdefense, heavy artilery and similar units, not much of a use against insurgents.
There's 150,000 combat troops, and there is 170,000 troops in Iraq. Lets make a guess what the National guards are doing there...
Some troops of the 82nd are already on their FOURTH tour in either Iraq or Afganistan.
Don't tell me that the army isn't stretched.
Originally posted by mad scientist
The Clinton administration was well known for its refusal to spend money on new weapons. President Clinton reduced the number of aircraft carriers, cut Army divisions, retired whole Air Force squadrons and did not field one major weapon system during the entire 1990s.
However, there is one missile success story that can be directly attributed to the tireless efforts of Bill Clinton and Al Gore. This fantastic missile would not be in active service today if it were not for the personal efforts of Bill and Al.
Unfortunately, the missile is made in Russia.
The Russian air force has announced that it will soon field the improved Kh-31 rocket-ramjet missile. The Kh-31PM, known to NATO as the AS-17A Krypton, is designed to attack U.S.-made radars used by Patriot air defense sites and Aegis warships.
The titanium Kh-31 was built in 1988 by the Russian Zvezda-Strela State Science and Production Center for the former Soviet Union. The PM version of the Krypton missile offers extended range and features improved passive seeker electronics, enabling it to pick up a wide range of radar targets.
The PM also incorporates into its design virtually all of the improvements suggested by a team of U.S. military engineers who worked on the Krypton during the Clinton years.
newsmax.com...
Originally posted by longjohn
Excuse me for saying, but this article is complete nonsense.
Newsmax is NOT a reliable source!!!
Being a part of NATO in the years mentioned I know that all the Clinton administration did was buy a few old age "Moskit" missiles to be used as target drones for the newly missile defense systems.
The picture shown is a fake, an F-4 CAN NOT launch a moskit, its far to big.
Never, ever, did the USA get its hands on a working version of the newer (Yakhont) missile and never, ever did US technicians cooperate with either Chinese or Russian technicians to improve the missile.
WorldNetDaily has covered the U.S. Navy Ma-31 program, a target version of the Zvezda Kh-31A, NATO code-named AS-17 Krypton, supersonic missile. The sales of the Ma-31 to the U.S. Boeing Company are part of an ongoing deal between Boeing and Zvezda-Strela State Scientific-Industrial Center to deliver 2000 Ma-31 missiles over a 10-year period.
The Zvezda Ma-31 is not related to the SS-N-22 Sunburn, which is made by the Raduga Machine Design Bureau in Russia. According to official U.S. Navy sources, the 1,100-pound Ma-31 does not replicate the massive 9,920-pound Sunburn. According to official U.S. Navy statements, the Ma-31 missile can fly "only 16 miles on the deck" and cannot duplicate the Sunburn's performance of over 50 miles at low level.
www.worldnetdaily.com...
China and Russia are scheduled to sign a major arms deal worth billions to the ailing Russian defense industry, including the joint missile production agreement. Russia currently sells a target drone version of the same Zvezda missile to the United States Navy, called the MA-31...
...A photograph first published by WorldNetDaily on Jan. 4, 2000 shows a U.S. Navy F-4 firing a target drone MA-31 missile during recent tests. The Zvezda MA-31 missile tested by the U.S. Navy is officially reported to have a 16-mile range. The missile being sold to China is reported to have a range of 125 miles -- over seven times farther than the missiles sold to America.
Navy officials confirmed for WorldNetDaily that they are working with American defense contractor Boeing McDonnell Douglas to extend the range of the Zvezda MA-31 target missiles.
www.worldnetdaily.com...