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Fearless Humanism - The Occupy Manifesto

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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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Read it at

www.occupybucharest.com

"Have you read any manifestos for the #Occupy movement?

This manifesto will give you a completely new perspective on society, the world, and the meaning of being human.

It explains a lot of things that currently don’t make sense, and will give you a framework for understanding possible change, and the future.

A human future.

Whether or not you agree with this fundamentally human perspective, I promise you your time here will not be wasted. "


I'm the author, so you can aim any criticism directly at me, if you feel the need for that.
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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I read it, interesting perspective... I only have one question.

If we do away with capitalism, and MONEY, what do we trade with, and how will society be sustained and supported?



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 04:55 PM
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I will not answer that here, as it is fully answered in the Manifesto.

Nowhere do I say to "do away" with capitalism and money.

First of all, this would be an unwise call to action, as it is beyond the means of anyone right now to do away with these things.

My purpose is to build in someone reading the manifesto certain notions and mental tools required for a deeper understanding of humanity, the foundation of economics, and consequently - capitalism and money.

The issue isn't what to do with capitalism and money, but what to do with humanity and production.

Capitalism and money are unessential forms - that you, and many others, cannot work your way out of these forms is sad - but it is not your fault.

And that is the ultimate point here, that the alternative isn't this system or that, but the correct and sincere cultivation of human beings and human values. This is a simplification, and when I word it like this many people dismiss it as hippie hogwash - hence the more technical explanation present in the Manifesto.

P.S: you didn't get the simplest and most fundamental thing: it's not money and capitalism that sustain our society, but rather it is humans and their inherent capabilities, together with primary biological production. All else is secondary to these, including money. And not secondary in a moral sense, but secondary in the most fundamental, pragmatic sense.
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:08 PM
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I agree with much of what you're saying. The key to a better future I believe is the recognition that competition is deadly and that cooperation is the means in which humanity will thrive. Unfortunately many are addicted to money and with that, it will take a huge amount of work to move away from it for the better of humanity.

By chance, have you ever read Oscar Wilde's short thesis on Man's Soul Under Socialism? I think you would perhaps enjoy it.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Here is a link

www.marxists.org...



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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I haven't read it, but it being Wilde, I would probably indeed enjoy it.

However, my view is far from socialism. This is why I emphasize citizenship and the republic as values unto themselves, alongside society and democracy.

Republic and society are different things, sort of like head and body, if you will.

Humanism is different from socialism because socialism would have you believe that value is inherent to social processes, whereas these are secondary to human potential and human principles, which themselves - are simply a reflection of universal principles.

So it is with this in mind that I wrote it - what is the potential of nature, and of the world of forms as we see it around us? What is the potential of humans? What is the potential of the universe, in the sense of observable universal principles and forces which shape reality. And putting these together, what can we learn of our destiny and the best way to shape this destiny.

Only a fool would believe that "money", this abstract replacement for a simplistic bastardization of human workforce and low-level social processes, is the answer to that question.

The answer is Mind. Your own mind, the mind of everyone you know, Mind as that which can know everything and understand it properly.

There are other answers, such as courage, persistence, compassion and knowledge. You can observe these things uplifting humanity all throughout history.

Find the source of all things, and you know the truth. Master the source, and you are free.

This is the only final conclusion. The given specifics of life are always the same, have always been the same. We must cultivate these, and our own potential, and there is no other way.

Cultivate human value, the true design of ecosystems and production, healthy societies and the minds that watch over their just functioning, and you will have permanence. Do the opposite, and you will have the destruction you can see all around you now.

As Marcus Aurelius put it:

"All men are made one for another: either then teach them better or bear with them."



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 05:48 PM
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OP....you are so far advanced (in thinking) that I really hope this thread thrives in a most positive way.
In order for us to achieve this standard of living....we have to know the motive behind keeping the populations as FAR away from this as possible. Why, who, what..... is benefitting from the system as it is now?
If only we could know this for sure (is it money? or power? or something else? and why?).....then we could figure out how to go about heading in the right direction.
jacygirl



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 06:00 PM
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Jacy, it is not focus on who is doing what, and why, that will give answers.

