My Sincere Apology to the People of Iran (cuz we're about to destroy you)

I'm not a knee jerk pacifist. War is hell. War is a racket. But sometimes war is necessary.

We need a way to determine whether war is necessary or not. It seems like an impossible task to make a decision like that, a decision that is true in the most objective sense. Fortunately I don't have to figure out how to do it. That job was already handled by a much smarter guy than I'll ever be, General Smedley Butler of the US Marines, two time Congressional Medal of Honor winner.

Author of War is a Racket. (Available online for free. Try to get the unedited edition.)

Butler's idea for avoiding unecessary wars is this: Draft everybody.

When the nation goes to war, everybody, including corporations, are drafted. Including corporations.

This means that corporations, like Haliburton or Kellogg Brown Root work for costs.

This takes the profit motive out of war and take the unecessary out of war.

Thankyou General Butler.

Come on America, lay off the Iranians. This type of stuff is making you look so bad.

ITT:

People that think America is going to attack Iran when Russia and China have stated they will -flat out go to all out war- if we do.

Not gonna happen.

Originally posted by Furbs
ITT:
People that think America is going to attack Iran when Russia and China have stated they will -flat out go to all out war- if we do.Not gonna happen.

Foolsih mortal, Iran is just the pretext to World War. Don't you understand that War with Red China is exactly what the masters of puppets desire? That's the easiest way to get out of their debt to them. All for the freedom of the chinese people of course. ~SheopleNation

This makes me sick! You are groveling to a regime that stones women to death for almost anything, Case in point:
Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, 44, was convicted back in 2006 for an “illicit relationship outside of marriage” and sentenced to death by stoning. But because of the backlash from "evil" countries like the USA they decided to hang her instead! (real nice guys you are apologizing to!)
did you forget the hostage crisis?
As far as I'm concerned you are simply going along with whatever Iran tells the world, if you love them so much why don't you move there? You could do a lot more groveling and apologizing in person, that is until they grab you, stick you in a hole and stone you to death!
Don't give me that left wing crap about "it's the leaders, not the people" if you think that I suggest you look for the video (very graphic) where they stone 2 men and one woman (someone risked their life to record it with a phone). While you watch it look at the glee in the 'ordinary' folks throwing the rocks!
If there is any sabre rattling it is coming from Iran, they are threatening to close off international waterway (to stop oil exports).
No, Iran wants a war just like Hussein did, and like him they underestimate the power of our military!

Originally posted by Furbs
ITT:

People that think America is going to attack Iran when Russia and China have stated they will -flat out go to all out war- if we do.

Not gonna happen.

I hope you are right

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If I could jump in here for just a second. I would like to say that while I am not saying that Iran is perfect at all, after reading your last post it's very clear that you're very misled about World Events, and that you have clearly fallin prey to the mass-media brainwashing that has been repeated by media tycoons for years and years now.

Did you bother to even read my post above? There is your answer to the Iran question, so quit pretending that you didn't. Iran means nothing, and China is everything. Who the hell has Iran attacked since the Persian Empire fell, Iraq? Actually no, not at all. It was Iraq who invaded Iran. We gave them the ok actually. Iran is a beautiful country, have you ever seen it? It's much more than a desert like Iraq. It's full of beautiful people, beautiful mountain ranges, rivers and valleys. I have never met a Persian I didn't like.

They are very good people. Course, I know that there are good and bad in all. I just don't want to see the Iranian peoples nation destroyed because of what might happen. Did we threaten to destroy Russia, China, North korea or Pakistan when we knew that they had nukes? No, we didn't. Now why is that exactly? Is the western coast of the United States or our allies in Japan's safety less important than those in range of Iran's missles?

Let me ask you a question my friend. Do you stand for the truth? Or do you stand for propaganda and lies that have been spreaded by the international mass media who are owned by the International Banksters? And you better get over that left vs. Right thing, because that was set up in order to keep the stupid sheople herded and squabbling with one another. I know, because I was once like you. I assure you of this, I was more far right-wing than you probably ever have been.

