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Perhaps links to the appropriate laws that validate your claim that
Originally posted by dontreally
What else could I add to 'substantiate' my speculations?
I'm looking, but haven't seen any evidence that such laws exist...
It's illegal for a known psychic to gamble at a Casino (and yet it 'isn't' real).. It's also illegal for someone to use occultism (summon spirits) to invest in the stock market......
Originally posted by dontreally
reply to post by MemoryShock
Yes I can.
And no, you can not. If it has practical value - hence the term "practical magic" - to the seasoned occultist, then it would be very reasonable to wager that the political elite - nobility, etc, are well aware of its principles, and make use of it.
I do know that science and the manipulation of the environment were closely held secrets in order to gain an authority over those who didn't know, couldn't figure it out and wanted the results of the apllied knowledge...or magic.
Originally posted by dontreally
How frequently would you think a law such as "known psychics are not allowed to gamble in our casino" would be invoked? Not frequently, i would bet. But in any case, if its not a state law, its definitely a policy that every casino who cares about its assets would invoke.
As of October 2011, there are no federal, state or local laws which prohibit card counting in the United States as long as no external card counting device or person assists the player in counting cards.[17] Casinos continue to offer blackjack only because the vast majority of unskilled casual blackjack players more than make up for the small number of advantage players capable of reducing the casinos' edge. In their pursuit to catch card counters, casinos misidentify and ban unskilled casual players whose betting style (or lack of) unknowingly mimics betting patterns of card counters.[18]
In all parts of the United States, with Atlantic City being the sole exception, casinos may bar any player for any reason including card counting as long as the Federal laws against discrimination based on race, creed, sex, national origin, age, or physical disability are not violated.
Atlantic City casinos in the state of New Jersey are forbidden from barring card counters as a result of a successful lawsuit. In 1979 Ken Uston, a Blackjack Hall of Fame inductee, filed a lawsuit against an Atlantic City casino, claiming that casinos did not have the right to bar skilled players. (Uston v. Resorts International Hotel Inc., 445 A.2d 370 N.J. 1982)[19]. The New Jersey Supreme Court agreed, ruling that "the state's control of Atlantic City's casinos is so complete that only the New Jersey Casino Control Commission has the power to make rules to exclude skillful players." As of 2011, New Jersey Casino Control Commission has not made such a ruling, thereby -- by statute -- Atlantic City casinos are not allowed to bar card counters. In response to Uston's legal victory, Atlantic City casinos began adding decks, moving up shuffle points, and introducing other player-unfriendly rules to further decrease a skilled player's potential advantage.[20] source
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Perhaps links to the appropriate laws that validate your claim that
Originally posted by dontreally
What else could I add to 'substantiate' my speculations?I'm looking, but haven't seen any evidence that such laws exist...
It's illegal for a known psychic to gamble at a Casino (and yet it 'isn't' real).. It's also illegal for someone to use occultism (summon spirits) to invest in the stock market......
Legilimency is the magical skill of extracting feelings and memories from another person's mind — a form of magical "telepathy" ( an able practitioner of the art, dismisses the colloquial term, "mind-reading", as a drastic oversimplification). It also allows one to convey visions or memories to another person, whether real or imaginary. A witch or wizard possessing this skill is called a Legilimens, and can, for example, detect lies and deceit in another person, witness memories in another person's past, or "plant" false visions in another's mind.
The counter-skill to Legilimency is Occlumency (and its user, known as an Occlumens), by which one can compartmentalise one's emotions, or prevent a Legilimens from discovering thoughts or memories which contradict one's spoken words or actions. An advanced form of Occlumency is planting false temporary memories inside an Occlumens´ own head while blocking all other true memories, so if a Legilimens, even a highly skilled one, were to attempt to read the mind he or she would find false memories only and believe everything was right.
And yet, in your opening post you insist that such laws exist.
Originally posted by dontreally
These aren't things you would have formal laws on.
Both make a living by cheating. Both are capable of counting cards as part of their act. Neither has the slightest hint of supernatural or paranormal ability. They're just showmen.
Originally posted by dontreally
Criss Angel (the famous TV magician) for instance, isn't allowed to gamble anywhere in las vegas - where he lives. Why? Because they think he would be able to beat the odds. Same thing with David Blain. They've both discussed this on their respective shows.
Originally posted by dontreally
I was just thinking..... It's illegal for a known psychic to gamble at a Casino (and yet it 'isn't' real).. It's also illegal for someone to use occultism (summon spirits) to invest in the stock market......
If they don't, then you're founding your argument on a lie, and this thread should be moved to the hoax section immediately.
Both make a living by cheating. Both are capable of counting cards as part of their act. Neither has the slightest hint of supernatural or paranormal ability. They're just showmen.
I do have quite a bit of experience in such matters, personally preferring the Hine/Dunn methods of chaos magick for my own practices, but I know there are a number of different systems that can produce similar results.
Originally posted by dontreally
Right... Well, if you had a knowledge of metaphysical systems, and experience with practical magic, you would understand these things are not fake, but quite real.
No effect that they produce requires anything beyond skill, technique and props.
Yes, the very same. Penn & I have argued on a number of topics over the years, but that hasn't kept me from getting invited to the Slammer for parties.
Originally posted by dontreally
Really, you've hung out with Penn and teller? The arch-skeptics who take great pleasure in "exposing the lies of psychic" phenomena, doubting its existence???
Not at all. The physical forces of nature ARE immutable. No amount of spell casting can make a human levitate or walk through walls. Magick cannot change or influence physics, but it can influence opportunity, "luck" and other intangible forces that science has yet to label properly. And yes, I do know that from the successful practice of my craft.
If you've hung out with Penn and Teller, then they must know of occultic forces? Spiritual realms of mind and consciousness, that make a mockery of the concrete fixity of so-called physical laws of nature. When really, physical laws of nature are merely processes that frequently happen. Because it happens over and over again, in a predictable fashion, people (falsely) assume that they are immutable.
Certainly, you must know how true that is since you practice chaos magick.....
Not at all. The physical forces of nature ARE immutable.
No amount of spell casting can make a human levitate or walk through walls.
Magick cannot change or influence physics, but it can influence opportunity, "luck" and other intangible forces that science has yet to label properly.
If you don't already, you should teach a Mysteries/metaphysics course,