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The humanity before the Atlantis

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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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How many civilizations where here on Earth for last million years?Or 10 million years?How many Atlantis?Do they had the H bomb?Do they look like us?Do we look like them?

Is there somewhere in a mine deep buried a railway station a plate thousands of years old with name NEW YORK on it?


Texthis object (shown in sketch) was found in 1898 in a tomb at Saqquara, Egypt and was later dated as having been created near 200 BCE. As airplanes were unknown in the days when it was found, it was thrown into a box marked "wooden bird model" and then stored in the basement of the Cairo museum. It was rediscovered by Dr. Khalil Messiha, who studied models made by ancients. The "discovery" was considered so important by the Egyptian government that a special committee of leading scientists was established to study the object.


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he Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) has eight chapters with diagrams, describing three types of aircraft, including apparatuses that could neither catch on fire nor break. It also mentions 31 essential parts of these vehicles and 16 materials from which they are constructed, which absorb light and heat; for which reason they were considered suitable for the construction of Vimanas. This document has been translated into English and is available by writing the publisher: VYMAANIDASHAASTRA AERONAUTICS by Maharishi Bharadwaaja, translated into English and edited, printed and published by Mr. G. R. Josyer, Mysore, India, 1979 (sorry, no street address). Mr. Josyer is the director of the International Academy of Sanskrit Investigation located in Mysore.


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While mineral hunting in the mountains of California near Olancha during the winter of 1961, Wallace Lane, Virginia Maxey and Mike Mikesell found a rock, among many others, that they thought was a geode - a good addition for their gem shop. Upon cutting it open, however, Mikesell found an object inside that seemed to be made of white porcelain. In the center was a shaft of shiny metal. Experts estimated that, if this was a geode, it should have taken about 500,000 years for this fossil-encrusted nodule to form, yet the object inside was obviously of sophisticated human manufacture. Further investigation revealed that the porcelain was surround by a hexagonal casing, and an x-ray revealed a tiny spring at one end, like a spark plug. There's a bit of controversy around this artifact, as you can imagine. Some contend that the artifact was not inside a geode at all, but encased in hardened clay. The artifact itself has been identified by experts as a 1920s-era Champion spark plug. Unfortunately, the Coso Artifact has gone missing and cannot be thoroughly examined. Is there a natural explanation for it? Or was it found, as the discoverer claimed, inside a geode? If so, how could a 1920s sparkplug get inside a 500,000-year-old rock?




Out-of-Place Metal Objects

Humans were not even around 65 million years ago, never mind people who could work metal. So then how does science explain semi-ovoid metallic tubes dug out of 65-million-year-old Cretaceous chalk in France? In 1885, a block of coal was broken open to find a metal cube obviously worked by intelligent hands. In 1912, employees at an electric plant broke apart a large chunk of coal out of which fell an iron pot! A nail was found embedded in a sandstone block from the Mesozoic Era.


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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:44 AM
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The only problem been that there is pretty much no historical text to suggest such intelligent life before what we consider the beginning of our time as humans, although as seen above we do have advanced relics and some text which suggests the past humanity was more advanced than we gave them credit, Although at the same time most of these artifacts can be explained as "simple" to create



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by TedHodgson
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The only problem been that there is pretty much no historical text to suggest such intelligent life before what we consider the beginning of our time as humans, although as seen above we do have advanced relics and some text which suggests the past humanity was more advanced than we gave them credit, Although at the same time most of these artifacts can be explained as "simple" to create

A coin-like object, from a well boring near Lawn Ridge, Illinois, was found at a depth of about 114 feet below the surface. According to the information supplied by the Illinois State Geological Survey, the deposits containing the coin are between 200,000 and 400,000 years old... who left this coin hundreds of thousands of years before civilized man evolved?

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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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actually, I change my mind
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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:01 AM
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You're assuming dinosaurs didn't use coins.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by TedHodgson
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You're assuming dinosaurs didn't use coins.
Maybe ,only if they were homosaurus rex!