This is easy - it is the essence of uncultivated men to be greedy, and over time, this greed evolves structures of control.

But such structures destroy the ever-refreshing potentials which they depend upon, so eventually, they are also destroyed.

No society, no matter how powerful it may seem, no system of control, no matter how seemingly indestructible, can exist eternally if it contradicts the basic principles of the universe we exist in.

If you destroy biological potential - as this system does - and you destroy human potential, you are eventually left with nothing. Life ceases, food ceases, the hands that work for you cease, and your empire dies in one generation.

It would be hard for me to list here the consequences of desertification, destruction of ecosystems, endangering of the oceanic currents, and many other things. To most people, these are distant and worthless things, but on them depends the food you eat every day. And if you destroy enough of the superb balance that they exist in, that food will cease to exist. You may try to bring it back by throwing technology at it, but it's not technology that is the answer, but good design. Technology is only a reaction, and when you find yourself reacting to the wholesale destructions of our biological support systems, it might already be too late.

So what the little evil men are doing, no matter how wrong, is not where the answer lies.

I've already suggested the answer at the end of the Manifesto, but here's another way of looking at it, from the biological production perspective. Eternal biological production, that is.

occupybucharest.com...
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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If I remember my history correctly, manifestos never lead to anything good.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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if I remember my last 10 seconds correctly, you're not being very useful.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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My plan wasn't to be useful as opinions on forums rarely are. Anyways I read up to here.


The basic, fundamental, undeniable and unavoidable flow of life is primary biological production. Primary production is the ability of plants and certain bacteria to create biological matter without consuming other life forms, to directly transform sunlight, heat, and physical substances from the air and earth into living tissue. Without primary production there can be no life, there can be no food and there can be no economy. Through design of ecosystems we can take advantage of primary production and channel it into ever-evolving webs of natural complexity – creating vibrant health and beauty.


Sounds like metaphysically hippy crap. I.E philosophy disconnected from reality. If I remember my observations of the OWS they haven't brought anything useful to the table to real world problems.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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I am certainly not an even match for you....it's obvious that you are better versed and no doubt better educated (than myself)....however, I AM going to question you, because it's how I learn.
I understand what you are explaining (in the Manifesto), but what I want to know is...why? Why have we allowed this to happen?
I don't know how we got here, but whatever the truth is....someone knows much more about it than we do. There have been civilizations of people who knew how to live with the rhythm/cycles of Nature, and we seem to have been led away from the true knowledge of things like healing plants, (the stuff that's considered "alternative"....natural healing....proper diet....living off the land and working with the ebbs and flows).
Whether we evolved from a big bang, were created by a God,or aliens from another planet, SOMEBODY knows that how we are living is not sustainable....and they are letting/encouraging us to crash and burn.
Every human on this earth needs to eat food, drink water and live in a shelter from the elements.....so why are so many people going without the essentials?
I suppose I believe that there must be some who know how to produce clean energy, replace forestry, and construct a society that respects the need to maintain a healthy earth environment.
If it's not being done....there has to be a reason.
In my mind, TPTB are not the bankers/financiers....they are the select few who hold the ancient knowledge of how/why we came to be. (Maybe I'm truly off in left field, but I really feel that we have been provided with everything that we need to survive/thrive...but somehow the instruction manual has been.....manipulated?)
Unless this whole existence is really just a random evolutional free-for-all.....someone is either studying our existence, or controlling and directing it.
And still I wonder why.
jacygirl



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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I might not believe in OWS,but bravo for publicly trying to change humanity's needs.

This gives me hope that maybe those in OWS have a inkling on changing the world for the good,without political mantra,or can I dare say,old political ideology's.......


