6 Things That Occupy Wall Street Has Already Accomplished

reply to post by sonnny1


You have to admit, the bank tranfer/switch to credit union tactic was something wholly OWS and is looking to have been effective.

There have been 650,000 new credit union accounts opened in the last month.
There were only 600,000 credit union accounts opened in the entire year of 2010.
Divided evenly that means 50,000 accounts per month were opened in 2010.
So in the last month 600,000 more accounts were opened than in the same month last year.
That means the 600,000 recently opened were likely in direct response to the bank transfer day and that number could be a fair representation of the amount of bank accounts that were closed/had money removed to transfer.
That means something. That is huge.

Also consider that is 600,000 lifetimes of service charges, fines, and loan interest that the banks are losing. We are talking billions of dollars here.

"This means something.. this is important" - Roy Neary (Richard Dreyfuss)

reply to post by sir_slide


If there non partisan then why are they not attacking are current president. Hes the king of crony capitalism. Obama has solyndra he accepted money from them then pushes through a federal loan. But wait there's more when he finds out there going broke what does he do he allows them to pay off investors over the government waiving the condition of the loan itself and sticking us with the bill. Politicians are corrupt in general. You cant blame a business for taking advantage of there corruption. Bush had Enron and Obama Solyndra same coin different side. This is one of the reasons we need to restrict government not make it larger with more federal programs trying to make it fair. As long as you have a large government there will be no fair the government all ways tries to pick winners and losers.

This is why things will never be fair! The government will always try to put one group over another in the name of fairness its ok with everyone who is in the receiving part. When the government realized it can bribe us with our own money capitalism died!!!!

Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
reply to post by acmpnsfal

 

Have you attended a protest? If you have then you probably met people from all over the political spectrum. OWS is NON PARTISAN. You will find a mixed number of liberal and conservatives.

Op asked not to turn this into a slug fest,so I will be brief.

Wrong.

OWS is not apolitical. I have been to an OWS protest. Peaceful? Yes. . To many recall republican Governor signs to even think that. To many Union members to think it. Mixed in with the Liberals and Conservatives were Socialists,Marxists,Communists,Anarchists.

Those six things that OWS is saying it has accomplished,the Tea Party before them did. Many people have wakened up since 9/11. I see nothing truly accomplished.

edit on 6-11-2011 by sonnny1 because: fix

See while you've BEEN TO one, I've BEEN A PART OF one. I've actively participated in Occupy Atlanta daily, so I would think I have a better grasp on the dynamic than you would.

reply to post by sonnny1

Im sorry Pac,Partisan is what I meant to say. I Will fix it... Apolitical though? No way. Their wasn't many Ron Paul signs,a few at my rally,but not many.....Yes I actually did ask a bunch. It wasnt too different then a Tea Party Rally,except you didnt have to ask what someones view was when they had a I am a socialist sign,or Recall the Governor signs.

So you saw signs that said "embrace socialism" or something like that? I have a hard time believing that. The Ron Paul signs, I've seen plenty of, but not a single socialism sign at occupy kc. But I do know that there have been some socialists seen in some occupy marches endorsing it, however like I've said many times, the goals of the majority of the protesters is not to install a socialist government.

Ron Paul however does agree with many of the protesters complaints, primarily auditing the Fed.

I found 3 like minded individuals. I actually asked questions like "what do you plan to accomplish?" How can we change this? Most wanted JOBS. That was what I heard the most.

I can't argue with you there, lots of people talk about jobs where I'm at. But can you blame them? Millions of people can't find jobs, so I can see how that would be a concern about people who have lost their homes or who can barely feed their kids. I think it's safe to say that almost everybody there is against the corruption in our government, and want to get rid of that.

You said "most" wanted jobs, so that means 2 of the 3 you talked to. I'm curious, what did the other person say? And when you say "like minded", what specifically do you mean by that?

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by sonnny1

 

You have to admit, the bank tranfer/switch to credit union tactic was something wholly OWS and is looking to have been effective.

There have been 650,000 new credit union accounts opened in the last month.
There were only 600,000 credit union accounts opened in the entire year of 2010.
Divided evenly that means 50,000 accounts per month were opened in 2010.
So in the last month 600,000 more accounts were opened than in the same month last year.
That means something. That is huge.

Star for ya!

Yes,that is a positive,but prior to that MANY have been switching over.Heck,I did it 4 months ago. Look,NOBODY likes banks. The Tea Party wants to End The Fed,Biggest crooked Bank in the World.
I will say thats a positive step in the right Direction though,Vic. I also have stated when Occupy DC is ready to ask for those on Capital Hill,for their resignations,The President,or they start sleeping on the FEDS door in DC,you will have me,and alot of other people down there. Till then,its still confusion. Plus OWS needs a SPOKESMAN. Not Anonymous..........

reply to post by TupacShakur


I have yet to see any socialism signs at any of the three rallies around here. I have however seen anti-Obama signs, and (though no signs) a lot of pro-Paul attitude and opinions.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Yeah, that argument that it's a bunch of communists or socialists really falls apart when you actually go to an occupy protest and learn what the people there are upset about for yourself.