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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To be honest there's no real evidence to suggest that pre-historic lifeforms were not intelligent enough to use such means of basic currency although there is evidence to suggest that some had advanced communication methods, but yeah that's the thing, there's no history from that period, guess well never know, i like to keep my mind open for ever possibility



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:20 AM
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Archaeologists Discover Lost Civilization Under The Melting Arctic
Sheets of ice along the Arctic have continued to melt at alarming rates and with that melting has come a new discovery. Archaeologists at a melt site in Norway have discovered a wealth of items that include weapons and shoes among other everyday items. The find is believed to be from thousands of years ago, well before Vikings roamed the area.

As glaciers continue to melt and ice retreats in areas around the world, archaeologists continue to discover new civilizations. As io9 points out, last summer a 10,000 year-old atlatl (a hunting weapon) was found as ice thawed.
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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:29 AM
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Might be best to put that little bit of Off-site content in an external content box, That said this is interesting however i knew that there was landmass beneath the ice and the chances that somebody had once inhabited the area is pretty great so such a discovery makes perfect sense.

It's also possible that the earth could shift on its axis and America could become the new Antarctica, then 10,000s years later somebody on a conspiracy site forum brings up a link he found showing that the ice is melting and thieve found traces of an advanced civilization underneath that ice



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 09:35 AM
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Yes,sorry about the ex text...

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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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I have a lot of fun thinking about this topic
some of the questions I ask myself and or wonder about are things like ...
why are our oldest monuments so HUGE ?
why would so called Hunter Gathers with primitive tools build such things?
and why are these oldest huge monuments so inhuman,by that I mean why is their purpose for being there so unreadable to us in the present?

here is David Flynn discussing some odd formations he found on google earth
he says that the shamans of Peru say that there have been successive occupations by humans and if you go far enough back in time non humans!



we know that some 'event took place ten thousand years ago that wiped out the Clovis people of the Americas and that extinction was total the native people of the Americas today are not descendents of Clovis people


Chuck Missler talks about some bible passages that refer to a time when the Earth was without form and void
which meant laid waste and lifeless ,and THE CITIES broken and without inhabitant,so who inhabited them?




fun to wonder about!!



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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This is a topic near and dear to me. But I often feel like those of us unwilling to accept consensus on this are beating our heads against a transparent aluminum wall. Though many of us feel there is more than sufficient evidence to merit our cynicism of the mainstream, it seems those in the position to actually shift the historical paradigm aren't willing to to do so for various reasons.

So it would seem the best we can do for now is look at what evidence has been made available to the public, and draw our own conclusions based on ALL of it, and not just what we want to see, or what they want us to believe.

BTW. A somewhat interesting website to peruse is s8int.com. Warning! This site has a heavy christian slant to wade through. So be cautious of the commentary. Still, I have found the site useful in aiding research to some degree.

Also, Michael Cremo's Forbidden Archaeology is food for thought as long as one keeps their critical faculties in place while reading or viewing it.



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 10:48 AM
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Howdy

You'll find lots of threads here on these objects

Saqqara bird, a carving of bird, either a toy or used as weather vane, this was made in historic times so not sure why you included it

Vymaanika Shaastra - fake

Antikythera device - an extraordinary piece of Greek engineering, showing impressive innovation but using the technology and knowledge of of the day

Phaistos disk, a clay disk with designs pressed into it - technologically unimpressive - what it might say has created a lot of speculation, IMHO it was made by a child and kept by a pround parent or grand parent.

etc

The problem with the theory of previous intelligent being creating a civilization is that if they were large enough we would find traces. However if it was very small and their culture was of a type not to create identifiable artifacts we might not find them.....the other parameter of this age the farther you go back the harder it would be to detect them.

Civilizations leave huge footprints in the archaeological record not just single odd items.

