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Originally posted by Pap1148
reply to post by empireoflizards
You almost nailed it and I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Iran nationalized there oil because the British were stealing it. The British got Roosevelt to join them and the Cia was sent in to coup a Democratically elected Iranian government. The Shaw was installed by the Cia and was not real nice to the Iranians. Iranians got smart and kicked his A out and held our embassy hostage. It was all about oil to start with.
Now if you tie this to a you tube video on Fora with a speech by Wesley Clark you will see where we are today.
Wish I could place the you tube video here, but not that computer savy. Maybe another member can catch up on accomplishing that.?
Originally posted by davcwebb
Iran will soon flex its full capabilities in the coming weeks and months ahead. They could bring the world to our knees in the process. Our exit from Iraq will leave a vacuum so vast that their rise will be easy, immense, exponential, warring, and fatal. One Iranian naval blockade, or *real* threat of one, in the Straight of Hormuz, will create an economic disaster for the world overnight. They've already started their naval "war games" in the vicinity as a warning of their growing strength in the region. Oil could rise over $150 - $175/barrell in one day if they decide to shut Hormuz down. That will absolutely cause economic global chaos. Moreover, it's well known they want to wipe Israel (and all Jews) off the globe. One Iranian launch of a tactical nuclear warhead in Jeruseluem and WWIII will be set in motion. I agree, there are innocents in Iran; as in the US. I fear for for all of us. I concede that our governments, unfortunately, dictate foreign policy regardless of their peoples' voice. I'm also afraid Iran holds the keys in the coming future as our response will be reactionary only. Their lives, as you suggest, are most certainly in the hands of our honed war machine. I hope I'm wrong...
IN OTHER WORDS...
Because the death toll of allied troops involved in an invasion of mainland Japan would have been to great otherwise. Anyone who knows history knows this. You obviously don't research facts before making statements. Those bombs saved allied lives.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by hawkiye
By extension then arent the Iranian people responsible for who they elected as their leaders then?
Originally posted by Ray1850
Move the # out of the US if its so bad.
Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by Wolfenz
And America hasn't been doing the Same ? even more so ! Question!!!!!!
2 wrongs = 1 right?
Come on now. Everyone can see the pressure building with Iran, but stop acting like America is the only country in the world using dirty tactics.
Jeez.
I'm not even American. But this idea that America is the only bully country out in the world is ludicrous. There are numbers of countries that would do the same or worse to west if given the chance.
Iran has been funding militant groups for awhile now. I am not saying whether they are right or wrong in their activities, just pointing out that they are not innocent in the matter. Their people have protested, and they have lost. They need to stand up and ask for change in their country, as do many others do...
And America hasn't been doing the Same ? even more so ! Question!!!!!!
Description English: Standard of Cyrus the Great, founder of the Achaemenid Empire. Called the: Derafsh-e Shahbaz-e-Talayi or the 'Golden Falcon'. The standard is described by Xenophon in Cyropaedia (Book VII, C.1) as: "...and the word went down the lines, "Eyes on the standard and steady marching!". The standard was a golden eagle, with outspread wings, borne aloft on a long spear-shaft, and to this day such is the standard of the Persian king." (however here he is describing Artaxerxes II's standard at Cunaxa).
AKA Iran
The Achaemenid Empire used a stylized falcon on its vexilloid
Originally posted by VreemdeVlieendeVoorwep
Because the death toll of allied troops involved in an invasion of mainland Japan would have been to great otherwise. Anyone who knows history knows this. You obviously don't research facts before making statements. Those bombs saved allied lives.
Yes, it did save allied lives, and destroyed many many Japanese lives. How many innocents were killed? Is it right to just call those casualties "casualties of war"??
Also, don't be so judgemental mate, i do know my history rather well. I find it ironic how America tries to rid the world of nuclear weapons, yet, they have massive stockpiles of nukes themselves, and further, they are the only country ever to have used a nuclear weapon on another country.
Yet you see no one going after America to try and rid them of their stockpiles.
I am sorry, but the leaders of America seems just as unstable, if not more unstable that the "terrorists" and "dictators" that they are hunting.
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The corporate media have been given their orders to throw the focus back on to Iran. Here is a recap of what they are trying to make you forget.
Last Spring, Rose Gottemoeller, an assistant secretary of state and Washington's chief nuclear arms negotiator, asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Israel refused.
The United Nations passed a resolution calling on Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
The IAEA asked Israel to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and to submit to inspections. Israel refused.
Iran's formal notification to the IAEA of the planned construction of the backup fuel-rod facility underscores that Iran is playing by the rules of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty which Iran has signed. Iran allows IAEA inspections of all its facilities.
Contrary to face-saving claims, it appears that the US and Israel were both caught off guard by Iran's announcement. The reasoning is simple. Had the US or Israel announced the existence of he new facility before Iran's notified the IAEA, it would have put Iran on the defensive. As it is now, the US and Israel seem to be playing catch up, casting doubt on the veracity of Israel's claims to "know" that Iran is a nuclear threat.
The IAEA and all 16 United States Intelligence Agencies are unanimous in agreement that Iran is not building and does not possess nuclear weapons.
In 1986, Mordachai Vanunu blew the whistle and provided photographs showing Israel's clandestine nuclear weapons factory underneath the reactor at Dimona.
Israel made the same accusations against Iraq that it is making against Iran, leading up to Israel's bombing of the power station at Osirik. Following the invasion of 2003, international experts examined the ruins of the power station at Osirik and found no evidence of a clandestine weapons factory in the rubble.
The United Nations has just released the Goldstone Report, a scathing report which accuses Israel of 37 specific war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza earlier this year. Israel has denounced the report as "Anti-Semitic (even though Judge Goldstone is himself Jewish), and the United States will block the report from being referred to the War Crimes Tribunal at the Hague, thereby making the US Government an accessory after-the-fact.
We all need to be Joe Wilson right now. We need to stand up and scream, "LIAR!" at every politician and every talking media moron that is pushing this war in Iran. And we need to keep dong it until they get the message that we will not be deceived any more.
Israel wants to send your kids off to die in Iran, and YOU are the only one that can stop them. whatreallyhappened.com...
Don't forget that 6 Jewish Owned Companies Own 96% of the World’s Media. www.abovetopsecret.com... The proof is in the pudding, as they say.