Seeing three images on the internet of people holding socialist/communist signs might be somewhat convincing at first glance, but when one considers that there are tens of thousands of people taking part, that's really just a drop in the bucket. And a bucket of water with a few drops of urine in it is still drinkable.

Originally posted by TupacShakur


You said "most" wanted jobs, so that means 2 of the 3 you talked to. I'm curious, what did the other person say? And when you say "like minded", what specifically do you mean by that?

edit on 6-11-2011 by TupacShakur because:

Nope Pac,20-25 people wanted Jobs. I talked to about that many as we marched. Most were inner city youth. The like minded folks actually had Ron Paul placards,and I find that to be like minded. I had no sign,but tended to stay away from those with the recall signs. Peaceful,but I sure as hell wasn't there to agitate,more to observe. Yeah,folks are angry,and the inner city youth have NO chance at getting jobs. None. I asked a couple of 20 somethings if they ever hear of Ron Paul,Big NO to that........

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

1.) This movement has only made me feel even more alone. I am not rich, nowhere near rich, but I certainly will not ever agree that capitalism is the source of everybody's problem, especially since capitalism does not exist and has not ever since I have been born and long before that. The grossly regulated market stupidly called a "free" market is not anything near capitalism, but this increasingly arrogant "movement" insists that I am no longer alone.

It's not capitalism that most of the OWS'ers are against. It's crooked cronyism and a rigged system designed to make the rich richer, the poor poorer and the middle class go away.

I am neither liberal nor conservative - I'm one of the independents everyone talks about. I am not rich either, but I make a decent 6 figure income and I am employed. I am one of the dwindling middle class...and it shocks me to see so many of my fellow middle classers getting hammered by the idiots at the top of the political and financial pyramids.

And I am with the OWS'ers. If they accomplish nothing more than begin to wake people up to the gross unfairness in our system and the way our constitutional rights have been trampled into the ground since 9/11 - they will have accomplished an AWFUL lot.

reply to post by sonnny1

Nope Pac,20-25 people wanted Jobs. I talked to about that many as we marched. Most were inner city youth. The like minded folks actually had Ron Paul placards,and I find that to be like minded. I had no sign,but tended to stay away from those with the recall signs. Peaceful,but I sure as hell wasn't there to agitate,more to observe. Yeah,folks are angry,and the inner city youth have NO chance at getting jobs. None. I asked a couple of 20 somethings if they ever hear of Ron Paul,Big NO to that.......

I'm sorry to hear that. At occupy kc, every conversation yields the mutual agreement that our government has been corruped. This isn't just with the dozens of protesters I've discussed this with, but the majority of the pedestrians/passerby's that I speak to as well. Jobs are definitely something that people would like to see popping up, but.....no s*** lol.

So are you telling me that out of those 20-25 people, not a single one of them mentioned corruption? Nobody talked about the banker bailout, and the business practices that wrecked the economy? No mention of the Federal Reseve? Just "jobs jobs jobs"?

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine


See while you've BEEN TO one, I've BEEN A PART OF one. I've actively participated in Occupy Atlanta daily, so I would think I have a better grasp on the dynamic than you would.

You asked me if I attended one,I said yes.Now your better then me because you are at them daily ?

Come on man. Most who have said anything negatively about OWS,hasn't made an attempt! I might not believe in it,but I do support the freedom to do it.

reply to post by sonnny1


Well.. I hope you educated them on about RP. That is what some of the OWS movements are missing. Reasonable conservatives sharing their point of view. It is a bipartisan/no partisan movement. The MSM is just doing it's best to keep conservatives from joining, so you get a lot of left and no right. Then the right sees that and thinks it's engineered that way on purpose so their absence extends.

MSM still has that strangle hold on some of America.

Originally posted by TupacShakur


So are you telling me that out of those 20-25 people, not a single one of them mentioned corruption? Nobody talked about the banker bailout, and the business practices that wrecked the economy? No mention of the Federal Reseve? Just "jobs jobs jobs"?

Not one thing about the Fed.......Seriously. Corruption yes,but that's a give in. You have to understand the inner city. Unemployment is like 20-23% Even worse for the youth. I wanted to see what the talk was from their point of view. Being mixed,I can ask questions that some might not want to,without the fear of offending. Jobs Pac,they are begging for them. T&C with some of the stuff we talked about.

reply to post by dragonridr


Is Obama demonstrably worse than the last 15 jackasses we've had in the oval office? Not really. All things being the same, will he stand out from the next 15 jackasses we put in there? Again, probably not. He's just a jug-eared mook who happens to be the one feeding at the trough this time around.

