OWS Protester Tells It How It Is - Propaganda Artists Need Not Enter Thread

Originally posted by Grimpachi
I had seen a report where occupy was pushing to get money out of politics especialy capital hill. That is something I can support but it is as someone else said. It is whatever you wan't it to be.

It is all really to bad because at this rate I don't believe there is anything that will come out of it.

There is no unity or focus that alone will destroy any movement.

"I don't believe there is anything that will come out of it."

Orly?

Have you seen the OCCUPIED amendment?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by SirMike
Even worse, no "education" and no skills ... and he wonders why his life is the way it is ... must TPTB.

Again, another baseless assumption, you relize when you make this types of smears against Occupy you are actually helping us out? Right, because arguments like that only discredit you.

How do you know he has no education or skills?

I am self employed, going to school part time, and I still support Occupy!

Not everyone thinks only about themselves...

Originally posted by Expat888
what a load of rubbish..

one of the richest men I met had only a primary school education.
he worked his way up from nothing to owning several companies and casinos along with supported many charitable humanitarian causes before he passed away.

theres many who like him dont have 'education' but they work for what they want and make it just fine even in todays world.

life is what you make of it you want something bad enough get up off your lazy arses stop whinging and work for it.
always been that way and always will be. the world doesnt owe you a living or anything else for that matter.

Again, you did not watch the video nor read my replies.

He was not talking about formal education.

He is saying people need to educate each other about the economic crisis so people can make informed decisions.

He was not promoting free college or anything like that, you'd know that if you watched the video.

As I said, people like you just inadvertently support occupy by not listening to what the people are saying, and just make assumptions about what they are saying.

Please, watch the video and then respond.

He is not saying the world, or the government owes him anything. You just assumed you knew what he was going to say and hit the reply button...

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

So preferring to stay anonymous or have as little attention brought onto himself makes his message worthless?

Anonymous? Anonymous from who exactly? He's at a major conflict camp in the OWS Movement. He's been photographed and profiled by at LEAST one agency if not multiple just for practice by now. If the point was to appear AS 'Anonymous" as a proper noun, I have made a point of never knocking the people doing that. They are making a serious and recognized political point with the Fawkes mask.

So in summation, this post, all previous posts, and all future posts by you are worthless because your avatar doesnt have your face in it. whats wrong, dont like your own medicine? Go ahead, plaster your face all over the internet. Doubtful

As far as I am concerned personally... The following link goes to the General Assembly held at Occupy STL on Oct 16th. It was my first day arriving and staying as a camp resident. I am the one in the white 99% t-shirt doing stack for the G.A.. I can't be faulted for not volunteering, even if I do sometimes come to really regret it. Forgive the fact I look like an idiot...I was totally lost as I HAD just arrived about 90 minutes before this was taken.

I am also in the verbal Phase 2 arguments on the 2nd amendment issue being handled at that G.A. for the right to carry a legally permitted weapon in the OWS camp as the law provides for. I fully expected to be shunned and made to feel unwelcome after taking THIS particular stand so quickly after arriving and before I even knew anyone..but when I had to choose wether to take a stand and risk having driven 200 miles to get there for nothing...I stood and surprisingly, was shown a fair degree of respect not disdain for having done so.

My first time as a facilitator and contributor at General Assembly for Occupy STL.

The GA gets moving around 30 minutes in and it isn't too far that the proposal about banning all weapons is introduced. Anyway, cheers... I wasn't sure I was going to link this for an ATS post..but what the heck. I'm not ashamed of what I did or where I was.

Rather than complaining about how banks and others are keeping him from his goal of owning his own business, perhaps he should just plow ahead and get his business up and running.

I started a business in December 2008 (Pretty good time to start one huh?) with $5,000 of my own money and some financing of friends and family. I poured all my efforts into making it succeed, even during quite possibly the second worst business climate in the last 100 years. This past year, my stores were netting me a six figure profit and the value of my business is approaching half a Million. This year I will be over $200,000 in profit and a business valuation of just under $760,000. Every year I grow and expand my business. There is opportunity everywhere around me when I look for it. I am starting a side related venture this year that should get me another $100,000 in profit per year that will take about 2 years to reach that level. I will succeed in spite of the Economy, Banks and the Government.

To those who tell me that they can't get a business going, I say BULL. Unless you have zero money, zero friends and zero family and zero talent, I am here to tell you that you can find a way to start your business if you put 150% effort into getting it going. It's more a question of Desire and Will than anything else. If you have the burning desire and will to see it through, you will be successful. I know that sounds like a bunch of self help mumble jumble, but it's the truth.

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I watched the video. That's why I suggested the SBA. That's Federal funds. You know the same as Solyndra just on a smaller scale. Of course you have to have a workable business plan. I'm getting tired of everybody who is critical of OWS being accused of "smearing them".