Know what I am now? I am an Independent Conservative. Which is the best thing that could ever happen to Conservatives. Yes, I will vote for Ron Paul under the GOP, but I am a true Conservative, not some sell out liberal Republican like Newt Gingrich or that bottomfeeder Lindsey Graham. If you support any other GOP canidate, then you're an International Socialist. Wake up to the truth.

You better wake up, and wake up fast. If Iran's nukes are truly a danger, and I imagine that they very well could be, then Israel or other Nations better stand up on their own and deal with them. The United States of America is about to elect Ron Paul as our new President and America needs to take care of herself right now, as long as another World War doesn't start. America is done policing the world all by itself. America is done bankrupting itself so it can claim to have the biggest belt buckle on the block. Yes we will support our allies, but you have to understand that if the lunatics who control her right now are not thrown out of office, it could be the end of us just as it was the end of The Roman Empire. You hear that Lindsey Graham? It's about America at home now! ~SheopleNation

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Exactly at what point does the meddling of the internal affairs of another country, resulting in the close but not acted out coup / civil war, not justify a reaction? I ask this because people suggest that is allowable based on the actions of the US.

Or is the double standard only allowed when the US is involved?

Before you lay the complete blame at the door of Iraq, which did in fact invade Iran, you should not be so quick to dismiss history and the actions of Iran in the internal issue of Iraq.

Like what they are doing now...

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Why would you assume that I dismiss anything that Iran has done, including the taking of U.S Hostages? I stated that Iran has not engaged in an invasion of another Nation since it's Persian Empire roots, that's it. I also stated that there are many other nations who can deal with the Iranian problem other than the U.S who needs to focus on herself and the growing dangers of the Red Chinese and their puppet state North Korea.

Listen, I apologize if me being a realist instead of a media brainwashed yes man slave offends you. At the same time, if my historical accuracy contradicts your obvious distorted agenda, than the only thing I can honestly say now is you have no other choice but to deal with it. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by SheopleNation
Listen, I apologize if me being a realist instead of a media brainwashed yes man slave offends you. At the same time, if my historical accuracy contradicts your obvious distorted agenda, than the only thing I can honestly say now is you have no other choice but to deal with it.

~SheopleNation

Would you prefer the heil Hitler response to your comment or?

Just because you dont see military maneuvers or the media reporting on captured territory doesn't mean a war is not taking place. Just because one country invades another does not always mean they are in fact the agressor, as we see with Iran and IRaq.

The headnod of acknowledgment followed up with the dismissal and obfuscation....the media brainwashed comments come close to the brilliance that Goebbels himself would have been proud of. To bad we know how that game is played, so your insinuation is neither clever nor accurate and only solidifies the view that your ability to play the propaganda game is fail because your blind to the fact that your own methods, which you think are clever, are in fact old and as transparent as air on a clam day.

Originally posted by SheopleNation

Originally posted by Furbs
ITT:
People that think America is going to attack Iran when Russia and China have stated they will -flat out go to all out war- if we do.Not gonna happen.

Foolsih mortal, Iran is just the pretext to World War. Don't you understand that War with Red China is exactly what the masters of puppets desire? That's the easiest way to get out of their debt to them. All for the freedom of the chinese people of course. ~SheopleNation

There is some truth to this statement. Destruction of Russia and total Submission of China is very high on the list of the AngloSaxons and Nato-NeoCons. Infact, AngloSaxons have wanted Russia to be broken up and all the way from 19th century onwards. If Russia is attacked now, then we are talking its first response being the nukes both near and far given the shambled state of their conventional forces. NeoCons have already declared the '21st as the New American Century'. For this to happen they need the 'total dominence' of the Central Asia resource rich region which encompasses both Russia and China.

You are not going to destroy anyone.

Dude, half of NASA is Iranian. How come you are threatening Iranian people?

Not a smart move.

