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Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by autowrench
Advanced Capabilities - In addition to the system utility tools from the Unix world, Linux usually comes with the Apache Webserver, an email server, router/firewall capabilities and SQL databases. These are extras costing up to thousands of dollars on Windows. There IS free software to do these jobs on Windows, but it has mostly been adapted from Linux and loses some functionality when ported to Windows.
Not really true, Windows comes with a Web Server (I don't remember if it also has an email server, but there are several free ones), and those extras cost nothing, even if we don't find Windows firewall good enough (and it isn't as good as the best Linux firewalls) we can find free versions. Microsoft also has a free version of SQL Server, limited to 4GB databases, but enough for most cases.
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Windows comes with a Web server.
Originally posted by cartenz
IIS is the server bundled with windows and some CMS softwares dont like it, and will require Apache to be installed anyway.
No need for an MS engineer, do you need an Apache or MySQL engineer to do that job?
and M$SQL is not supported by most CMS software--again you will be required to install MySQL. If you are running a server to host a website (and your not making enough from said site to employ a M$ engineer) then you want a LAMP stack.
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Windows comes with a Web server.
No need for an MS engineer, do you need an Apache or MySQL engineer to do that job?
Originally posted by ArMaP
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Windows comes with a Web server.
Originally posted by cartenz
IIS is the server bundled with windows and some CMS softwares dont like it, and will require Apache to be installed anyway.
No need for an MS engineer, do you need an Apache or MySQL engineer to do that job?
and M$SQL is not supported by most CMS software--again you will be required to install MySQL. If you are running a server to host a website (and your not making enough from said site to employ a M$ engineer) then you want a LAMP stack.
Originally posted by ArMaP
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Windows comes with a Web server.
Originally posted by cartenz
IIS is the server bundled with windows and some CMS softwares dont like it, and will require Apache to be installed anyway.
To be honest, I didn't even saw that question, so I will answer it now.
Originally posted by cartenz
Secondly: You failed to answer my question of "where do your clients come from?"; do you even have a career in the web industry or are you just a mod here, with no other claim to any web development work?
What I was answering to was the statement that "There IS free software to do these jobs on Windows, but it has mostly been adapted from Linux and loses some functionality when ported to Windows." As Windows comes with IIS, regardless of what works with it or not, and IIS is not adapted from Linux, I was only pointing that.
Thirdly:As stated, YES, there is a server bundled with windows, but it DOES NOT WORK WITH MANY CONTENT MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS OOTB (which is what people require in a CMS). People who build web-infrastructure know their industry.
I only questioned what was posted on the article linked in the original post.
People who pedantically question a professional opinion without offering ANY alternative, THEY ARE JUST TROLLS!
The language barrier is real, regardless of what you believe, and no, I'm not grinning.
Dont give me the language barrier BS, you know what Im am saying, I have seen you in argue in the forums before and try hide behind "Io non anglais" but you have just as good, if not better comprehension of English than the rest of us (I know your grinning reading that because you know it true!).
Although the words are in Portuguese, that sentence makes no sense.
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Originally posted by cartenz
I don't have any clients, but the company where I work has several clients, some of those are ministries and one is the Presidency of the Portuguese Republic. All our work involving web servers on those organisations has been done in IIS.
My web development work is mostly for my own use.
only questioned what was posted on the article linked in the original post.
Originally posted by ArMaP
That may be true, but it doesn't change the fact that Windows comes with a Web server.
Originally posted by cartenz
IIS is the server bundled with windows and some CMS softwares dont like it, and will require Apache to be installed anyway.
No need for an MS engineer, do you need an Apache or MySQL engineer to do that job?
and M$SQL is not supported by most CMS software--again you will be required to install MySQL. If you are running a server to host a website (and your not making enough from said site to employ a M$ engineer) then you want a LAMP stack.
The language barrier is real, regardless of what you believe, and no, I'm not grinning.
Dont give me the language barrier BS, you know what Im am saying, I have seen you in argue in the forums before and try hide behind "Io non anglais" but you have just as good, if not better comprehension of English than the rest of us (I know your grinning reading that because you know it true!).
Originally posted by ArMaP
reply to post by autowrench
I thought "scalability" had a different meaning, that looks more like freedom to make copies than scalability.
Scalability - Systems implemented under Linux can be cloned limitless times without paying additional software licensing fees - With Windows, you pay for each installation/workstation/server/cpu.
What's "MOSS"?
Originally posted by cartenz
Exactly, I have worked with MANY government departments, and there WERE reasons that M$ was the first choice of provider. After some time using the M$ stable, the Government here decided they were not getting ROI (return on investment) that they would with the same outlay as they could get with opensource. Hence the switch, and ALL departments gained a greater web presence by switching to an ACCESSIBLE technology... Oh, I forgot to mention accessibility, sorry. MOSS Does not do accessibility.
Why do you say that I refuse to take on anything you said? I only said that I was not talking about the quality or other aspects of the web server bundled with all versions of Windows, I was only talking about the existence of a web server on Windows.
So, Im someone who has worked since the late 1990's doing web, yet you refuse to take on anything I have said--even tho I have put Universities and government departments in functional CMS software (horses for courses!)
Sorry if that was the idea that my post gave you, that was not intention, I don't have any reason to question you (or anyone else) about the quality of products that I never used (Apache) when compared to the only one I know (IIS).
No you questioned me:
I never said I don't speak English, I only said that the language barrier does exist. Most of the time I may understand what other people write and I may write in a way that is easy for other people to understand what I am trying to say, but some times I do not understand what other people are saying or I write things that may be interpreted in a way that is not the one I wanted it to have.
I know you have a bettetr grasp of English than a lot of people on ATS who have Englidh as their first language--dont give me this "I NO SPEAK ENGLISH" rhetoric, you understand me--you might not GET me, but you understand.
Yes, you stated that, and I am trying to tell you that this was not what I was talking about, just that. I was speaking about the existence of a web server on all versions of Windows, not about the quality of that web server.
All I stated was that IIS is an inferior server to Apache (yes this may be my own preferance, but my preference as a professional who has worked web since the 90's, you should take my advice happily because I am not charging you for my time.
No, I was expecting someone to explain that to me, that's why I said that I thought it had a different meaning.
No, you just wheighed in to critisize and try to show you were more knowlageable (scailability point?):
You can consider it what you want, I didn't brought any points to support IIS as not being inferior because that was not what I was talking about and because I cannot compare it with things I do not know.
I stated IIS was inferior, you bought no points to support IIS as not being inferior, you just chose to pick apart my post with NO supporting argument. I consider that TROLLING!
I did? Where?
Im happy to come meet you and discuss this further if you will, since you claim to be a web professional;
I agree, but the situation is not the same in all countries, in Portugal it's still a little difficult to find someone that sees knowledge of Linux as another reason to choose someone for a job in a state-related IT department, one of the reasons being the special agreements Microsoft has with the state. I know that at least in one case, the workers from that institution can use at home the same software they use at work.
Originally posted by Alpensopath
#1: TCO
For this a need some explanations:
#2: Desktop
True.
#3: Server
True.
#4: Security
True, up to a point. Considering what has happened in the past, if Microsoft shipped Windows with more Microsoft products they would probably be forced to remove them, in some aspects Microsoft is somewhat forbidden from doing things that a Linux distribution can do.
#5: Flexibility
Im happy to come meet you and discuss this further if you will, since you claim to be a web professional; Its what I do.
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