UK Foreign Office says to prepare for riots in Euro Collapse.

Originally posted by detachedindividual
I guess the govt hasn't been paying any attention to the sensible people around the world for the past three years all predicting that all of this would happen.

It amazes me, it really does. These people have high salaries, they have think-tanks paid to come up with forecasts and solutions, they have special advisers and access to information the rest of us can only imagine.

So when I was sitting at home and watching them diminishing our military capability I would have to be under the assumption that they knew what they were doing. Obviously I must be incorrect in believing that the economic collapse is inevitable because the debt level is impossibly high, and that this economic collapse would inevitably lead to war and threats to our national security.

And then something like this comes out and I'm flabbergasted.

It turns out the millions of people who actually pay attention to history, and the millions of people trusting these retards to run our countries knew what was *likely* to happen, while those paid to represent us ignored the facts and made decisions based on false belief, hope, wishful thinking...

I'll need to dig up the threads, but plenty of us knew in 2008 that the $ was dead, the € would collapse, and that there would be massive civil unrest on a scale we've never seen, likely to result in the overthrow of governments around the world and massive popular uprisings resulting in several new forms of government.
How come we all predicted this way back then, and these people in positions of power and with access to all the information somehow *didn't see it coming*?

I really shouldn't be too surprised, every time they release a statistic and suggest it was more disappointing than expected I tend to scream in response "REALLY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL EXPECTED, DUMBASS!"

DI

You are so correct with your comment.... I agree completely.........

Highly paid advisors and analysts with their snouts in the trough IGNORING what to you and me and the rest of the population is simple ''common sense''......

We as a society need to understand that the gravy train we all subscribe too is running out of the brown stuff......

We forget what we have in our society and should really remember what other socities lack in basic terms...

Regards

PDUK

reply to post by OneManArmy


Good thing Britain never went 100% euro. They'll get off easy in good hopes.


Bad thing: probability of the rise of national socialism is high.

Originally posted by PurpleDog UK
Being British (Yes not fecking English or Scottish or Welsh etc etc) I always thought that we were in a better position than being part of a Europe, which to all reasonable people now looks like a sinking ship.......
How those in power thought they could run a ''Union'' even though there were different rules and expectations by each individual state is beyond stupid IMHO.....

I therefore thought Sterling (the £) was a good bet to sit in as well as other stuff................ Unfortunately I am NOT SO SURE NOW..........

The reason for my doubt was information in a recent article from Robert Peston, the BBC Business / Economics Director.....

Here's the article.. a link
www.bbc.co.uk...

Bottomline is this.........
The bad news is that 2012 is the year of greatest risk that a bloated bank or over-extended government will be unable to repay its debts - because it is a year when a frightening volume of the loans that were taken out in the boom years fall due for repayment.

It is not so much Governemt Debt but that money lent to Private business in the boom years which is now been looked at to re-finance BUT from WHERE??

We are all going to hell in a a hand cart and there is NOTHING we can do about it.......Apart from have another World War which will act as a distraction and eventually an opportunity for growth.......

We will see in 5 years time.....

or less

PDUK

Well I am glad not to be fecking British. Being part of the Eurozone but abstaining using the Euro probably didn't help the entire union much did it?

A simple solution to the collapsing Euro is to have all the currencies involved pegged at their value relative to each other before they entered the Euro.

Individual Governments would then be responsible for ensuring the value of their own currencies.

Once the Euro collapses, the dollar will probably follow pretty quickly. With the Government of China fixing the value of the Yuan, it is impossible to use this as a reserve currency.

Maybe for the next 100 years we'll be pricing everything in Yen?

reply to post by Gorman91


Britain will get off relatively unscathed when the Euro collapses, but they have their own economic issues and the pound will probably be drastically reduced in value.

When the collapse comes, it NEED NOT be a civil war.

No matter what happens in Europe, or even in the WORLD, we are humans, with brains, hands and legs - the ability to persevere against the worst odds stacked, and win over time. Our ancestors throughout history had proven it so, thus this is not some feel good homilie.

The world has not run of resources, nor humanity incapicitated. There are still needs and wants to be met by humanity from all over the world. And the best of all, MANY still have funds hoarded up, either at home or in safe havens. Money didnt disappear into thin air. When some loses money, SOMEONE else gains it, thus it doesnt 'disappear' into matter.

Their funds will help rejuvenate Europe if not the world, so long as they are assured that for any money they part with, it comes with returns, even if only a few percentage points, not necessarily to the tune of double digit figures. There still is some humanity and conscience left in the 1%, if not many, but in some and that some is good enough to get economies up and running again.