Originally posted by pavil
Rather than complaining about how banks and others are keeping him from his goal of owning his own business, perhaps he should just plow ahead and get his business up and running. I started a business in December 2008 (Pretty good time to start one huh?) with $5,000 of my own money and some financing of friends and family. I poured all my efforts into making it succeed, even during quite possibly the second worst business climate in the last 100 years. This past year, my stores were netting me a six figure profit and the value of my business is approaching half a Million. This year I will be over $200,000 in profit and a business valuation of just under $760,000. Every year I grow and expand my business. There is opportunity everywhere around me when I look for it. I am starting a side related venture this year that should get me another $100,000 in profit per year that will take about 2 years to reach that level. I will succeed in spite of the Economy, Banks and the Government. To those who tell me that they can't get a business going, I say BULL. Unless you have zero money, zero friends and zero family and zero talent, I am here to tell you that you can find a way to start your business if you put 150% effort into getting it going. It's more a question of Desire and Will than anything else. If you have the burning desire and will to see it through, you will be successful. I know that sounds like a bunch of self help mumble jumble, but it's the truth.

I have my own buisness to, but we both know the points in the video are valid. Many of us can be successful working with in the system, but it doesn't mean the system is perfect, there is a lot that needs to be changed.

It may be easy for some of us, but not all of us have support in our families. High schools certainly don't teach kids what they need to know to start a business, and kids are from disadvantaged backgrounds (I know many kids like that) and the system just tells them to get a crappy job or take out a bunch of loans to go to an overpriced college. They don't know any better, occupy is about getting these people(and everyone else) informed.

For those of us who have made it, it is easy to look at the rest of the crowd and say they should be able to do the same. Well guess what, the rest of the crowd isn't doing the same, and if you get to know these people it isn't because they lack will or just have defective genetics or are just bad people.

reply to post by CREAM


So according to you the ossupiers are not doing something wrong. According to other the occupiers are doing something wrong. There are always three groups, don't forget the classic i don't care group. What I want to know is you. Do you actively do anything, or do you just sit around and watch the videos?

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Your name and your comments show your limitations. These OWS folks are out there to save your sorry, ungrateful, selfish ass....pay better attention, and not to fox news.

Originally posted by CREAM
I have my own buisness to, but we both know the points in the video are valid. Many of us can be successful working with in the system, but it doesn't mean the system is perfect, there is a lot that needs to be changed.

It may be easy for some of us, but not all of us have support in our families. High schools certainly don't teach kids what they need to know to start a business, and kids are from disadvantaged backgrounds (I know many kids like that) and the system just tells them to get a crappy job or take out a bunch of loans to go to an overpriced college. They don't know any better, occupy is about getting these people(and everyone else) informed.

For those of us who have made it, it is easy to look at the rest of the crowd and say they should be able to do the same. Well guess what, the rest of the crowd isn't doing the same, and if you get to know these people it isn't because they lack will or just have defective genetics or are just bad people.

edit on 29-11-2011 by CREAM because: (no reason given)

Sorry I don't agree with the premise of the video. Sure things are messed up but that shouldn't stop someone, there is always a way to get a business rolling. Mine involved no financing from Banks at first. I do think it comes down to a matter of lacking will. I fully understand that most people don't have "it", the burning desire to succeed. I don't think Steve Jobs or Bill Gates would have failed at any business, they wouldn't have allowed themselves to fail. Even Job's NEXT computer fiasco laid the ground work for Pixar and ITunes.

If people would commit the effort necessary to start and succeed in business, they more often than not, will be at least moderately successful. It's more of going out, doing it and making it happen than wishing for everything to be perfect. There are tons of businesses out there that make a good living for their owners, yet they only scratch the potential of what they could achieve. It's pretty easy to double your business when your really put your mind to it and break it down. America still has tons of opportunity for people who look for it. Wishing for it to double without any real plan how to do that is what most do, which is why they fail or don't grow.


High Schools and I would contend, colleges and universities, don't teach people what it takes to start a business.

Originally posted by locololo
So according to you the ossupiers are not doing something wrong. According to other the occupiers are doing something wrong. There are always three groups, don't forget the classic i don't care group. What I want to know is you. Do you actively do anything, or do you just sit around and watch the videos?

Educating yourself and others, online and in real life, whether it is by spreading youtube videos or talking to your friends and family, is the first current stage of The Plan of occupy. I have already done my part in the viral spread by converting a number of people to the cause, who are now talking about it to others.

We can not achieve our peaceful revolution until the masses are educated, it will not be a quick process and will take part over time.

I will be taking part in next years Nov 5 protest in person, in a major city, maybe DC, I am looking forward to that one a lot. Until then, I will spreading information and participating in online Anon operations. If Occupy gains the momentum in spring and we see some major major protests, I'll be down there.

I don't intend on camping as I have work to do and go to school, but I defend those are camping.

In other news, do you here of the new information about secret bailouts? This was published yesterday.

News like that is what makes me have faith in Occupy. I know when more Americans find out about stuff like that, the people will rise up.

Next years November 5th will be huge, I have no doubt.

Originally posted by pavil
America still has tons of opportunity for people who look for it.

I agree with that to a certain extent, but there a many many issues which don't sit right with me. The ones that this man brought up is just a small fraction of what is being discussed down at occupy (while I am not down there, I do watch the live feeds)

I am sorry to switch topics, but I respect your opinion on specific issue of starting businesses, so I'd like to bring up another thing that people are protesting:

Corruption:

Now, it has come out that many of our congressmen have participated in insider trading. For example, Nacy Pelosi. These people have not only not been punished, they have not stepped down.

