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Dan 8:1In the third year of the reign of king Belshazzar a vision appeared unto me, even unto me Daniel, after that which appeared unto me at the first.
Dan 8:2And I saw in a vision; and it came to pass, when I saw, that I was at Shushan in the palace, which is in the province of Elam; and I saw in a vision, and I was by the river of Ulai.
Dan 8:3Then I lifted up mine eyes, and saw, and, behold, there stood before the river a ram which had two horns: and the two horns were high; but one was higher than the other, and the higher came up last.
Dan 8:4I saw the ram pushing westward, and northward, and southward; so that no beasts might stand before him, neither was there any that could deliver out of his hand; but he did according to his will, and became great.
Dan 8:5And as I was considering, behold, an he goat came from the west on the face of the whole earth, and touched not the ground: and the goat had a notable horn between his eyes.
Dan 8:6And he came to the ram that had two horns, which I had seen standing before the river, and ran unto him in the fury of his power.
Dan 8:7And I saw him come close unto the ram, and he was moved with choler against him, and smote the ram, and brake his two horns: and there was no power in the ram to stand before him, but he cast him down to the ground, and stamped upon him: and there was none that could deliver the ram out of his hand.
From H5810; a she goat (as strong), but masculine in plural (which also is used elliptically for goats' hair)
Dan 8:19And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation: for at the time appointed the end shall be.
Dan 8:20The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
Dan 8:21And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Source: www.voanews.com...
Greece is predicting that its budget deficit will decrease sharply next year, even as its economy continues to contract and unemployment increases.
The interim Greek government unveiled its 2012 austerity budget to Parliament Friday. It says the spending plan must be adopted soon for the country to secure an $11 billion installment from last year's international bailout to help it avoid a default.
The bottom line is that oil is not the real problem behind all the conspiracies involving foreign actions on the part of the USA; the real problem is maintaining the viability of the US dollar as the International Reserve Currency.
From H5810; a she goat (as strong), but masculine in plural (which also is used elliptically for goats' hair)
Originally posted by TheRedneck
The bottom line is that the only thing that can prevent this economic collapse now is a sudden 180 degree turn in our societal attitudes toward spending overnight... not likely.
Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Well the rams horns could be Sunni and Shia Islam - whilst the goat coming from the West, covering the whole earth without touching the ground has to be the US.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by JohhnyBGood
Either the angelic interpretation is wrong, or Greece would have to become part of the USA for the goat to symbolize the USA. Also, later on in the book, the angel is very specific about the events to occur after the kingdom of the goat is split into four pieces... and one of those specifics concerns the southern portion, which is specified as being toward "the pleasant land". Israel (as in the original land occupied by the Hebrews, not necessarily the present-day nation) is also referred to in earlier verses as the "land of milk and honey", a very pleasant area indeed.
TheRedneck
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by IAMIAM
It is interesting to note that the vision does not identify which is evil, the ram or the goat. It only specifies their actions. While it is true that pressing into other areas is probably a sign of an "evil empire", it is also true that the angelic interpretation specifies directly that the rough goat is the first king (ruler) of the physical land of modern day Greece.
Dan 8:21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.