Are there any unexplainable artifacts pointing to another civilization? Not in my opinion




Though many of us feel there is more than sufficient evidence to merit our cynicism of the mainstream, it seems those in the position to actually shift the historical paradigm aren't willing to to do so for various reasons


'Those in position', er like who? The scientific community is not a monolithic structure no one person or group make the decisions.
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posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 04:59 PM
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the human history is probably much older looking at the evidence. We're just bound to the limits of the church which are around 6000 years ad onnly recently we started to move that bar =) ... There were many ancient civilizations discovered which were much older then we think but it was supressed or moved since there was "the lack of data". Many artifacts are moved in the category "out of place artifacts" (just google it) and that's it ... and the older the date, the harder it gets to find anything ... even if there was a lot of ancient cities, they were probably (re)inhabited by the incas, egyptians and others so the evidence of the older civilizations dissapeared
... here's an interesting link s8int.com...



posted on Nov, 20 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by baburak
the human history is probably much older looking at the evidence. We're just bound to the limits of the church which are around 6000 years ad onnly recently we started to move that bar =) ... There were many ancient civilizations discovered which were much older then we think but it was supressed or moved since there was "the lack of data". Many artifacts are moved in the category "out of place artifacts" (just google it) and that's it ... and the older the date, the harder it gets to find anything ... even if there was a lot of ancient cities, they were probably (re)inhabited by the incas, egyptians and others so the evidence of the older civilizations dissapeared
... here's an interesting link s8int.com...


Westerners were limited by the 6k barrier but not other cultures but few of these developed an intense interest in the pass as the west did



There were many ancient civilizations discovered which were much older then we think but it was supressed


Such as? Most of the unknown civilizations were found was before we had ways to accuracy date them - so how did a 19th century antiquarian know what he was handling wasn't suppose to be known? lol?

You are using present day knowledge to reflect back on how people were reacting 150 years ago - it doesn't work very well. Additionally who was suppressing what?

Civilizations create lots of stuff;

Example a excavation in Cyprus of a bronze age city in approximately a 40 x 40 meter area we found 2,000 artifacts, from potsherds, to bits of worked bone, shells, stone tools, bits of bronze, etc etc. If one counted the potsherds recovered in the vicinity - each of which is capable of provding an amazing amount of data the number of items would be around 40,000 pieces each one being capable of exposing a new civilization............the Library of Ashurbanipal had 31,000 tablets in it; About 400 pieces of individual Neanderthals have been found. We found the Denisovans based on one, just one small bone.

Civilizations create vast amounts of evidence - and a habitation site is just chock full of interesting stuff

Where is that one Atlantean potsherd?



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 02:29 AM
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TextLocation hypotheses of Atlantis are various proposed real-world settings for the island of Atlantis, (Ἀτλαντὶς νῆσος) a lost civilization mentioned in Plato's dialogues Timaeus and Critias, written about 360 B.C. In these dialogues, a character named Critias claims that an island called Atlantis was swallowed by the sea about 9,200 years previously. This story was passed down to him through his grandfather, Dropides who in turn got it from Solon, the famous Athenian lawmaker who translated it from the Egyptian language. Plato's dialogues locate the island in the Atlantic Pelagos “Atlantic Sea”,[1] "in front of" the Pillars of Hercules (Ηράκλειες Στήλες) and facing a district called modern Gades or Gadira (Gadiron), a location that many modern scholars associate with modern Gibraltar; however various locations have been proposed.
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith
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Yep Atlantis can be found everywhere!
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Originally posted by diamondsmith
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Yep Atlantis can be found everywhere!
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TextThe linking of the ancient Egyptian culture to that of the mythical Atlantis was originally based, to a large extent on the prophesies of Edgar Cayce "The Sleeping Prophet", who predicted that a Hall of Records would be located under the sphinx or in the great pryamid by the year 2000 CE.
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posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by diamondsmith



You might find it useful to compare Madame Blavatsky and Edgar Cayce ideas, in some regards they are similar and it has been suggested that EC was influence by MB and the Theosophy's concepts.



posted on Nov, 21 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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I didn't mean supressed by the government or some other "community" .. i mean there wasn't enough evidence or artifacts so the explorations stopped and everything was dated to the last known civilization in that area (Greeks, Egyptians etc.) .. I'm sure if someone could get access to the artifacts which were found 100+ years ago and tried to figure their age with modern technology, there would be a few surprises. I hope you saw the link in my last post =)



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