The Presence of Jews in Europe Will End

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics
@JohnnyBGood

The problem is, you lack hindsight, understanding and perspective. You fail to see past Muslims as well, Muslims. Have a look at regions with muslim populations today and you will discover many great and wonderful cultures and civilisations that have had a marked affect on society today.

Including, sometimes overlapping but not all inclusive; The Sumerians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians and Persians just to name a few.

Modern religions all have roots in the ancient ones and have just been distorted from their origin.

Hard to make sense of this babble - but it seems you are trying to suggest that from the ancient cultures that were conquered by Islam - a faint reflection of their accomplishments still shines through, and this somehow reflects well on Islam!!???

And further that the Islam is a distortion of various Pagan beliefs - unbelievable!

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by Unrivaled1

 

Ok .............so what positive things have the post war influx of massive no's of muslims bought to Europe.?

What positive things has the western colonisation and/or imperialism of every continent on earth brought to us (dwellers of the earth) as a collective? Slavery? War? Famine? Disease? Materialism? I can keep going..

Don't worry, as a human it is normal for you to externalise hatred, blame and to avoid honest reflection of yourself.

"Those damn Muslims" is an easier option than self assessment and realisation.

edit on 23/11/11 by Pirateofpsychonautics because: (no reason given)

So rather than acknowledging that there is a dearth of positive contributions made by muslim immigration to the West.

You side step it by asking another question.

Ok - how about Western medicine and technology enabling third world populations to increase many fold.
Or maybe abolishing and policing the worlds (mostly arabic) slave trade

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics
@JohnnyBGood

The problem is, you lack hindsight, understanding and perspective. You fail to see past Muslims as well, Muslims. Have a look at regions with muslim populations today and you will discover many great and wonderful cultures and civilisations that have had a marked affect on society today.

Including, sometimes overlapping but not all inclusive; The Sumerians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians and Persians just to name a few.

Modern religions all have roots in the ancient ones and have just been distorted from their origin.

Hard to make sense of this babble - but it seems you are trying to suggest that from the ancient cultures that were conquered by Islam - a faint reflection of their accomplishments still shines through, and this somehow reflects well on Islam!!???

And further that the Islam is a distortion of various Pagan beliefs - unbelievable!

What I am saying is, you have to look past "the Muslim". Muslims span the globe and are not particular to nor tied to a specific race or country. So when you ask what positive things 'Muslims' have contributed you are asking a very broad question and defining such races, strictly as Muslims is but a blink of an eye snapshot of those various people historically. Failing to see them outside of anything but a Muslim.

Also, "Pagan" is not a specifically descriptive term to any particular religion either.

Paganism is a blanket term used in various contexts to refer to groups who are defined by either their religious beliefs, or in some cases lack thereof. In keeping with this, there is no one universally accepted definition of "paganism", with it being used alternatively to refer to a wide variety of different groups.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
reply to post by Unrivaled1

 

Ok .............so what positive things have the post war influx of massive no's of muslims bought to Europe.?

What positive things has the western colonisation and/or imperialism of every continent on earth brought to us (dwellers of the earth) as a collective? Slavery? War? Famine? Disease? Materialism? I can keep going..

Don't worry, as a human it is normal for you to externalise hatred, blame and to avoid honest reflection of yourself.

"Those damn Muslims" is an easier option than self assessment and realisation.

edit on 23/11/11 by Pirateofpsychonautics because: (no reason given)

So rather than acknowledging that there is a dearth of positive contributions made by muslim immigration to the West.

You side step it by asking another question.

Ok - how about Western medicine and technology enabling third world populations to increase many fold.
Or maybe abolishing and policing the worlds (mostly arabic) slave trade

edit on 23-11-2011 by JohhnyBGood because: (no reason given)

edit on 23-11-2011 by JohhnyBGood because: addition

I was wasn't side stepping anything as you didn't even ask me the question. I'm merely trying to guide you in a direction away from negativity, hatred and bigotry which is ultimately self-destructive.

Let he who is without sin cast th...you know it.

Haha Western Medicine! You're having a laugh aren't ya!? Mate, you are severely disillusioned if you think that Western Medicine is a positive contribution.