And to the X guy above me, way to make someone out as a nazi, straight from the Zionist handbook. My guess is you are pro-Zionist to the point of shilling, am I anywhere in the ballpark?

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Wow, what a suprise. Where did that come from? You must be one of those race-baiters who call Ron Paul a racist? Hey my misled robot minded slave, why don't you explain to us all what Hitler has to do with any of this? Did someone mention Him or the third reich lately? Or maybe it's the saucer as my signature? Well, calm down now. The saucer has nothing to do with your warped world of politics. Well, other than the prior funding. That's another subject though.

Let's get back to more serious discussions shall we? Exactly what is your problem with what I have said? Instead of making accusations or assumptions, why not try having an actual debate where you and I discuss the areas and subjects that you seem to believe that we contradict eachother? Calm down, take a deep breath, and forget about your pre-conceived notions, as well as Fox News or C.ommunist N.ews N.etworks latest propaganda.

~SheopleNation

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I'm not going to reply to each point you wanted me too as Xcathdra pretty much summed it up!
I do however find it hard to believe you are in ANY way connected to conservative beliefs, they may not be as far left as Obama but you are sure thinking like a liberal, and you call me some sort of a Socialist? Wow, I'm not happy with the 2-party system but what can we do? Independents come along hoping to changed things and all that does is split the parties insuring the wrong person will be elected.
I don't know if you ever served in the military or not but if you look at some of my posts you will see that I was a pilot in 'nam and sure, some of Nam is pretty and the people are nice but the bombs our aircraft dropped was on people that skinned and buried prisoners alive (among other things). Did we get them all? Not even by a narrow margin.. and just to let you know, the feelings in my group was LBJ was the reason we were there!
So what do you think of the people stoning the people in the video I mentioned?
And as far as arming Iran to fight Iraq, didn't you ever hear the saying "the enemy of my enemy is my friend!"
You think I am blind to what goes on in the PTB? I am willing to bet I know a lot of inside stuff that happened and I might not agree but that's the way it's done: In 1980 I was working as an engineer in an aerospace company and my boss introduced me to a guy that wanted me to repair parts of old F-86 Saber Jet wings that had been cut off with a torch, after I got to know him he told me why we were doing this. He said he bought and sold outdated fighter planes and either re-sold them or scrapped them. Well he had just bought a bunch of Saber Jets from Germany and since he had no buyers he started scrapping them. Then he gets a call from a very high up person (didn't say who) from Korea that said he wanted to buy ANY flyable examples of fighter jets he could get his hands on, he asked why Korea wanted them (he figured target tugs) but was informed that someone in the US government said Iran wanted them and the US was not involved and knew nothing about it (if you get my drift). Everything changed before most of the planes were delivered. So you see, I do know these things happen as I was involved with it.
I also am privy to the failed raid that Carter put together to try to free the hostages, it would blow your mind if you knew the truth about that raid and what would have happened if the people involved hadn't screwed it up.
Okay, I've said enough.. you know where I stand.... we might not live in a perfect country but I will fight for it over any of tyrants that hate us!

Originally posted by InfoKartel
You are not going to destroy anyone.

Dude, half of NASA is Iranian. How come you are threatening Iranian people?

Not a smart move.

And to the X guy above me, way to make someone out as a nazi, straight from the Zionist handbook. My guess is you are pro-Zionist to the point of shilling, am I anywhere in the ballpark?

Are you on drugs? You sure need medication or a shrink if your not!

reply to post by victor7


Victor, Appreciate the response my friend. Remember this though, The Anglo Saxons are controlled by the Neo-Con Nato Alliance. They are nothing but puppets now because the international bankster cartel rules most of the Western World. The puppet masters want China, and they have many different reasons why, but preventing America's international bankruptcy is the number 1 reason, not to mention it's do or die for the dollar, and the West in regards to Red China in the future.