S&F
For thinking outside the box........






posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:33 PM
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My friend, you are simply proving your ignorance.

Primary Biological Production has nothing to do with hippy crap, it's a scientifically proven fact of life.

As if you need scientific proof for this notion - but I digress.

I am not urging you to think outside the box, but rather to look inside a very well known box of science and understand that there is nothing in this world, NOTHING, that doesn't depend completely on primary biological production.

If you actually think about it and cannot comprehend it, then there is no hope for you.




Originally posted by Mcupobob
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My plan wasn't to be useful as opinions on forums rarely are. Anyways I read up to here.


The basic, fundamental, undeniable and unavoidable flow of life is primary biological production. Primary production is the ability of plants and certain bacteria to create biological matter without consuming other life forms, to directly transform sunlight, heat, and physical substances from the air and earth into living tissue. Without primary production there can be no life, there can be no food and there can be no economy. Through design of ecosystems we can take advantage of primary production and channel it into ever-evolving webs of natural complexity – creating vibrant health and beauty.


Sounds like metaphysically hippy crap. I.E philosophy disconnected from reality. If I remember my observations of the OWS they haven't brought anything useful to the table to real world problems.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:48 PM
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Aw now you're trying to dehumanizing me, label me a lost ignorant with no thinking outside the box. Anyways, still been reading you're more of you're manifesto, the jest of it is blah blah blah money bad, blah blah blah competition bad, blah blah consumerism.

Yes it is hippy crap disconnected form reality. The reality of human nature has little to do with science or even reason.

You know why we use money? Because barter is unyielded to use when it comes to economics and especially global economics. Now we could argue fiat money, money that has no value, but using object without a determent value in trade? Well I could win that argument drunk.

Anyways the idea of living within means and humanity reaching full potential, and shared resources and a unified world of togetherness and without competing but working together looks awesome on paper in practice. Unfortunately its never been seen or done, because that pesky reality of the world get in the way,



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:51 PM
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Jacy, it's not about being a match for me, since this isn't a competition.

I'd like to open with something Buddha said. He said there's no use for trying to find out where we come from, what/who creates us, why, how, and so on. He said such questions are like being a man on a battlefield, hit by a poisonous arrow, who, instead of quickly searching for an antidote starts asking: who is the man who shot me, what is his name, what is his family's name, what does his family do, who are their ancestors, what were their names, and so on.

That man is surely dead.

So if we take our existence as a fact, than what matters is not the long line of events that lead to that which we call the present, but rather the nature of everything. Our own nature, the nature of the world, you know, the basic stuff that we're made of. You may look at nature, and oceans, and the universe, and cities, and so on, and just see a whole bunch of different things, or you can see a unified process.

Seeing the process leads to understanding, and understanding leads to growth and the ability to think better/live better/design better.

The knowledge of medicine is not lost, the knowledge of nature is not lost, and the knowledge of spiritual cultivation is certainly not lost.

And these men you speak of do not design things so poorly because they are evil geniuses, but because they are evil dummies. There's no such thing as an evil genius. Any example you may point to I would simply, anywhere in history, I would simply call him a dummy who, by happenstance and through comparison to other even bigger dummies, might seem smart, but is certainly not bright. There's no genius in tyrants, no genius in evil nazi doctors, no genius in banksters who fail even with total power.

If anyone in TPTB fully realizes the consequences of their current design practices, they are not developed enough to hold on to that realization. It's one thing to have a flash of something, another thing to be strong enough to hold it in your mind and actually fully understand it and see all its various ramifications.

The explanation is pretty simple - these people are not exactly high, not exactly bright, not exactly developed. If you look at them, you'll see that they are rather stuck, downwards people, the result of generations of selective cultural breeding. I said cultural breeding, I don't care much for crazy conspiracy theories. The kind of cultural breeding that happens through the high-end but inhuman education of the elites (as opposed to the low-end and inhuman education of most everyone else).

