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Originally posted by frankensence
The reason why it would blowback aren't hard to see: American expected a lot in return - oil and gas leases, American infrastructure taking over their oil exports, CIA taking over their poppy fields, our pipeline rammed down their throats...
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Originally posted by frankensence
The reason why it would blowback aren't hard to see: American expected a lot in return - oil and gas leases, American infrastructure taking over their oil exports, CIA taking over their poppy fields, our pipeline rammed down their throats...
Meanwhile back at the Ranch and Reality....
After years of war, there still arnt any "Oil and or Gas leases" in Afghnistan becuase they have no oil. Not only that, but the "Oil Pipeline" hasnt materialized either.
China’s National Petroleum Corporation became the first foreign company to tap into Afghanistan’s vast oil and gas reserves. Chinese officials have estimated that the deal could be worth at least $700 million, but some say China could earn up to 10 times that.
As the war in Afghanistan unfolds, there is frantic diplomatic activity to ensure that any post-Taliban government will be both democratic and pro-West. Hidden in this explosive geo-political equation is the sensitive issue of securing control and export of the region's vast oil and gas reserves. The Soviets estimated Afghanistan's proven and probable natural gas reserves at 5 trillion cubic feet - enough for the United Kingdom's requirement for two years - but this remains largely untapped because of the country's civil war and poor pipeline infrastructure.
“Afghanistan is entering onto the world stage with regards to hydrocarbon extraction, and the major players are taking notice,” Wahidullah said, adding the country had 16 tcf of gas reserves and 600 million bbl of condensate.
Wahidullah’s figures are based on a 2006 study by the US Geological Survey that estimated Afghanistan’s mean undiscovered resources at 15.7 tcf of gas, 1.6 billion bbl of oil, and 562 million bbl of natural gas liquids (OGJ Online, Mar. 27, 2006).
"US influence and military presence in Afghanistan and the Central Asian states, not unlike that over the oil-rich Gulf states, would be a major strategic gain," said V R Raghavan, a strategic analyst and former general in the Indian army. Raghavan believes that the prospect of a western military presence in a region extending from Turkey to Tajikistan could not have escaped strategists who are now readying a military campaign aimed at changing the political order in Afghanistan, accused by the United States of harboring Osama bin Laden.
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
Your history is actually incorrect despite you sounding like you might actually know what your talking about.
For starter’s the “Tim Osman” clam has been thoroughly debunked the source of that document has been heavily criticised and is not credible, in any case it is one line in a highly questionable document vs hundreds of thousands that say otherwise.
Brzezinski, known for his hardline policies on the Soviet Union, initiated in 1979 a campaign supporting mujaheddin in Pakistan and Afghanistan, which were run by Pakistani security services with financial support from the Central Intelligence Agency and Britain's MI6. Part of the CIA program was led by its elite Special Activities Division and included the arming, training and leading of Afghanistan's mujahideen.[30] This policy had the explicit aim of promoting radical Islamist and anti-Communist forces to overthrow the secular communist People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan government in Afghanistan, which had been destabilized by coup attempts against Hafizullah Amin, the power struggle within the Soviet-supported Parcham faction of the PDPA and a subsequent Soviet military intervention.
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.
Freedom Fighters: Taliban
What Rashid points out is that the core, founding leadership of the Taliban did indeed form part of the anti-Soviet mujahidin struggle. In particular:
- Mullah Omar
- Mullah Mohammed Hassan Rehmani, the former Taliban Governor of Kandahar, “a founder member of the Taliban…considered to be number two in the movement to his old friend Mullah Omar”
- Mohammed Ghaus, former Foreign Minister
- Nuruddin Turabi, former Justice Minister
- Abdul Majid, former Mayor of Kabul
- and to that list we can add, Mawlawi Jalaluddin Haqqani, much in the news lately.
There's no way to deny the Taliban, our supposed "sworn enemies" who "hate us for our freedoms", owe their existence to the United States.
Originally posted by SLAYER69
Meanwhile back at the Ranch and Reality....
After years of war, there still arnt any "Oil and or Gas leases" in Afghnistan becuase they have no oil. Not only that, but the "Oil Pipeline" hasnt materialized either. Also, lets ignore the fact that the Taliban were in charge of all the major poppy producing feilds [For Years] in Afghnistan and only cut production when the market was flooded with over production and the price dropped back in 2001 AND that they were in control of those very same provinces most of the war which financed their war effort [From the sale of opium to the Russian Mob] etc etc etc.
Also "Blowback" would vindicate the official 9/11 story. [That is, these people were tired of US intervention in the region and struck back on that date] Are you sure you want to go down that route?
Also "Blowback" would vindicate the official 9/11 story. [That is, these people were tired of US intervention in the region and struck back on that date] Are you sure you want to go down that route?
Pre-1979-1989, Afghanistan: The CIA's Biggest Covert War
By Mark Zapezauer
During the Reagan years, the CIA ran nearly two dozen covert operations against various governments. Of these, Afghanistan was by far the biggest; it was, in fact, the biggest CIA operation of all time, both in terms of dollars spent (US$5 to US$6 billion) and personnel involved.
Its main purpose was to "bleed" the Soviet Union, just as the U.S. had been bled in Vietnam. Prior to the 1979 Russian invasion, Afghanistan was ruled by a brutal dictator. Like the neighboring shah of Iran, he allowed the CIA to set up radar installations in his country that were used to monitor the Soviets. In 1979, after several dozen Soviet advisors were massacred by Afghan tribesmen, the USSR sent in the Red Army.
The Soviets tried to install a pliable client regime, without taking local attitudes into account. Many of the mullahs who controlled chunks of Afghan territory objected to Soviet efforts to educate women and to institute land reform. Others, outraged by the USSR's attempts to suppress the heroin trade, shifted their operations to Pakistan.
As for the CIA, its aim was simply to humiliate the Soviets by arming anyone who would fight against them. The agency funneled cash and weapons to over a dozen guerrilla groups, many of whom had been staging raids from Pakistan years before the Soviet invasion. For many years, long after the Soviets left Afghanistan, most of these groups were still fighting each other for control of the country.
One notable veteran of the Afghan operation is Sheik Abdel Rahman, famous for his role in the World Trade Center bombing.
The CIA succeeded in creating chaos, but never developed a plan for ending it. When the ten-year war was over, a million people were dead, and Afghan heroin had captured 60% of the U.S. market.