You sound like the sand monkey hatin', pro-drug company American stereo-type (stereo-type, not the rest of you wonderful people) that the rest of us in the Western world despise..but you think you're the envy of the world.

reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics


And what exactly do you attribute the exponential increase of third world populations to, during the 'colonial era'?


Come to that you might like to contrast the 'colonial experience' experienced by India at the hands of the Muslim Moguls as compared with that of the British - which one do you think was truly truly evil - hmmm1?

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


You are delusional if you think that the British were there solely for the benefit of India. To be honest, I'm not completely aware of the Islamic occupation and have the humility to admit as such. If your claims are founded and the Islamic occupation was as bad as you indicate, then the British were the less of two evils.

The Western world is a materialistic wasteland, either acknowledge this and accept our unnatural state of being or atleast desist with the hatred of other cultures.

Look, we're not going to change eachothers opinion and I have gotten my point across as you have yours.

I could continue counter-arguing and picking holes in your biased logic but A) I'm at work and B) I'd rather engage in constructive discussion.

I think it is pretty simple. The definition for a Semitic includes Arabs and Palistinian Arabs, and doesn't apply to only Hebrew or Jewish. Folks that take up for the Palistinians can't be called anti-Semitic.

They corrupt the meaning of the word in this religion propaganda region. Such untruthfulness is not unique with this group, but even the corruption for the meaning of Semitic speaks to their dishonesty.

The religion issue there has a simple explanation. The 2nd temple concepts took up the Babylon Talmud issues, which highly connected with the tyrant concepts of Nimrod. Nimrod tried to build a tower to be closest to god, and the Babylon Talmud does about the same thing. Nimrod tried to become so close to God to claim he was god in many senses. In the times Nebuchadnezzar, not much changed in Babylon. They've wondered from the pious issues of the original concepts for religion there.

In Jesus time, the Essenes considered these Babylon Talmud concepts, used by the 2 nd temple, to be perversions of religion. The Babylon Talmud contends the Hebrew is so pious as to be like touching the face of god, which is a Nimrod type expression. The Essene respected the Pre-second temple religion and honored King David. The Essene were the lesser known third Hebrew faction in the Israel area and they were much different than the Sadduccee ad the Pharisee. The Essene had three areas in the Israel region. One near the Dead Sea, another in Jerusalem, and one around the Mt. Carmel / Phonecia area. The Essene did not join in the 2 nd temple's activities, nor even respect them, and they had their own at Mt. Carmel.

The words from the Essene and Jesus were that the 2nd temple was the "Synagog of Satan", and they referred to the "Whore of Babylon" or "Harlot of Babylon" in the context of their reference to the corrupted impure religion. Nothing has changed since. These Babylon Talmud Jewish factions in Israel still hate Jesus and the Essene. The Babylon Talmud types hate the Arab factions. The Arab factions call Jesus a Great Prophet, just not God.

The religion insanity there with the nuclear weapons issues will soon brew up the Armageddon effect and their won't be much left of Israel. The Essene Beliefs were to create a heaven upon the Earth. But the Babylon Talmud types seek eternal wars for power and control over others. As they get found out, They always get put down and there comes a Pogrom, thousands over the millinea, where they are killed, put down and split up.

What the power of the Jewish was in the times of the trading in the Middle East was their literacy and common language. This made Israel powerful in trading. As the 2 nd temple was burned down and the Hebrews scattered to the regions via the Disporia, they still kept this literacy. So, the became the tax collectors and the estate managers and the ones that set up trade routes and handle monies or the equilavalent of money.

The Hebrews knew the power of literacy and they used it to advantage in their capture of religion thoughts. Some thoughts captured were pious good and others were more about self aggradizations and total disrespect of others as ignorant animals. The latter part caused serious problems, as they elevated themselves and left others in squalor.

In Israel today, the game is disenfranchise all but those of the Jewish religion. Judiasm is a religion and not a race, as the Zionists attempt another false relationship or definition. The Khazars were never a Semitic peoples, yet they seemed to be grouped into the Semitic group with the misuse of definations by the Zionists. Judaism is still just a religion, and Zionism is a political game played off some of the concepts of this religion.