The same can be said of pretty much any politician. Which is why - with the notable exception of Scott Walker - OWS isn't really bothering addressing any particular politicians or parties. it's a moot point to do so. (Gov. Walker gets to be an exception because Wisconsinites really do hate him something terrible )

The thing is, the politicians are a symptom of an illness. They are corrupt because there is corruption to be taken. Do away with that, and there becomes hope for improvement.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by sonnny1

 

Well.. I hope you educated them on about RP. That is what some of the OWS movements are missing. Reasonable conservatives sharing their point of view. It is a bipartisan/no partisan movement. The MSM is just doing it's best to keep conservatives from joining, so you get a lot of left and no right. Then the right sees that and thinks it's engineered that way on purpose so their absence extends.

MSM still has that strangle hold on some of America.

I plan on printing some RP material up actually Vic. I should have had it on me actually. Might attempt to try another round. Would love to see ALL OF AMERICA vote RP.

reply to post by sonnny1

Not one thing about the Fed.......Seriously. Corruption yes,but that's a give in. You have to understand the inner city. Unemployment is like 20-23% Even worse for the youth. I wanted to see what the talk was from their point of view. Being mixed,I can ask questions that some might not want to,without the fear of offending. Jobs Pac,they are begging for them.

With unemployment being 20-23%, I am not really suprised that many of them talked about jobs. And would you say that corruption was discussed as much as, less than, or more than jobs?

I think people talk about the Fed more at occupy kc because we're camped directly across from it on the other side of the street

Originally posted by TupacShakur
With unemployment being 20-23%, I am not really suprised that many of them talked about jobs. And would you say that corruption was discussed as much as, less than, or more than jobs?

I think people talk about the Fed more at occupy kc because we're camped directly across from it on the other side of the street

It was talked about. Make no mistake,I wasn't surprised on how intelligent the youth are. Corruption was more served at Governor Walkers direction. Same goes for those in their Union Blues. Jobs was the focal point. We marched on the Banks also,stopped. Some folks talked about the banks. Heck,they couldnt talk about Walker enough. Thats what made me feel it was not apolitical. Greed and corruption 50% ,50% Jobs,and wages. Not to mention the law about felons not getting hired.

reply to post by TheWalkingFox



Thats mostly my point OWS wants more government to make things fair. Doesnt matter what politicians are in charge. As long as the government continues to run every facet of our lives there will always be winners and losers. If OWS wants to make a real point they need to put politicians on notice that Americans will no longer tolerate business as usual. Instead they are allowing themselves to be used by unions and the left to further there agenda.

People need to wake up you have OWS on the left Tea party on the right and people like me just get screwed no matter which direction we go. This isn't the revolution we need this is just a circus show to further entrench people and separate us. This separation is intended to remove are real power the power to make sure our interests are looked out for. If things dont change soon there wont be a United States. Government was restricted on purpose by the founding fathers. They knew that a government without restrictions would become corrupt. The constitution was meant to reign in the government. Instead we have had several decades of politicians trying to figure ways around are founding document. Fasten your seat belts were in for a bumpy ride and i dont think were going to like were it ends.

I don't see why we can't put a lot of the label oriented thinking aside and get together on what we agree on. Socialist, liberal, conservative, republican, democrat, these labels only serve to divide us and keep us arguing between each other so that no proper conclusions or agreements can really be made.

It is this kind of thinking that is really making this issue far more complicated that it needs to be in my opinion. Obviously the media has been spinning this in a very negative way in order to discredit the entire thing, this is typical and should be pretty obvious to people, especially people on here who should be well aware of the tactics used by the people who hold the power to keep us uninformed and numb. I have been to the protests in my own city as I have mentioned on here many times and I found the mix of people to be great, we should all be getting together to discuss the things we agree on and acting on them together, putting this divided way of thinking completely behind us.

reply to post by dragonridr


You seem to be another if these "everything and the kitchen sinks" sort of posters. Really, it's okay to just do one thing

OWS doesn't necessarily want "more government." It wants effective government. It wants good government. Does this mean an increase in size? probably not so much. See, we have a weird sort of thing where certain sections of our government - mainly the parts that have guns and bombs - are morbidly obese and overfed, while those functions of the government that actually serve the people - such as say, education or infrastructure - are very definitely too small to be effective for anything.

Basically, it's an argument to put the citizens of this nation first in the eyes of our, AHEM, representative government.

And I dunno how to break this to you, but "unions" and "the left" are present in OWS because, well... Unions are made of people, as is the left. These people are generally of a mind that supports things like OWS. As I've had to explain to more than a few posters here, just because these are your personal bugbears and causes for terror, doesn't mean that we have any need to disavow or avoid them.

As for the constitution? I kind of wish more people would read it and understand it as a legal, rather than religious document. It's pretty far from perfect, and is definitely showing its age. Hell, the voting system it came up with is why we have a one-point-five party system in the first place... and it's like that for the same reason we drive on the right side of the road - because it wasn't "British." That's right. "Winner take all" elections is the 18th century equivalent of "freedom fries."

Thankfully, those wig-wearing blokes had at least enough foresight to come up with an amendment system and the idea of a judicial branch.