In the meantime, each country would have food, water and utility stocks saved for rainy days. It is time to break the piggy banks and distribute such rations to the needy so that NONE be left behind. Money lost can always be earned back, but without healthy, fit and MOTIVATED citizens, there is no way for any returns or growth.

And other countries MUST do the conscienable thing - should any hoarded wealth found to be from the selfish european rich in their country, they must ensure that it can be used and avaliable for the rejuvenation of the people of Europe. We must never beggar our neighbours, espacially in their hour of need.

For those nations whom have sovereign european loans, let the interest payments be put on hold for a number of years till stricken countries gain back their footings, if debt forgiveness is not possible. There is absolutely no point in killing the golden geese, or seizing such assets but will offer no returns, for none will work, pay back or allow such seizures without massive chaos.

It is not the end yet, not by a long shot, if leaders for once do the right and necessary thing. Use a sledge hammer and everyone will die. Use a chisel judiciously welded, takes time, but in the end, much strife and chaos will be avoided - a win win solution for all.

reply to post by babybunnies


huh. But in the valley of the damned currencies, the local ones usually recover fastest.

reply to post by OneManArmy


It's time for the West to get smart and nationalize the energy sector and central banking. The days of the super rich I believe is coming to an end. The majority of capital must move laterally within more localized cycles of exchange instead of vertically within more of a global exchange that surpasses economy of scale on the efficiency curve. When the majority of capital moves vertically instead of laterally under a less efficient macro economic model revolution becomes inevitable. We need to be proactive in cutting off the inevitable at the pass so to speak.

The meek shall inherit the Earth, and it's time for the meek to speak up taking charge in the name of peace.

reply to post by OneManArmy


Euro economy has been crashing (its total collapse will lead to the usa economy collapse)

Wake up people we are witnessing the economic collapse around the world. What the foolish governments trying to do is postpone it just long enough that they can take all the money when all hell breaks lose.

USA will collapse within a decade if not sooner (turn into 3rd world country)

reply to post by OneManArmy


perhaps I did not get my point across, but I agree with you, it is coming here.

Originally posted by LilDudeissocool
reply to post by OneManArmy

 

It's time for the West to get smart and nationalize the energy sector and central banking. The days of the super rich I believe is coming to an end. The majority of capital must move laterally within more localized cycles of exchange instead of vertically within more of a global exchange that surpasses economy of scale on the efficiency curve. When the majority of capital moves vertically instead of laterally under a less efficient macro economic model revolution becomes inevitable. We need to be proactive in cutting off the inevitable at the pass so to speak.

That is really spot on

Originally posted by MidnightTide
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perhaps I did not get my point across, but I agree with you, it is coming here.

no, you did get your point across, I agree with you completely, I was just adding to what you said.

Originally posted by detachedindividual

I'll need to dig up the threads, but plenty of us knew in 2008 that the $ was dead, the € would collapse, and that there would be massive civil unrest on a scale we've never seen, likely to result in the overthrow of governments around the world and massive popular uprisings resulting in several new forms of government.
How come we all predicted this way back then, and these people in positions of power and with access to all the information somehow *didn't see it coming*?

I really shouldn't be too surprised, every time they release a statistic and suggest it was more disappointing than expected I tend to scream in response "REALLY? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ALL EXPECTED, DUMBASS!"

I agree, but actually I have been reading about this coming since at least 2003. I first i wasnt so sure, as I saw it all coming to pass before by eyes from around 2008-2009, I am absolutely certain that the warnings from back in 2003 were spot on, Im also certain that this is all by design, it is all a part of the incoming of the NWO.
Creating the chaos and ashes out of which the phoenix of the New World Order will arise. And then whoever survives the turmoil is really in trouble.

This story got plenty of coverage in the political media coverage in the UK yesterday. The exact story was brought up with the chancellor of coke and hookers. Just feels like they are all following a predecided path. Its very hard to figure out but I really don't think those in charge are aware of this path and how its really going to play out. They just say their piece and have no idea of how bad the big picture is.

More fuel was added to the fire first thing this morning too.

Moody's Investors Service warned on Monday the rapid escalation of the euro zone sovereign and banking crisis threatens the credit standing of all European government bond ratings.

www.reuters.com...


then we have this mixed up story appearing;

Stock markets boosted by rumours of bailout deal for Italy, though IMF denies reports of aid package proposal

www.guardian.co.uk...

Italy was the 3rd largest economy in the eurozone and a short time ago was considered too big to bail out??

some people still have a belief that the UK might not get hit too bad because they are not wrapped up in the eurozone. this is not an extra year or two of austerity measures. we(the world) are facing something that has never been seen before on a scale that has never been seen before.

I think this will illustrate just how mad Europeans are, in 1352 Modena and Bolognia went to war over a bucket! cannot find details as to why though.