If you happen to go to Israel you find out really fast they don't care for Christians or anyone else. They like the tourist money and that is about all. One Jewish person gives a realistic look at Israel here:

www.rense.com...

There is little doubt the Zionist State of Israel's perversion of religion issues cause serious problems and some that extremely endanger and exploit America. The issue is they designed a religion that has hate for others, and what goes around comes around as other discover the problems.

The Russians and Chinese are going to side with Iran and Russia has technicians in Iran for the nuclear projects. So, if Israel should attack Iran, there is almost a certain declaration of war and a nuclear shoot out that'll leave the visions of Revelations in the region from the numbers of dead incinerated people. WWIII will rise from this religious corruption.

If they are going to be this dumb, I don't think anyone needs to help them anymore. Time to call a corrupted religion as a serious problem for the world.

This appears why lots of the Communist Countries pretty much banned religions in order to avoid all these beliefs that favored one faction or another as special. All too often religions cause wars, and very seldom is common sense involved in these contrived nonsense issues for faked up issues that differ from the honest truths.

Please read this link.

It will answer a lot of questions about the globalization and divide and conquer tactics established to create trouble between many, many countries.


www.voltairenet.org...

The Yinon Plan, which is a continuation of British stratagem in the Middle East, is an Israeli strategic plan to ensure Israeli regional superiority. It insists and stipulates that Israel must reconfigure its geo-political environment through the balkanization of the surrounding Arab states into smaller and weaker states.

At the same time, racist ideologies were put forth. The people whose lands were colonized were portrayed as "sub-human," inferior, or soulless. Finally, the "White Man’s burden" of taking on a mission of civilizing the so-called "uncivilized peoples of the world" was used. This cohesive ideological framework was used to portray colonialism as a "just cause." The latter in turn was used to provide legitimacy to the waging of "just wars" as a means to conquering and "civilizing" foreign lands.

I do think, if one considers the bigger plan, it is one to pit the Christians against the Islamic world and pull both down and weaken them both.

You can see this happening in Syria.

The real plan stems from that of Albert Pike and one last great war, the one were everyone figures out just how extinsively they've been had.

Armageddon appears a good model of this Pike Plan, and do remember the Pike's design for Masons has every Mason that gets to the 17th degree swear allegiance to the 2nd temple's concepts. No other relgion is given that respect in Masonry, all others are suppressed.

thecomingepiphany.com...


The Third World War is supposed to be triggered by war between Judaism and Islam and will eventually spread to the whole world. Listen to what Albert Pike said about WWIII:



The third World War must be formented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam and political Zionism mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on the issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity…will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in public view

Look at Matt. 24:4-9:

And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

You cant criticize Israel. You cant criticize someone who's Jewish. You cant even criticize someone who's a radical Jew i.e. Zionist...

reply to post by Pirateofpsychonautics


Western medicine keeps over 25% of the worlds population alive pal
I guess we should just stop though.

Another thing,its not hatred or bigotry that is self destructive but instead its tolerance which is already proving to be a cancer in the western world.

reply to post by rubbertramp


Hmm. what a load of crap. See this thread:

ATS Thread

some antisemites use "anti-zionism" as a mask to hide their true intent. The rest of us, who live in something we call reality, understand that being against a political ideology is NOT racist. Being against a political ideology that not all Jews agree with, nor are all zionists jews, is not antisemitism.

reply to post by Vardoger

“Instead of restless, difficult, creative, funny and smart Jews, Europe has imported Muslims who are generally poorly educated and frequently frustrated, aggressive and destructive.

That's a fine example of racism right there.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Originally posted by Pirateofpsychonautics
@JohnnyBGood

The problem is, you lack hindsight, understanding and perspective. You fail to see past Muslims as well, Muslims. Have a look at regions with muslim populations today and you will discover many great and wonderful cultures and civilisations that have had a marked affect on society today.

Including, sometimes overlapping but not all inclusive; The Sumerians, Egyptians, Mesopotamians and Persians just to name a few.

Modern religions all have roots in the ancient ones and have just been distorted from their origin.