But guess what, because of Occupy, something is now being done about it - www.abovetopsecret.com... A constitutional amendment.

Have you read the wikipedia page for Halliburton? If so you may want to. Halliburton may be the largest criminal gang in the world, Dick Cheney really should be charged for treason. The is a Halliburton subsidiary in Iran. Halibuton has been caught for bribery but ironically, Cheney and others got off by PAYING settlements instead of being convicted with criminal charges. The list for them goes on, and NO ONE is holding them accountable. That has to change.

That ish alone is reason for revolution.

The war on drugs is another biggie for me, there a lot of causes I would be will to put everything on the line for if a revolution was actually initiated in the US.

I am pro 'Protesting' and 'Demonstrating' i am an Anarchist so i don't side with the Left And Right Paradigm

the inherent tribulation i see with this 'Occupy' movement, is it became trendy fast,

and whilst the Occupy camps within different states offer a means of 'support' and a 'Unity' in taking down Wall Street, they are doing nothing to aid the cause,

i believe the initial occupy of 'Wall street' with the meaning to shut it down was a movement, with the intent to truly shut down Wall Street through occupation,


people are utilizing this 'Occupy' movement, to establish various political, likewise social ideologies, instead of sitting in Tents with signs that say 'We Are The 1%' they should start putting the Corrupt FED in the spotlight, they should put the political corruption, and the perversion of political party differences, the social injustice the continues around the world,


where were these people when the Patriot Act was initiated?

Originally posted by JIMC5499
As far as lazy goes, I can't speak for all of them, but, the three that I talked with last Friday who were complaining about the lack of jobs, threw my business cards in my face when I told them that they could start Monday as soon as they passed a drug screening test.

Maybe after you mentioned the drug screening you should have then told them that they could apply in a month if they weren't quite "ready" for a full time job. I have this, uh, friend in management that does that because he doesn't believe in the company's draconian drug policies. I'm sure you would've gotten a better response if you'd tried that. That also separates the people with genuine drug problems (with genuine drugs) from the occasional tokers.

Originally posted by JIMC5499
but, the three that I talked with last Friday who were complaining about the lack of jobs, threw my business cards in my face when I told them that they could start Monday as soon as they passed a drug screening test.

They probably knew that they would have failed that test!

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It isn't my fault if they can't pass a drug test. They need to stop whining that there are no jobs out there. The majority of companies require drug screening, because their insurance companies require it.

We are having problems finding qualified people, so we have set up a training program.


I'm pretty sure that I lost them when I said that the job involved physical labor.

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I sugget a gas mask . The police obviously show distaste at the occupy movement, and in a year many things happen.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Perhaps he fears the backlash from actually saying truth as to speak of truth has become a criminal act. He has every right to wear whatever he wants.

Quick to attack dude for hiding half of his face and showing more concern over that then what is being said is really disgusting.

I am not a big fan of OWS I would say I want to be but there are things that keep pushing me away from it. Most of those things have to do with my interaction with the supporters and there attitude. If someone says you are either with us or against us I will be against that type of thinking and those kind of people.

Now as for the video. I think he is half right. The banks were bailed out and part of that bailout was supposed to be contingent on them loaning that money out to small buisnesses which they didn't do.

I don't care if the guy shows his face or not. I do know that members of anon do not show there faces and they have been behind some good causes. Such as going up against The Cult of Scientology and in those cases you would understand why they don't show there faces.

The thing I dissagree with is him saying the movement is about educateing people. If he means complaining about the current situation without proposeing any viable changes then that does not work for me.

If I were to hear more solution oriented conversations that would sway me in there favor. There is a bill that is being proposed to get money out of congress that I do like however I do not know how much OWS is behind that. They need to unite and figure out some singular messages ' point out there grievences but also have some solutions that are realistic to go along with them. Then take that message to Capital Hill where it should be.

Last thing that I really do not like that gets on my nerves. STOP WITH THE MIC CHECK BIT. It makes them all sound like a buch of clueless kids. WE THE PEOPLE or something like that, just find something different.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Wow.... It didn't take that much for me to stop watching. Just skipping through to confirm the man never has the courage to show his face is enough to outright throw out anything he has to say. I'm sorry, but those who feel the need to hide rather than stand for their convictions and beliefs garner absolutely no respect whatever from me.

You don't have to be right, but you do have to stand up and be counted when you voice opinions like this. Again..Sorry to be a bit harsh..but this wanna-be bandit/desperado crap isn't cute and it isn't revolutionary. It's not even an original idea. It's the sign of a coward and he sure isn't alone.

He DOES NOT represent the overall movement of individual people though. I don't have to be an OWS supporter at this point to at least call *FAIL* on that aspect and try to keep things honest and fair on all this..... No need to add to the bad perceptions OWS already generates by itself by suggesting they represents MORE of the movement than they actually do.

Says the anonymous poster hiding behind a screen name and avatar.


Thanks for 100% of my daily recommended dose if irony.