Originally posted by EspyderManWell I am glad not to be fecking British. Being part of the Eurozone but abstaining using the Euro probably didn't help the entire union much did it?

Exactly the point I have been making for ten years. The whole edifice was designed around the strongest European economies pitching in together, and the unwillingness of successive UK governments to commit has created a disaster waiting to happen. The irony is that the Eurosceptics, who have always stood by the line that joining the common currency would significantly weaken the UK's position, are going to be receiving an object lesson very soon on how the economic fate of the UK is bound up with that of continental Europe. Personally I would happily accept any perceived "loss of sovereignty/ national identity/ w.h.y" to avoid the catastrophe that is coming down.

reply to post by surrealist


You can have it. All of the apocalyptic wank fantasies of the psuedo-religious, and their malformed desert gods and monotheism. The hard truth is that all of that is dying away. If you don't get your antichrist soon, it will be too late, as no one will be left who cares.

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Spyderman.........

I think you are WAY OFF with your comment......

Being involved with Europe as much as we 'British' are means that we will be affected sooner or later in some way BUT the fact that we retained our own currency and ability to affect interest rates outside the ECB means that we are not another Italy or even Greece currently....

The UK debt pile is HUGE....caused by wayward profligate spending by the previous Labour Government, whom now think it's politically correct (?) to blame the current coalition...please i give that lot up.. (especially Ed Balls who was in the Treasury and was actually part of the problem today !!)......

If we were in euros and the debt was as it is today then the financial markets would have already 'killed' the UK because the UK would have been far to big to save, but because we are still in £££££ then our fate has been postponed for a few years (3/4 perhaps)......

As for being British then I am always British rather than English, Scotish, Welsh or NI........... the sooner we as a civialised society get rid of our stupid 'tribal beliefs' wether sports teams or any other nonsense then society would be more gelling in the face of adversity...........BUT currently we are sometimes too viscereal in our support of sillyness that we cause conflict amongst ourselves.....

Regards

PDUK

Some advice.

Just wanted to add a bit of advice for those in the thread if caught in Europe and wanting to get home to the UK I would look at all actual ports and ferry services that run between Britain and the Continent rather than sticking to the known ones everyone rushes too.

A case in point is my local one.. during the ash cloud disturbance while other ports such as Dover had massive queues and long waiting times the Newhaven - Dieppe Route had space during the whole period on inward and outward ferries for passengers.

Like a lot of ports Newhaven has direct links to major cities such as London.

Failing that and if you have some money you can always group together with others and hire one of the local fishermen to drop you off

If you are caught in Europe there is always a way to get back to Britain

I'd really like to add to the sentiment that such a collapse need not mean a lot of chaos, "we're all adults here, yada, yada, yada..."

The problem I am watching here in France right now is that anxiety is rising quickly among the masses, and although yes, many of us are reasonable people with brains, self control, and confidence in our abilities to survive and find solutions, there is a large part of the population that are NOT. The last two days has seen some serious robberies, today and yesterday, police have been killed in them both days. I am watching people around me losing it.

Some of us just aren't able to handle anxiety and stress very well, and perhaps that has something to do with how much they are already struggling to survive or not, or values passed on through certain families or environments, where the response to threat or danger must be violent, and forceful self preservation as immediate reflex is necessary. I don't know.

But I foresee things getting rather messy here, and rather quickly. Add the generalized fear to the already present tensions in the population with the Muslim population and we got ourselves a powderkeg waiting for a spark!

I'm supposed to go back to the US in a couple of weeks and I do NOT want to leave! I prefer to stay and help protect my family!

reply to post by Bluesma


I feel for you.

It's sad when the political leadership refuses to acknowledge the problems right under their nose, and focus intead on money, as if it would solve EVERYTHING. There is no way it could, not now or even later, but only down the road in couple of years when FULL confidence is regained.

Since the leaders are negligent, then it is up to you alone to fend for yourself and your family. But do realize that you are not alone with such thoughts, for everyone of us are ALL humans - bleed the same, feel the same and hope the same, muslims, jews, christians or atheists.

Regardless of how unprepared you are, it needs only simple human steps to protect yourself and your family, and that is to REACH out to your neighbours, regardless of whatever differences they may have with or perceived against you.

Talk to them, discuss about issues and then find ways to protect each other, for both of you do have common aims in life and right now - its about shared survival and security, and from there, reach out to other neighbours, and in time you will have the entire block and district working together based upon mutal understandings, protection, sharing of neccesities and security.

Some will not buy it, and it will take time to convince them, but if they wish to remain aloof, then move on to the next, for under such circumstances, shared survival is a major convincer and great therapy for pent up individual fears and stresses.

It will take time, but it begins today. Good luck.