Hard to make sense of this babble - but it seems you are trying to suggest that from the ancient cultures that were conquered by Islam - a faint reflection of their accomplishments still shines through, and this somehow reflects well on Islam!!???

And further that the Islam is a distortion of various Pagan beliefs - unbelievable!

Uhm, actually Islam is from paganism.

Three Daughters of Allah

Pagan Origins of Allah

But this is not an Islam-bashing thread. But, can you give one example in the Quran or in the teachings of Mohammed that says they are to love and embrace the Jews as their neighbors? Can you present one verse from the Quran that says they are to accept the kuffars as equals and not charge them the tax for not being Muslim?

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Originally posted by Viking9019
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

Please just get a clue instead of being stuck in your little world.

Can you provide any evidence or links to prove I am stuck in my little world? Is that just your opinion? Do you not like Anne Frank?

Please provide proof I am stuck in my own little world.

reply to post by WarminIndy

Anti-Semitism is thousands of years old and those doing it today are simply parroting hatred because they really don't have a clue and never actually talk to those people they are conditioned to hate.

Actually those continually applying the antisemite label when it clearly does not apply are the ones simply parroting hatred because they really don't have a clue.

And what exactly does the diary of Anne Frank (legitimate questions as to it's authenticity) have to do with this discussion?

nothing.

It's an age old tactic of attempting to evoke an emotion response so you can easily point out all the "jew haters" out there, and according to logic like yours, that shouldn't take one, every single person on earth EXCEPT jews is apparently an antisemite.

If I was born in 1938 I would have been against Nazism
I was born in this time frame and I am against Zionism. This has nothing to do with "jews". Most of the prominent zionists aren't even Jewish themselves.

reply to post by WarminIndy

But, can you give one example in the Quran or in the teachings of Mohammed that says they are to love and embrace the Jews as their neighbors? Can you present one verse from the Quran that says they are to accept the kuffars as equals and not charge them the tax for not being Muslim?

Better yet, show use Jewish religious texts that teach them to treat their Muslim brothers as they wish to be treated themselves, and actually, that extends over to all us non-jews as a whole.

anyways 3 of you have managed to derail this thread epically. Well done. i'm sure your handlers will be proud, you did a great job of destroying a valid conversation and turn it into a Muslim hating crap fest, while never forgetting to remind us we're all antisemites for stupidly believing all humans are equal.

My flying-spaghetti monster taught me all life is precious and sacred and no person is above another. no power should be held over another unless it is their desire to be controlled. No blood should be spilled as each and every life is precious and a miracle, and each and every one of us deserves an equal chance at a happy life.

Regardless of what lotto number we pulled up in the DNA lottery.

reply to post by WarminIndy

Do you not like Anne Frank?

This discussion has nothing to do with Anne frank, but we clearly see what you are implying, we're all holocaust denying Nazi lovers. Get bent that crap doesn't float in this bowl.

Anne Frank, her diary and her life, have nothing to do with this thread. And nothing to do with Zionism as Zionism was in response to the Nazi atrocities.

Only an idiot would deny the holocaust and the atrocities committed. The only thing in debate, reasonably, is the methods and numbers. the numbers are pure fiction and have been changed several times over the years.

This doesn't change the fact that the NAZI party rose to power brainwashing Germans into thinking they were a superior race and they must rule the entire globe and exterminate all those of "lesser blood". They built up a military, created racist anti-jew policies, attacked their neighbors, invaded, took land and settled it with civilians while claiming it to be a defensive measure.

They made pacts and deals with allies who later, they threw under the bus because they weren't of the right blood.

sound familiar? sure, Israel has stopped short of institutionalized mass murder, but that doesn't mean plenty of prominent Israelis and Rabbis aren't calling for it. In fact, you can go view dozens of images from Gaza and parts of Israel where Palestinians are actually allowed to live, and see some of the graffiti your friendly Israeli settlers leave on the door, usually along the lines of "GAS THE ARABS"

Maybe in your world, simply bringing up Anne Frank would work as a smear against us, but that's because you have a warped view of reality.

Of course that is a powerful story, of course it's a horrible event in human history. But it has nothing to do with anything right now and you know it.