So I really doubt these people have the kind of open-mindedness, and the kind of emotional freedom required to see beyond their peers, beyond the whole system they were born in, beyond the advantages they have, but also the shackles they're wearing. Don't think they're not afraid of each other, or that their existence is a crystal-clear bubble.

They are low people born in positions of power.

The essence of mental growth, or spiritual growth, or human growth, however you want to call it, is the practice of true function and virtue in day-to-day life. You can define function in many ways, since it has many levels, but the essence of virtue is simply justice, and courage. From those come other virtues - wisdom, fortitude, temperance, the classical greek values.

But it all starts with a courageous mind of justice. And that is why I think the Occupy movement is fundamentally right, even though it isn't very refined.



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posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Unfortunately,you may be right.

Greed has never been vanquished from human wants.......

It doesnt have to be just money.

Lust,Power,are emotions that drive human beings.



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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I'm sorry, you keep falling into holes, or at least misreading stuff. I don't think you could win any argument drunk, not even with yourself.

You're just randomly adding thought-lines to something that already addressed them. And you're the only one using hippie terms.

Now, to put things into perspective, this isn't about living within means - what is that? And if anyone argues against living within means, they are simply misguided from the start and the discussion is moot.

It's about understanding the true means of production - biological production, human production, social production, mental production - and then designing fully functional societies that non-destructively channel those means into highly productive flows. What is a flow, you may ask. It's a simple term designating the evolution of matter from the biological to the mental, within a society, as it passes through human and social design factors.

Yes, this is your basic hippie crap, I know.

And again, I must tell you to go read up on primary production. It's on wikipedia. And with a third grade thinking level you can miraculously deduce - and this would be miraculous, since most politicians and economist aren't capable of this wondrous feat - that there is no economy without functioning, productive ecosystems, and there are no ecosystems, life, or food, without primary biological production. That's why it's called PRIMARY.

The term economics comes from Greek, and means "rules of the house". But what is the house? Is a house "the house"? Is money the house, is the state, the whole of society? Or is the house the entire biological and mental system we inhabit, of which money is simply an abstract product whose purpose is the easing of design. Design of what?

I'm not gonna teach you about trade and social ties and all that, but it's enough for you to understand that it's all related to, and based on, and LIMITED by primary biological production - hence that is the basis of "the house". Now, if you put money ahead of design, that is, you put it ahead of "the house", of understanding "the house", then eventually you destroy the house, and all the loud-mouthed dummies such as yourself, who like to speak of hippies and winning arguments and being realists, are destroyed when the house is destroyed.


Originally posted by Mcupobob
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Aw now you're trying to dehumanizing me, label me a lost ignorant with no thinking outside the box. Anyways, still been reading you're more of you're manifesto, the jest of it is blah blah blah money bad, blah blah blah competition bad, blah blah consumerism.

Yes it is hippy crap disconnected form reality. The reality of human nature has little to do with science or even reason.

You know why we use money? Because barter is unyielded to use when it comes to economics and especially global economics. Now we could argue fiat money, money that has no value, but using object without a determent value in trade? Well I could win that argument drunk.

Anyways the idea of living within means and humanity reaching full potential, and shared resources and a unified world of togetherness and without competing but working together looks awesome on paper in practice. Unfortunately its never been seen or done, because that pesky reality of the world get in the way,



posted on Nov, 24 2011 @ 08:18 PM
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I'm not the one adding the "hippy crap" which by the way I have no problem with in terms of an ideal, but in terms of human nature and reality, I'm only pulling it from the works you have written. Now instead of addressing the obstacles I have presented in terms of you're manifesto you treat me as an ignorant and insult me. Now have I done that to you? No I treated you as an intellectual equal and simply was trying to engage you in conversation. But from they way you continue with the snide remarks of my intellect I can tell there is nothing to be gain from talking to bushwa self proclaimed free thinker like you.




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