With that being said, Let's not leave out the fact that Red China has their own ambitions, and those are not in the interests of The United States of Americas. This entire Middle east thing for the last 20 years has been about the black war for Resources with Russia, but mainly Red China. North Korea now has a young buck who could set it all off anytime now.

If Russia is smart, they will realize that the minute that America ceases to exist, Red China will put their eyes and war machine towards their vast resources of Oil, Timber and minerals. Russia should finally realize that America is the best friend that they have ever had. If not for America, Germany and Japan would have conquered Russia and Red China. Great post though bro. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by wulff

Originally posted by InfoKartel
You are not going to destroy anyone.

Dude, half of NASA is Iranian. How come you are threatening Iranian people?

Not a smart move.

And to the X guy above me, way to make someone out as a nazi, straight from the Zionist handbook. My guess is you are pro-Zionist to the point of shilling, am I anywhere in the ballpark?

Are you on drugs? You sure need medication or a shrink if your not!

Half is an exaggeration I will admit, just trying to get a point across(which went over your head obviously). However you seem to be somewhat ill-informed. Besides, as an intellectual I do not care for your petty opinion of me as I know you do not possess the intelligence(through superficial analyzing of the pattern with which you type) to challenge the point I make. Take what I typed as a friendly gift of information and do with it as you wish, rest assured you are more prone to insanity than I am(again, typing pattern). So don't forget those pills

reply to post by wulff


wulff, Calm down my friend, I was only inserting my opinion into the discussion. I don't believe that your reply before was to me, look back at it. As far as your friends response, if you support that, then everything you just said should be thrown out the window because prior to you saying that, you were making alot of sense, unlike your pal, who sounds like the typical race-baiting line of red diaper doper baby bullcrap. What does race has to do with any of this is beyond my understanding? Then again, that's what Liberals, along with the Liberal republicans (like they recently did to Ron Paul) like to do. I'll get back to yuh though, gotta eat bro. ~SheopleNation

Originally posted by InfoKartel

Originally posted by wulff

Originally posted by InfoKartel
You are not going to destroy anyone.

Dude, half of NASA is Iranian. How come you are threatening Iranian people?

Not a smart move.

And to the X guy above me, way to make someone out as a nazi, straight from the Zionist handbook. My guess is you are pro-Zionist to the point of shilling, am I anywhere in the ballpark?

Are you on drugs? You sure need medication or a shrink if your not!

Half is an exaggeration I will admit, just trying to get a point across(which went over your head obviously). However you seem to be somewhat ill-informed. Besides, as an intellectual I do not care for your petty opinion of me as I know you do not possess the intelligence(through superficial analyzing of the pattern with which you type) to challenge the point I make. Take what I typed as a friendly gift of information and do with it as you wish, rest assured you are more prone to insanity than I am(again, typing pattern). So don't forget those pills

You need help my friend, yeah you really seem like you are super intelligent (oh, I can tell that by your typing pattern!).
You should stop before you make a complete fool of yourself!

Originally posted by SheopleNation
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wulff, Calm down my friend, I was only inserting my opinion into the discussion. I don't believe that your reply before was to me, look back at it. As far as your friends response, if you support that, then everything you just said should be thrown out the window because prior to you saying that, you were making alot of sense, unlike your pal, who sounds like the typical race-baiting line of red diaper doper baby bullcrap. What does race has to do with any of this is beyond my understanding? Then again, that's what Liberals, along with the Liberal republicans (like they recently did to Ron Paul) like to do. I'll get back to yuh though, gotta eat bro. ~SheopleNation

You were right, my post wasn't to you and I am embarrassed to say I didn't read your post until you wrote! LOL!
Okay, I'm calm LOL! And I do have adult ADD and tend to ramble!
Have a good dinner, oh R.P.. is who I plan on voting for (if he gets past the gauntlet)!

reply to post by wulff


I need help? You dropped bombs on people and I need help...

Yeah that is totally sound logic.

Let me guess, you were on meds/drugs for a long time...and you are telling me I need help...

Byebye.